Agreed Big Sam is effective and Everton are likely guaranteed safety now this season so they can plan ahead for Dyche/Rodgers or whoever they go for.
Alan Pardew in at West Brom. | Now out
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Ground breaking stuff. Trust lower table premier league teams to think outside of the box with these appointments.
He’s usually good in the short term.
He just ends up becoming a massive twat and it all falls apart. If it’s short term, it may well be the right move for all parties.
He just ends up becoming a massive twat and it all falls apart. If it’s short term, it may well be the right move for all parties.
Such a gold mind for these managers. He is easily getting a million for all these jobs.
Nothing new, but it’s all a bit mad isn’t it?
Aye. What's more damning though is that if clubs showed the kind of foresight that Southampton and Watford do, they'd save themselves time and money, all whilst minimising the disruption to the first team.
Don't get me wrong, United are as guilty as anyone when it comes to giving the incumbent manager carte blanche, but we're much better placed to absorb the kind of financial losses and staff disruption that comes with such an approach. Very few other clubs are.
Pardew, Hodgson, Allardyce and Moyes will, in all probability, depart their new clubs before their current contract ends - leaving said clubs with ten of millions of pounds worth of surplus players. And they still won't think to do things differently.
Who makes the list?
- Sam Allardyce
- David Moyes
- Alan Pardew
- Roy Hodgson
- Tony Pulis
- Mark Hughes
Pardiola is back. He'll do a good job there for a couple of seasons before getting sacked.
He'll do well for 25 games. Then terribly for the next 25.
Can't remember the exact stat, but his points-per-game ratio drops off alarmingly after around 50 games. He's amazingly consistent in that regard.
He probably will do initially well, and likely a relief to the players to be able to play some football following Pulis. Will have enough to keep them up this season I would think.
I can't stand Pardew, but can see why he's got the job. He does at least try and play football, something West Brom fans have been starved off through the Pulis reign.He'll come in and probably give them an immediate boost, win a few games and keep them safe. Not sure long term if he's the answer though
Are you refering to De Boer as the 'modern option'? De Boer is just simply a shit coach. They come in all nationalities. He isn't 'modern' just because he's a foreigner, or Dutch, you know, though it's interesting that the English do seem to regard themselves as backwards by default.
Dude you don't have to take everything literally. I know what kind of coach De Boer is, I had the misfortune of watching his Inter team.
Allardyce is somehow massively overrated. His record is very similar to average coaches like Pardew but for some reason he's rated as a level above the rest of the dross.
Comparing Allardyce and Pardew's records:
Allardyce
Promotion to Premier League (play-offs) with Bolton and West Ham
League Cup runner-up with Bolton
Highest finish: 6th with Bolton
Average Premier League finish: 11th
PL win percentage: 33.8%
PL points per game: 1.28
Pardew
Promotion to Premier League (play-offs) with West Ham
FA Cup runner-up with West Ham and Crystal Palace
Highest finish: 5th with Newcastle
Average Premier League finish: 12th
PL win percentage: 35.8%
PL points per game: 1.28
It's almost identical.
I'm not having that; look at the contexts.
Could Pardew have saved Sunderland or Crystal Palace in the situation they were in, kept Blackburn established or taken Bolton to Europe and regularly pissed off Wenger in the process?
Allardyce is ahead of Pardew as a Manager.
Allardyce at Everton, Pardew at West Brom, Moyes at West Ham? Merson is about to bust the biggest nut.
Blackburn had been established for years before Allardyce came along (under such mediocre coaches as Souness and Hughes). They probably would’ve continued ticking along just fine under a Pulis or Pardew if they didn’t make a joke appointment like Steve Kean.
There’s not that much of a difference between Bolton finishing sixth and Newcastle finishing fifth. Both were pretty average sides that overachieved. Of course Bolton is a smaller club, but under Mike Ashley, Newcastle have always had a small club budget and playing staff. Let’s not forgot that Allardyce was a huge flop there in his first job after Bolton.
Palace were 18th when Pardew took over and finished 10th. Compared to 17th when Allardyce took over, finishing 14th. The difference between them is marginal.
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You have conveniently missed off the fact hes kept teams in the premier league and some have even gone down after hes left them. He gets his players playing for him whereas theres a reason pardew gets sacked from jobs 2 seasons in
To be fair, they went for de Boer, Koeman, Bilic and then had to change it midway through a season. Got to play it safe and then re-evaluate at the end of the season.
I think they will all survive.... Actually Maybe Westham are the ones that might go.
Like Newcastle did after Pardew was sacked, you mean?
His former clubs appointing Kean and Moyes to replace him doesn’t make Allardyce a miracle worker, it just makes him a coach who isn’t a complete disaster like the guys who were chosen to replace him. Hughes and Souness did as well/better than him at Blackburn, O’Neill, Di Canio, Poyet and Advocaat had all done almost identical jobs at Sunderland, Palace were established having previously been kept up by Pulis and Pardew, and even West Ham improved under Bilić until the stadium move. Allardyce has essentially done a “par” job everywhere he’s been since Bolton. He’s a safe option, but definitely an unambitious one. Average coach aside from the job he did at Bolton.
The same newcastle where the players stopped playing for him and became disillusioned under his management just like southampton and crystal palace were.
Allardyce got bolton promoted and got them into europe but aside from that hes an average coach? Ok. Why didnt pardew get west ham into europe too?
You mentioned sunderland managers who've done identical jobs at sunderland yet those same managers left for underperforming and having bad results. Go figure.
Yes, in the same way that Moyes is a below average coach despite doing an above average job at Everton a few years ago.
Pardew did qualify West Ham for the UEFA Cup. They lost to Palermo in the first round in 2006. The comparison between Bolton under Allardyce and West Ham under Pardew is kind of flawed because there are much higher expectations at the latter. Bolton’s first two seasons after promotion were relegation battles before they started achieving top half finishes, whereas when West Ham were in a relegation battle in their second, Pardew was sacked despite finishing 9th and reaching the FA Cup final in the first year. Allardyce would’ve been out the door at West Ham too if he managed 17th and 16th place finishes after promotion.
So other coaches got sacked after keeping Sunderland up? Doesn’t that suggest that keeping Sunderland up isn’t actually much of an achievement?
This is annoying because I hate defending Alan Pardew. But he and Allardyce really are quite a similar kind of average.
His managerial cycle is almost identical to Pulis, so it's absolutely no surprise.
Pardew often comes in, solidifies the team, even has a spell of playing some good football and earning a lot of praise. He's tipped to build on that in the coming season and maybe push the top 8, then in the next season or so he reverts back to a dogged and defensive style of grinding football until the results start to wain, the fans start to hate him and both the club and manager move on. They've both managed Palace and they've both lost FA Cup finals to Manchester clubs. They might even be the same person, with the only notable difference being that one of them is an immeasurably bigger knobhead than the other. The dancing one, obviously.
Premier League managerial recruitment often appears to be done via a real-life FM-like database of managers, sorted by reputation and then filtered on unemployed. The man at the top of the list gets the job, and the cycle keeps going around. Pulis gets the next PL job. It'll probably be Swansea. Clement to Stoke. Rafa can't buy a win at Newcastle, they might get Hughes in, and repeat forever.
Pardew often comes in, solidifies the team, even has a spell of playing some good football and earning a lot of praise. He's tipped to build on that in the coming season and maybe push the top 8, then in the next season or so he reverts back to a dogged and defensive style of grinding football until the results start to wain, the fans start to hate him and both the club and manager move on. They've both managed Palace and they've both lost FA Cup finals to Manchester clubs. They might even be the same person, with the only notable difference being that one of them is an immeasurably bigger knobhead than the other. The dancing one, obviously.
Premier League managerial recruitment often appears to be done via a real-life FM-like database of managers, sorted by reputation and then filtered on unemployed. The man at the top of the list gets the job, and the cycle keeps going around. Pulis gets the next PL job. It'll probably be Swansea. Clement to Stoke. Rafa can't buy a win at Newcastle, they might get Hughes in, and repeat forever.
Says it all.
To be fair, it’s been like that in Serie A since at least the ‘90s. I remember half the league being full of “fixers” who would just rotate jobs outside of the sette sorelle.
Keys is the epitome of this.Having listened to fans like yourself and distinctly recalling a suicidal True Geordie during the arse end of Pards' Newcastle tenure I'd say I'd trust you lot to appraise him over the likes of Keys.
And Blackburn after Allardyce?
Sunderland after Allardyce?
Palace?
The Newcastle and Bolton are nowhere near similar; not then and not today. I think you're miles off.
Difference between them is very wide and I don't mean Allardyce's girth.
Well this hasn't gone well. At leaset they managed a point off Arsenal.
To be fair I've watched them quite a few times, and they have played well. They struggle to score though. They need to buy in January.
Playing well is great but they need points. They certainly need more creativity and a goal scorer.
Not an easy job. Don't think Pardew is great he is a very average manager. Although up front they surely don't have much quality. A winger or a quality striker would help them a lot. The defense is decent, but the rest of the team is not better than any other sides in the league.
Will be tricky for them to stay up, but a lot of teams down and like Newcastle did show a few wins against other bottom teams could be enough to get into better ground.
Will be tricky for them to stay up, but a lot of teams down and like Newcastle did show a few wins against other bottom teams could be enough to get into better ground.
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Love that the players are turning on this dancing twat.
Terrible and pointless appointment. Should be sacked as they are going down anyway.
I noted in his early post match interviews when he was talking positively about what West Brom had done he'd use 'we' and 'us' but when he was being critical he'd talk about 'they' and 'the players'. I'm sure he'll fire up such rhetoric again to pave the way for his Moyesian 'I am indeed still brilliant but came into a shit-tip' excuse.
I'm not saying for moment they didn't have problems before Pards arrived but a senior player in Brunt feeling he has to stand up for the club in defiance of his manager speaks volumes.
I'm not saying for moment they didn't have problems before Pards arrived but a senior player in Brunt feeling he has to stand up for the club in defiance of his manager speaks volumes.
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Oh well that's what clubs get for consistently hiring these 'safe' kinds of managers instead of looking outside the box.
Sacking Pulis was probably the right decision, but the replacing with Pardew thing? Nope. Not even a little bit clever.
They're in real danger of getting cut adrift from the rest if they don't start winning matches quickly. I really can't see them staying up.
I don't even think they're the worst team in the league, possibly not even second or third worst. I look at their squad though and there's just no real quality in there. A few journeyman, a few that have past their best and the rest are just crap. If they do go down I don't think they'll come back.
I don't even think they're the worst team in the league, possibly not even second or third worst. I look at their squad though and there's just no real quality in there. A few journeyman, a few that have past their best and the rest are just crap. If they do go down I don't think they'll come back.
I think the thought process behind it was they were so bored with the mind numbing football that Pulis was serving up. They thought by bringing in someone like Pardew that they could implement a more attractive style of play. Easier said than done. That's why the likes of Big Sam, Woy continue to get jobs. The football's not great to watch but effective.