City and PSG have been spending hundreds of millions for the last few years, but what have they really won during the last 5 years. OK, PSG are winning the league in their own country because of the standard of the league, but have not come close in Europe, City have not done much either. They won the league once and a couple of cups in the last 5 years, but not even close in Europe. I think coaching has a lot to do with them running away with the league this year rather than just spending. It's hard to believe, but Leicester and to and extent Chelsea have shown that you can win with quality coaching without having to spend like City and PSG. Surely Wenger can compete with Leicester City if not Chelsea.No matter how much money we have we cannot compete with state owned teams. They can pay for the players of the absolute highest caliber, we are talking about hundreds of millions on one player which was never the way a few years ago. Arsenal or other teams cannot pay such kind of money. No matte rhow much they make in commercial, TV etc.
Teams like Manchester City are out of this world and you know it.
If Wenger actually was arsed to find out what the Arsenal fanbase thinks about the Sanchez sale to United, he would find that they are not as charitable as he is about the fact he is moving to United instead of City. In fact (1) a lot of them actually prefered him to go to City over United.I agree with Wenger, & remember his comments during the Sanchez swap. He said we were a well run club & had no objection to us paying the colossal wages to Sanchez as we made the money to be able to do this. What he objected to were clubs who paid fortunes above what they were making, & paying for it with money from outside. He didn't mention names, but it was clear it was the likes of Man City & Chelsea.
To be fair even Spur's cannot be arsed to compete with Arsenal over transfer.Ask teams like Burnley, Brighton and Bournemouth what it feels like to compete against teams like Arsenal and Spurs for transfers.
With the revenues they make and the shareholders they have, I am pretty sure they could have afforded all 3 players you list if they where arsed to do so. However what I would say on the point about youth players is that even when he was good at developing players (2) like Henry, Vieira and RvP, the Academy under his watch has been pretty poor at developing first team Arsenal players thoughout his time at the club. In fact I would even go as far as say that the only players have suceeded out that academy are Ashley Cole (who ended up at Chelsea soon enough), Harry Kane (who of course ended up at Spurs) and Jack Wilshere.Yes, there is a problem with transfer fees, but Wenger needs to stop b!tching at every opportunity and spend some of that cash reserve that they keep boasting about, and give some chances to his talented youth players. Apart from Pogba, Lukaku and Van Dijk, Arsenal could have competed for any players signed by the top 6 teams but he chose not to.
That would only be possible with a European Super League, which for all its faults would be hugely competitive so long as the TV deal (for such a league) was more in the tradition of the Premier League than lets say La Liga.City can be challenged by 5-6 clubs so what's your dream? A dream of seeing 20 clubs capable to be champions? Or, is it just an ever-lasting pleasure to put the blame on others?
Which goes to show how hypocritical about how certain clubs are about the emergence of City and PSG as major clubs as I stated in an earlier post on the subject:How many Champions Leagues trophies has City won since the UAE runs the club?
Well to be fair, it did kind of help enable Real Madrid and Barcelona to monopolise the Champions League (1) while City's progress as a club certainly slowed (although not stopped) because of the trasnfers we were unable to do thanks to this policy.
Which goes to show that for all the fears about the "oil clubs" monopolising the European game (2), it is the Spainish giants that have done exactly that instead and thus any attempt to provide proper competition to these clubs should if anything be welcomed. Not only because of the amount of additional broadcasting/commerical revenue it would bring, it would also mean that the Champions League would be more entertaining and appealing than it currently is for fans in general.
(1) And thus European Football as a whole, I mean when you look at the last 9 Champions League Seasons, 6 of them have been won by Real or Barcelona and at least 2 of them (Inter in 2010, Chelsea 2012) only won the Champions League after getting past Barcelona though the skin of their teeth.
(2) If the fears and issues of both PSG and City monopolising the European game (and in City's case the English game) where actually true, then they would have signed endless world class players from their European rivals (including Real, Barcelona, Jueventus, Bayern, United and Chelsea), won mutiple Quadruples, monopolise the Champions League since the early 2010s and in City's case, win the League and Domestic Cups over the previous 5 seasons. But the fact is that they have not even though their owners have the financial resources to enable them to do so.
Well City can certainly afford to have 22 (or even 33) of the best players in the world on paper, the reality is that so long as we continue to obey rather than challenge (or get around) FFP, City will find it very diffcult if not impossible to succeed in doing so.Also, City can't buy all the universe (they can't have more than 20 top players in theory) and can only field 11 players on the pitch. So, there are enough talents for every club.
Unless City is going to £400-600 million in the next 2 transfer windows to get the strength in depth we need (to enable us to have 2 World Class XI's in our squad at least), I highly doubt that we are going to be dominating the league (certainly not Europe) over the next few seasons. I mean at the very least one could easily see United spend equally as much next season as well.City hasn't officially won yet.
Besides the last 2 years we had chelsea and leicester. So it's too early to say anything about domination. A great season for city. Let's see if they can replicate it next year
Agreed! For better or worse it is much harder for any ambitious club to rise to the top then it was the case even in the 1990s, I mean one has to look at the possible future of Tottenham's squad (or what has happened to the Monaco squad of 2016-2017) to see what I mean. Likewise I would also point out that the more competition (state/billionaire backed or not) there is to the established clubs, the more they have to up their game and raise their standards. Which to me is no bad thing...On the flip side though, the oil clubs have added an element of unpredictability and a challenge to the established order. Otherwise it would have been infinitely more difficult for anyone to challenge United/Madrid/Barca etc. because growing organically or “the right way” is all good and well but it takes a lot of time. And theres no guarantee of success because you keep losing your best players and managers. Rinse repeat. Pros and cons
For me I would be happy enough if neither Real Madrid nor Barcelona win the Champions League this season, they have been far too dominant for far too long in this competition.I just want Barcelona-Real Madrid-Bayern-Atletico Madrid-Juventus-Chelsea not to reach the final of the Champions League this season.
Technically it is largely owned by the Russian Billionaire Dmitry Rybolovlev (or rather his daughter) with the Government (or rather Royal Family) of Monaco, both of wholm can be described as pretty wealthy in their own right, so they can easily afford to spend as much as the likes of United, City, Real, Barcelona and PSG. The reason they don't is largely due to their lack of interest in bypassing FFP (I would say that they club that was screwed the most by this boneheaded policy more than anyone else) and the fact Rybolovlev got himself involved in a messy divorce case soon after buying the club.State. Doesn’t matter, the point is they are a club that cannot compete with the elite financially (they could for a couple years when hey decided to dope of course), but still performed at elite level with cheaper purchases and local talent.
And? What point are you trying to make?If Wenger actually was arsed to find out what the Arsenal fanbase thinks about the Sanchez sale to United, he would find that they are not as charitable as he is about the fact he is moving to United instead of City. In fact (1) a lot of them actually prefered him to go to City over United.
Wrong, evolution of football in the last 2 decades show exactly the opposite.I just think world class managers don't really exist today.
They spend because they have to win, and in modern football you don't have time to ask for more time or you are out. Beside that you can't compare the 2, Guardiola already improved at least 2 players from last season, Otamendi or Sterling, but he has to spend, because it is part of the business.Mou and Pep need to spend a ton of money before their managerial ability can start to show itself, they bring in new players regularly to combat poor player form or even injury with mixed results.
I have a lot of respect for SAF, but even in these current days he wouldn't believe that, the game simply changed, probably you will never more see managers like Wenger or Ferguson more than 20 years at a club, the amount of money involved doesn't allow that to happen.I'd give SAF a good chance with the spurs team of mounting a serious challenge year in year out
He was basically implying (for whatever reasons he had) that he perfered to see Sanchez join United rather than City. What I am trying to say is from what I have seen, many Arsenal fans take a very different view to him on this matter.And? What point are you trying to make?
To be fair, I would not have called the City Squad of 2015-2016 as "strong", not when it could not even beat Leicester City to the title (and let not forget, barely make Top 4). Rather I would call it a squad which needed a lot of rebuilding just to maintain the position we where in, let along progress to the next level. When you combine it with the way transfer fees (1) have risen of late it is no surprise City spent £578 million on 19 players both in that season and under Pep's 2 seasons at the club.I think this is his issue. The spending of the sugar daddy clubs has been silly for a good few years but the last 2 seasons it seems to have gone into overdrive, adding to already strong squads. With Guardiola spending £400m+ with City (on top of the £1bn+ spent since 2008) and PSG recently signing Neymar and Mbappe.
From the perpective of a City fan, I saw it (and still see) as a way of keeping clubs City down below the established clubs more than anything else. If anything it is clubs like Chelsea and City (and the spending they have both done) that have leveled the playing field for those competiting for the League Title more than anything else.FFP was supposed to level the playing field but these clubs now know how to work around that.
For me (and this is something all clubs, agents, sponsors and agents need to take collective responsibility for, including my own club), what is more ridiculous is how the transfer fees of all players (as paid by many clubs including the major ones such as my own) have become in recent seasons. That to me is the real issue above all else.Luckily for United we currently have the potential to compete with the spending due to our income. But even then looking at the total spend of state backed clubs is ridiculous.
To be fair, what has really pushed them out of a regular Top 4 slot was the revival of Spurs as a major force in the League after both Chelsea and City pushed them down the league table. Although if any team has to complain about being kicked out of a regular Top 4 slot more than anyone else, it Liverpool more than the Arsenal.No wonder Arsène is calling this out, it has impacted him and Arsenal a lot. Pushing them down at least 2 positions with Chelsea and City moving into top 4 over recent years.
A self-defeating one: if City had been long-time rivals of Arsenal, AFC fans would doubtless feel very differently about their players signing for City. As it is, it must be easier to be blasé about the above, given that City's near-irrelevance (until recently) hasn't negatively affected Arsenal.And? What point are you trying to make?
Jonathan Wilson likes to bash everything related with capitalism, truth of the matter before the oil clubs you had the old order, in the 90's before the Bosman ruling you had Serie A clubs dominating owned by billionaire presidents, Olympique Marseille by Bernard Tapie, AC Milan by Berlusconi, the difference is freedom of movement between players, also money coming from Russian billionaires, then Arabs and later China, there is a lot of hipocrisy around the subject.Spurs have done everything right: if they cannot succeed, who can?
If football is not merely to be the propaganda wing of petro-inflated billionaires, Tottenham must be the model – yet they face Liverpool on Sunday with their position precarious:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...mauricio-pochettino-model-club-cannot-succeed
Which one? City have only won twice since the takeover ahead of United and Liverpool in 2nd place.Oil money no definitely ruining football.
If city never got taken over, United would have at least 1 more title, Liverpool probably one (OK no consolation for us, but for neutrals), Tottenham maybe.
All bigger and more passionate clubs who create more headlines and interest than city
Well yes but that is spread amongst 20 teams not two. Some of the money should be filtered down but that is never going to happen.Would you use that argument for the PL, the league has a monopoly on TV broadcasting and the rest gets substantially less?
I'm not being facetious, I do wonder if people see the problem.
What? The TV rights of the PL aren't shared with other leagues, the same way the TV rights for Barcelona and Madrid weren't shared with other clubs, it's the same logic. The PL like every other leagues negotiate individually the broadcasting rights and the broadcasters pay more for the product that will garner more advertisement interest. Barcelona and Madrid used to sell their own rights and logically Real Madrid would sell them at a significantly higher price than Valencia.Well yes but that is spread amongst 20 teams not two. Some of the money should be filtered down but that is never going to happen.
Surely the Premier League is a fairer system? Could you imagine how much money Manchester United would earn from selling their TV rights on their own compared to say Bournemouth? The gap between the top 4 to the rest would be significantly greater than it already is.What? The TV rights of the PL aren't shared with other leagues, the same way the TV rights for Barcelona and Madrid weren't shared with other clubs, it's the same logic. The PL like every other leagues negotiate individually the broadcasting rights and the broadcasters pay more for the product that will garner more advertisement interest. Barcelona and Madrid used to sell their own rights and logically Real Madrid would sell them at a significantly higher price than Valencia.
That's not my question. I asked about the difference between leagues revenues.Surely the Premier League is a fairer system? Could you imagine how much money Manchester United would earn from selling their TV rights on their own compared to say Bournemouth? The gap between the top 4 to the rest would be significantly greater than it already is.
It’s a very valid point. It’s like when people moan about players wages but the reality is nearly half of their salary is tax. The amount of money the government generates from a thriving Premier League must be substainal.NEW CASE STUDY: QATAR, NEYMAR, SOUTHAMPTON AND KIEV...
STEP 1: Qatar acquired Neymar for more than 220 millions of euros
---- > Barcelona received around 220 millions
---- > The Brazilian club Santos received 9 millions because he was trained by them (UEFA rule: 4%)
STEP 2: Barcelona spent the money
---- > Barcelona decided to acquire Dembélé (Dortmund: 105 + bonus of 40=160) and Coutinho (Liverpool: 120+40)
STEP 3: Dortmund and Liverpool spend the money
---- > Liverpool decided to rebalance the team and acquired Van Dijk (Southampton) for 85 m.
---- > Dortmund acquired Yarmolenko (Kiev) for 30 millions to replace Dembele: the idea is to create value as usual. Dortmund will continue to make smart acquisition over a long period of time.
AS OF TODAY, WHAT HAS BECOME THE MONEY?
---- > Diverse clubs were financed by the investor Qatar at the end of the process as follows:
1. Southampton: 85 millions of euros
2. Dortmund: 75 millions of euros
3. Liverpool: 35 millions of euros
4. Kiev: 30 millions of euros
5. Santos: 9 millions
Some of these clubs would acquire new promising players, finance equipment facilities, pay dividends for the shareholders, have a stronger Balance Sheet... Everything isn't black... Inflation doesn't make everybody unhappy after all....
All the parties involved will also have to pay taxes, which finance States...
You know why Qatar is the welcome in France because they inject money in the economy...
Other clubs have also got 2 quality players for each position (or try to) maybe City way out in front is more to do with they've got the best manager and acquired the right players for what they need?Totally agree with him. Look at City, they've got 2 quality players for each position. Over the course of the season you'd expect a team to overcome different challenges, some posed by opponents, some posed by the schedule and some due to injuries. City have eliminated all these hiccups by building two separate teams - right now they have Silva, Sane and Mendy missing. If Arsenal had that number of first team players missing we'd be in a relegation fight. And moreover, whats the point of football if a team can just play real life fantasy football to win the title. Arsenal have Wilshere, Iwobi, Ramsey and Bellerin in their team who've been with the club since very early in their youth. These players embody the Arsenal way and when you root for them you feel like you're rooting for the team and not the players. What's the feeling when you get a bunch of expensive players managed by an equally expensive manager and then win things. Even Utd, which can match City financially try to bring through youth like Rashford, what is the point of City.
And for those that are pointing out that Tottenham are ahead of us, they're missing the point. Wenger isn't really talking about Arsenal and their position as a top club, he's pointing to the widening chasm between the top most team and the chasing pack caused due to financial doping. I mean I'm having a hard time see anyone challenge them over the next 2 years if they continue playing at the level they're playing now. Its okay if you use external agencies to give you a leg up so that you can compete with the big boys, provided you then let the club operate under their own steam. But to continuously invest in an entity till the competition just gives up in frustration is almost tremendously frustrating to those others who're expected to compete with you with much smaller resources at your disposal.
If only transfers did filter down like you're suggesting.NEW CASE STUDY: QATAR, NEYMAR, SOUTHAMPTON AND KIEV...
STEP 1: Qatar acquired Neymar for more than 220 millions of euros
---- > Barcelona received around 220 millions
---- > The Brazilian club Santos received 9 millions because he was trained by them (UEFA rule: 4%)
STEP 2: Barcelona spent the money
---- > Barcelona decided to acquire Dembélé (Dortmund: 105 + bonus of 40=160) and Coutinho (Liverpool: 120+40)
STEP 3: Dortmund and Liverpool spend the money
---- > Liverpool decided to rebalance the team and acquired Van Dijk (Southampton) for 85 m.
---- > Dortmund acquired Yarmolenko (Kiev) for 30 millions to replace Dembele: the idea is to create value as usual. Dortmund will continue to make smart acquisition over a long period of time.
AS OF TODAY, WHAT HAS BECOME THE MONEY?
---- > Diverse clubs were financed by the investor Qatar at the end of the process as follows:
1. Southampton: 85 millions of euros
2. Dortmund: 75 millions of euros
3. Liverpool: 35 millions of euros
4. Kiev: 30 millions of euros
5. Santos: 9 millions
Some of these clubs would acquire new promising players, finance equipment facilities, pay dividends for the shareholders, have a stronger Balance Sheet... Everything isn't black... Inflation doesn't make everybody unhappy after all....
All the parties involved will also have to pay taxes, which finance States...
You know why Qatar is the welcome in France because they inject money in the economy...
This money is the problem for the Bundesliga. Bayern is the only club in Germany which can (kind of) compete in the market. In a normal market, other Bundesliga teams would still be able to buy some decent players. But now, with the market beeing crazy as feck, they can't buy any good players, even decent german talents are leaving the league for more money now, which makes its even easier for Bayern to dominate the league as much as they do right now because no one is able to compete. Bayern never dominated the league as much as they do right now. There were always some competitors before.Wenger is right, although in Spain and Germany Madrid / Barcelona / Bayern are usually winners, even before the boom of money in football.
It is enough to form a rebel completition to ursurp the Champions League though (1), especially since I doubt the domestic league's would be stupid enough to do such a move because...What legal grounds do they have to challenge UEFA?
How many clubs do you really think would want to breakaway?
PSG, City, United, Barca, Real and Bayern is not enough to form a super league.
The thing is though (assuming the Domestic League's don't kick them out in solidarity with UEFA), if City and United left the Premier League (2), that would result in a reduction in broadcasting revenue for the remaining clubs in the Premier League (especially if United leave, thanks to their large fanbase/viewership) at a time when revenue growth will likely slow or even fall in future rounds of sales. Not only would it affect the finances of the remain clubs (and reduce their profits), but it would also main that many of their most talented players would end up wanting to leave though a combination of imposed salary cuts and a desire to football at the highest level for whatever reasons they have in mind.I can't see a single club outside those 6 (even Chelsea now that Roman is not spunking hundreds of millions) ever supporting a breakaway super league like you mention. A lot less revenue in that model as well from broadcast as you drastically reduce the amount of games that could be sold for TV.
No incentives there outside the richest 6 or so and even though I don't see it as viable.
Who says they have to? In fact considering how all the teams in such a ESL would be on a more level playing field with each other than even in the case of the Premier League (let alone in the likes of La Liga). I would say that their chances of actually winning the League would have improved somewhat (at the very least) due to being on a much stronger financial footing (3) than what is currently the case.No club is going want to go from the 3rd-4th in their domestic league to 16th in a super league they have no chance of winning.
Largely because the Domestic Leagues and (especially) UEFA have given concession after concession towards the big clubs. Hence why the Premier League came about and why the European Cup first became the Champions League and then expanded the number of places given to clubs in the main domestic leagues of Europe.Its why the super league idea never happened even though its been talked about for 30 years.
We are already at that stage at the this moment in time (in fact worse) with Real Madrid and Barcelona winning 6 out of the last 9 Champions League titles (4).Sure wage caps present challenges but 10 years of just the richest 3-4 clubs in the world winning the CL
There is a far more effective way of achieving that, scrap FFP.and the public will be wanting something to incentivize more competition.
Perhaps they cannot challenge the wage cap directly, but they can however withdraw from the Champions League and Europa League (competitions which UEFA financially rely on) and involve the competition autorities if UEFA retaliates against such a breakway competition.UEFA is its own organization. It can easily set a wage cap limit and I guarantee the "big clubs" have zero grounds to challenge it in court. It doesn't legally tell clubs what to spend. It simply gives a wage limit to enter the competition. They are free to not enter.
Of course they would, however what no fan would ever welcome is increased competition though the weakening of their own team. Likewise there are few if any fans that want European Club Football to go down the road of the "American" league model either, which is essential for such a cap to be suceessful.I think this very far off base. Maybe a handful of fans at PSG, City, Real or United might complain a little on the internet because their club can't spunk hundreds of millions in one window but it wouldn't make much difference long term as most fans actually welcome increased competition.
You seem to think that City and PSG have shared the Champions League title between them over the last 10 years or so. The fact it is Real and Barcelona (to a lesser extent Bayern) which have shared it between them during that time while in contrast PSG have yet to get past the QF's under the Qataris while City have only got past the R16 once under the ownership of the Al Nahyans.The way things are going, people are going to get bored if its just PSG and City with occasional "underdogs" like Real, United and Bayern winning.
One does not have to support the concept of a European Super League to see that if such a league is formed, they will have to end up joining it or face the risk of being left behind.The idea that any club outside the richest 6 would want to breakaway is just pure fantasy.
It does and oh boy does UEFA know this, that is why they have made concession after concession over the Champions League.The economics don't work out at all for a super league which is why no one really thinks its viable outside some random internet fans
You don't if you are mearly replacing the Champions League, if on the other hand you are also replacing the Domestic Leagues as well then yes you are going to need more teams, which should not be too hard because...You would need at least 16 clubs to form a breakaway league. Good luck trying to convince any outside the top 6. Arsenal, Liverpool, Dortmund, Atletico?
Well tough (assuming you are correct of course, which I doubt), because the only other option is being financially ruined by said clubs and having your squad raided by said clubs.They would never join a super league just to become bottom table fodder for the sugar daddy clubs.
Wenger, Fiszman, the Bracewell-Smith's and and the Hill-Wood's should have perhaps have listened to (rather than sack) David Dein and thus backed his attempts to get addtional investment into the club (to keep the playing side strong while paying for the new stadium) in response to the rise of teams such as Chelsea. Had they done so they would not be in the sorry position they are now despite the wealth the club itself generates (as well as the wealth of its owners).Wenger/Arsenal sacrificed alot to pay for their new stadium, and now should be reaping the benefits, but find themselves a long way behind after all this unlimited financial backing of lower ranking clubs has screwed the market.
If FFP was not in place then perhaps you be correct, however so long as it is in place and so long as PSG and City continue to not properly challenge it then the siutation you describe is pretty much untrue when one looks at the facts on the ground, or for that matter the all-time list of the highest trasnfers in football:No matter how much money we have we cannot compete with state owned teams. They can pay for the players of the absolute highest caliber, we are talking about hundreds of millions on one player which was never the way a few years ago. Arsenal or other teams cannot pay such kind of money. No matte rhow much they make in commercial, TV etc.
Teams like Manchester City are out of this world and you know it.
For the record it does not include the Laporte and Aubameyang Transfers, but by and large the point still stands. As does an earlier point I made about how Arsenal can compete with these state owned clubs, FFP or no FFP:To be fair, for all the money both City and PSG have spent in recent years. The likes of Barcelona, Real Madrid and United have not exactly struggled to compete with both those "oil" clubs over the last few years or so. I mean when you look at the Top 25 transfer fees (1) of all time, only 4 of them where done by PSG (2) while City only did 2 of them (3). In contrast Real have done 6 deals (4), Barcelona have done 5 deals (5), United have done 3 deals (6) and Chelsea have done 2 deals.
Long story short, while transfer fees are far, far too high. It does not mean that the "established" clubs are struggling to match the sort of transfer spending that City and PSG have been doing of late.
(1) For the record I am counting the Mbappe trasnfer as a done deal, even if it technically is not the case.
(2) Cavani, Di María, Neymar and Mbappe. Although to be fair the last 2 are the 2 most expensive of all time (though it also shows it is only this season that PSG have been willing to go the levels the Spanish giants have been willing to reach).
(3) Sterling and KDB, although both Walker and Mendy do come pretty close to the Top 25.
(4) Figo, Kaka, Zidane, Rodríguez, Ronaldo and Bale.
(5) Ibrahimović, Suárez, Neymar, O.Dembele and Coutinho. Of which the last 2 were done this season.
(6) Di María, Lukaku and Pogba.
(7) Torres and Mortata
(1) And for the record, I would love City to do exactly that but since they are continuing to follow FFP like a boy scout, that is not going to happen any time soon.Let's put some perspective here, Arsenal makes more revenue (just about) then PSG even when you take account of the Qatari sponsorship which backs the latter club (and even the Emirati sponsorship too), in fact only the big 2 Manchester Clubs, the El Classico and Bayern make more than they do. Likewise they have a majority shareholder who is part of what is the richest non-royal families in the world and another shareholder who is one of the richest people in Russia. So the fact they claim they cannot financially keep up with the likes of Real, Barcelona and the Manchester clubs over a decade after the Emirates opened (1) says a lot about why he and Kroenke need to get out of that club.
(1) In fact Wenger recently claimed that "financial constants" imposed by the banks to financed that stadium is the reason why they cannot "afford" to spend any more money on transfers/wages. A excuse that is as bad as the sort Ty (of ArsenalFanTV) would come up with.
Everton are higher up than I'd have thought, Arsenal as well. Maybe Wenger doesn't like money since he doesn't really know what to do with it.Thrown in some of the high tier European Clubs. Real Madrid... wow.
Net Spend in last 4 Seasons:
Manchester City...................-602.98m €
Manchester United...............-490.74m €
Paris Saint-Germain.............-363.80m €
Barcelona...........................-278.37m €
AC Milan............................-241.87m €
Arsenal..............................-208.52m €
Everton..............................-178.86m €
Bayern Munich.....................-162.35m €
RB Leipzig...........................-152.11m €
Watford..............................-148.98m €
Crystal Palace......................-147.66m €
Inter Milan..........................-138.10m €
Leicester.............................-129.81m €
Juventus.............................-117.80m €
Newcastle...........................-112.84m €
West Brom..........................-112.63m €
Bournemouth......................-105.08m €
West Ham...........................-100.78m €
Stoke.................................-85.73m €
Liverpool.............................-83.81m €
Chelsea...............................-77.46m €
Brighton..............................-77.38m €
Atletico Madrid......................-72.76m €
Napoli..................................-68.47m €
Burnley................................-47.77m €
Huddersfield.........................-40.75m €
Tottenham............................-38.44m €
Bayer Leverkusen..................-12.26m €
Olympique Marseille...............+5.45m €
AS Roma..............................+7.01m €
Swansea..............................+13.27m €
Real Madrid..........................+13.35m €
Olympique Lyon.....................+40.00m €
Sevilla..................................+65.75m €
Southampton........................+67.64m €
Borussia Dortmund................+82.96m €
AS Monaco............................+171.66m €
If you remove Neymar deal 222 millions, PSG and Crystal Palace are in the same bracket.Thrown in some of the high tier European Clubs. Real Madrid... wow.
Net Spend in last 4 Seasons:
Manchester City...................-602.98m €
Manchester United...............-490.74m €
Paris Saint-Germain.............-363.80m €
Barcelona...........................-278.37m €
AC Milan............................-241.87m €
Arsenal..............................-208.52m €
Everton..............................-178.86m €
Bayern Munich.....................-162.35m €
RB Leipzig...........................-152.11m €
Watford..............................-148.98m €
Crystal Palace......................-147.66m €
Inter Milan..........................-138.10m €
Leicester.............................-129.81m €
Juventus.............................-117.80m €
Newcastle...........................-112.84m €
West Brom..........................-112.63m €
Bournemouth......................-105.08m €
West Ham...........................-100.78m €
Stoke.................................-85.73m €
Liverpool.............................-83.81m €
Chelsea...............................-77.46m €
Brighton..............................-77.38m €
Atletico Madrid......................-72.76m €
Napoli..................................-68.47m €
Burnley................................-47.77m €
Huddersfield.........................-40.75m €
Tottenham............................-38.44m €
Bayer Leverkusen..................-12.26m €
Olympique Marseille...............+5.45m €
AS Roma..............................+7.01m €
Swansea..............................+13.27m €
Real Madrid..........................+13.35m €
Olympique Lyon.....................+40.00m €
Sevilla..................................+65.75m €
Southampton........................+67.64m €
Borussia Dortmund................+82.96m €
AS Monaco............................+171.66m €
Which puts into perspective the people complaining about PSG in the summer doesn't it?If you remove Neymar deal 222 millions, PSG and Crystal Palace are in the same bracket.
Conclusion: If Crystal Palace or Watford had signed Neymar, they would have "destroyed the competition" LOL
Barcelona have outspent Real for years now. In any case there haven't been many challengers for the La Liga for a while. Atlético got one, Valencia won it twice at the beginning of the century but that's the only 3 titles this century that haven't gone to Real or Barca.What is he talking about?
City are walking it because of Pep and the Prem had 4 different champions in the past 4 seasons.
Barca is walking it because of its golden generation still, competing against an even richer club.
Juve are a traditional club and have risen from the second division not that long ago with very shrewd businesses (getting Pirlo and Pogba for free then selling him back for 100 million).
Bayern are the most well-run club in the world and aren't throwing money around at all, rest of Bundesliga is just incompetent.
Only PSG is destroying the French league but no one cares about the French league anyway.
Not sure why you posting in euros for English clubs but in any case you are way off the mark with those figures for NET spend over the last 4 years for both City and United. 7 years maybe. Checking on the transferleague site, City's NET spend for the last 7 years is c£566m and United c£525mil.Net Spend in last 4 Seasons:
Manchester City...................-602.98m €
Manchester United...............-490.74m €
Arsenal..............................-208.52m €
Everton..............................-178.86m €
Watford..............................-148.98m €
Crystal Palace......................-147.66m €
Leicester.............................-129.81m €
Newcastle...........................-112.84m €
West Brom..........................-112.63m €
Bournemouth......................-105.08m €
West Ham...........................-100.78m €
Stoke.................................-85.73m €
Liverpool.............................-83.81m €
Chelsea...............................-77.46m €
Brighton..............................-77.38m €
Burnley................................-47.77m €
Huddersfield.........................-40.75m €
Tottenham............................-38.44m €
Swansea..............................+13.27m €
Southampton........................+67.64m €
This puts into content Wengers and Contes recent quotes.