They use both. It’s whatever the department signs the contract for.I believe police officers use 45’s and not 9mm
Randi Weingarten, president of the American Federation of Teachers union said in a statement: “Anyone who wants guns in schools has no understanding of what goes on inside them – or worse, doesn’t care.”
Ok, here in my town they use 45’sThey use both. It’s whatever the department signs the contract for.
Some us 45ACP, some use 9mm, the most common might still be 40S&W. Really makes no difference none are a match for a .223. And of course he knew what sort of weapon the shooter had. Anyone that goes to the range can tell the difference just by the noise. Plus there were probably empty casing lying around.So he knew a guy was inside the school with a rifle? I believe police officers use 45’s and not 9mm
We basically aren’t allowed to unionize in SC.[union stuff]
It reads like satire.I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading these days:
White House indicates it could find funds to train and arm 1 million teachers ~
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/trump-proposal-teachers-guns-schools
Are you sure his training tell him to engage an assault rifle with a handgun? Sounds a bit suicidal to me unless you are Rambo.Dude... the School Resource Officers are real cops. They are County sheriff’s department deputies.
It doesn’t matter what seems unrealistic to you, I know for a fact exactly what they are trained to do.
Our military will resort to an M-9 if and when necessary, a LEO should be willing to do the same. Perhaps this LEO didn't have the mental fortitude to carry out his oath to serve and protect. Some will react as if he/she is Rambo, perhaps save the day or die valiantly, while others will display their true nature - cowardice in the most severe judgment, or perhaps unwillingness to risk life and limb in the nicer judgment. That teen had no qualms protecting his classmates nor did the coach - they were unarmed as well.Are you sure his training tell him to engage an assault rifle with a handgun? Sounds a bit suicidal to me unless you are Rambo.
In close quarters a rifle is not a match for a handgun because aiming is more difficulty, when i was in service we had a guy armed with a shotgun with buck shells in front of us.Are you sure his training tell him to engage an assault rifle with a handgun? Sounds a bit suicidal to me unless you are Rambo.
Yes. I’m pretty damn sure. I’ve been with them at the training.Are you sure his training tell him to engage an assault rifle with a handgun? Sounds a bit suicidal to me unless you are Rambo.
If that is true, I question the Australia SWAT team weapon of choice here:In close quarters a rifle is not a match for a handgun because aiming is more difficulty, when i was in service we had a guy armed with a shotgun with buck shells in front of us.
So what is his chance of success?Yes. I’m pretty damn sure. I’ve been with them at the training.
Higher than that of the unarmed kids he’s there to protect.So what is his chance of success?
So what is his chance of success?
I guess when you give him a handgun to engage an assault rifle, you might as well sign his death warrant? Unless you think you have trained him to be one of the heroes in the movies?
That means, he is inadequately armed and trained to do the job? Why does he only given a handgun when most mass shooters come with assault rifles and bombs? Is he provided with bullet proof vest as well? I question the system that send people to their death.Why do you think he was armed and on campus? His job is to engage a shooter and I very much doubt his training told him to only engage threats that he was sure to win against.
Out of curiosity, when you were doing his training, did you not think that his handgun is inadequate to deal with mass shooting and terrorism? Did you give him sufficient tools to allow him to achieve his goal of protecting the innocents without dying?Higher than that of the unarmed kids he’s there to protect.
The standard issued firearm for an American police officer is a sidearm.That means, he is inadequately armed and trained to do the job? Why does he only given a handgun when most mass shooters come with assault rifles and bombs? Is he provided with bullet proof vest as well? I question the system that send people to their death.
I thought we have learnt lessons from the Somme battles and Gallipoli.
I’m not the sheriff’s department. I didn’t select his EDC equipment.Out of curiosity, when you were doing his training, did you not think that his handgun is inadequate to deal with mass shooting and terrorism? Did you give him sufficient tools to allow him to achieve his goal of protecting the innocents without dying?
The reality is assault rifle is a common threat. Of the many mass shooting so far, most of them are with assault rifles. Lets face it, no one armed with only a pistol can kill a lot of people.I’m not the sheriff’s department. I didn’t select his EDC equipment.
And I’m pretty sure anyone would love to go +1 on whatever threat they are facing. The reality is though that a school resource officer currently doesn’t have that ability if the shooter is armed with an AR or AK.
And also just to exaggerate the situation a bit more, if the sheriff department only issue him a baton and nothing else, you will be like, yeah no problem, we will train him to overcome an assault rifle situation. Or would you say to the department, sorry, but you need to provide better equipment as that is insufficient?I’m not the sheriff’s department. I didn’t select his EDC equipment.
And I’m pretty sure anyone would love to go +1 on whatever threat they are facing. The reality is though that a school resource officer currently doesn’t have that ability if the shooter is armed with an AR or AK.
Just to exaggerate the situation...?And also just to exaggerate the situation a bit more, if the sheriff department only issue him a baton and nothing else, you will be like, yeah no problem, we will train him to overcome an assault rifle situation. Or would you say to the department, sorry, but you need to provide better equipment as that is insufficient?
Surely when you run training simulations you know that it is almost futile going head on against assault rifle with a sidearm?
FYI - The VT shooter used a Glock 19 and a Walther P22 to kill 33 people.The reality is assault rifle is a common threat. Of the many mass shooting so far, most of them are with assault rifles. Lets face it, no one armed with only a pistol can kill a lot of people.
However, with that knowledge, but still proceed to give them handguns and expecting them to perform miracles is, how do you say, negligent?
So you think his sidearm is adequate in this situation then I am assuming?Just to exaggerate the situation...?
Okay. Let’s say they issue flowers to the cops then.
Do you know what all an SRO’s job entails?
No, but I understand why the sidearm is the primary weapon he is assigned because I know what all his job entails.So you think his sidearm is adequate in this situation then I am assuming?
Pardon my ignorance on what his training entails, but from what you are implying, it seems that his training would have showed him how to successfully deal with an assault rifle threat with his sidearm?No, but I understand why the sidearm is the primary weapon he is assigned because I know what all his job entails.
Either way, his pistol being adequate in a ranged gunfight against a rifle is irrelevant to the point that the SRO at Marjory Douglas did not follow his training during the shooting.
I will say this though... I don’t recall a single time where a school shooter engaged the lesser armed police in a gun battle. They always surrender or commit suicide when confronted by them. They are cowards, after all.
I honestly cannot believe what I'm reading these days:
White House indicates it could find funds to train and arm 1 million teachers ~
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/22/trump-proposal-teachers-guns-schools
Dear every elected official,
Nowhere in my contract does it state that if the need arises, I have to shield students from gunfire with my own body. If it did, I wouldn't have signed it. I love my job. I love my students. I am also a mother with 2 amazing daughters. I am a wife of a wonderful man. I have a dog that I adore. I don't want to die defending other people's children; I want to teach kindness and responsibility...and Art History. That's what I am supposed to do each day.
Blocking bullets? I am not supposed to do that. I imagine that if someone was trying to kill my students, that I would try to save them with all my being. I probably would jump on top of a child to save her life. And yes, I might be one of those heroic teachers that the media writes tributes to after their death. But I am furious that I would have to make this sacrifice. I am incensed that my own children would lose their mother because I chose to be a teacher.
I chose to be a teacher knowing that on most days I would not be able to use the bathroom until 4 pm. I chose teaching knowing that I would be grading papers all weekend and working far beyond the hours of my contract. I chose to teach even though it meant that I would miss every awards assembly and field trip that my daughters asked me to attend. I even signed up to sit in a counselor's office with a teenager on my lap, holding her as she sobbed through an anxiety attack. I signed up to ask a child if they were considering committing suicide and then relaying this terrifying information to a parent. It seems like a lot to agree to, but truly I knew what I was getting into. I did not sign up to be ripped apart by a spray of bullets that came from a semi-automatic rifle.
At the end of my teaching contract, it says that I will perform "other duties to be assigned". I do not interpret these words "as bleeding to death on the floor of my classroom". The anger that courses through my body after a school shooting in this country is accompanied by pure panic. I am terrified of my own children dying in school, first and foremost, but I am also terrified that the responsibility that sits on my shoulders as a teacher is far greater than I can rationally accept.
On Back to School Night, I look out at the gazes of the parents in front of me as we silently make a pact. "I am giving you the most precious part of me with the knowledge that you will shield my child's body with your own when the need arises." They say this with their eyes. I agree to this responsibility and make a silent unbreakable oath before them. As I am telling them about the 20,000 years of global art history that I will be teaching their child, I am also agreeing to die.
When I am in the parent's place at my daughter's school, I am asking the same of her teacher. This teacher may end up being the only thing blocking a bullet aimed for my daughter's head.
I am furious. How dare you force me to choose between my own children and those that I teach. How dare you allow powerful adults who love guns to be more important than a generation of children growing up in fear. I don't want to spend mornings memorizing my children's clothing so I can identify them later. I don't want to spend professional development hours learning how to save a few more lives by setting up barricades. Sometimes when a kid is driving me crazy in class I think to myself: "Would I die for you? Would I lose everything to save you from harm?" I have my moments when I shake my head NO.
Instead of making dead teachers into saints, make them safer when they are still alive. Make it possible for schools to have smaller class sizes so that we can get to know our students and look out for the ones who need help. Hire more counselors and school nurses and social workers and psychologists so that many people are caring for each child. HELP us prevent this. Take away guns from people who will murder us. Stop taking money from the NRA and proving how soulless you are. Keep us safe so I can do my job. How dare you put me into constant danger so that you can be reelected. How dare you make me choose between saving children or making my own children motherless. How dare you make me into a hero when I just want to teach.
By Rebecca Berlin Field
It’s difficult, not impossible.Pardon my ignorance on what his training entails, but from what you are implying, it seems that his training would have showed him how to successfully deal with an assault rifle threat with his sidearm?
Fantastic letter. Thank you.An open letter to American politicians from an Art History teacher in Virginia. I know it is lengthy, but it sums up the situation teachers are in better than anything else I’ve seen.
I understand teachers that want to arm themselves, no one should fear for heir Life, but it shouldn't be the remedy to the problem but a security measure until a solution is found. I'm shocked at what's going on in the US... Who the hell will ever want to be a teacher in the future, trigger happy commandos?An open letter to American politicians from an Art History teacher in Virginia. I know it is lengthy, but it sums up the situation teachers are in better than anything else I’ve seen.
That was great
Engage someone with an AR-15 with a handgun?The officer at that school did not follow his training whatsoever. They absolutely are expected in that situation to engage the active shooter.
I’ve been through the training with our county sheriff’s dept at our school and have the luxury of having many conversations about the topic with our SRO, as he’s part of my coaching staff. He’s disgusted by the news that that officer stayed outside.
Chances are when bullets are whizzing through like crazy and at its high rate of discharge, the chances are yes.Why though? As a professional you should have all the advantages bar firepower. Another question comes to mind: Did the officer know about the weaponry of that shooter?
