FrenchRed
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I'd love us to go back to 442, but as it stands, we don't have the wingers, fullbacks or pace out wide.
Come on, now, where are you getting this from?We have seen multiple times - how 4-4-2 chases shadows in the midfield. We need 3 in the midfield.
What do you mean? Its just common that 2 man midfield gets dominated by 3 man midfield. Maybe you have forgotten how we were never near the ball in our two CL finals against Barca. Even discounting Barca, we struggled with our 4-4-2 against other european teams, do you remember our match against Bilbao not so long ago?Come on, now, where are you getting this from?
Yep. The grass isn't always greener as they say.Don't know about our best formation, but people on here were banging on about how we needed to change to 4-3-3, and now we have, and since we have we've been absolutely fecking shite.
The improvement when we switched back the other night was so obvious it was painful.
Still think having a blanket formation for all circumstances with the players we have is never going to work. You take the opposition into account...and also all too often with us, what players we have fit.
It is very similar. The difference is that you have a midfielder on the left, instead of a forward. You are more defensively secure. Barcelona have Iniesta instead of Neymar. This is important because the move to 4-4-2 is made probably to track the high fullback/inside winger. Famously this was done by Atletico to thwart the famous Messi/Alves combination. A midfielder helps more than a forward in these situations.Barely any different to a 433. Pogba would come inside more often than not and Lingard would push forward to link up with Lukaku and Sanchez, instead of sticking to the right wing.
You can absolutely play a 442 without proper wingers in a narrow diamond shape. Valverde has been coaching that system at Barcelona this season with Rakitić and Iniesta out wide (neither of whom are traditional wingers), Monaco's 442 had two hybrid #10s in Lemar and Bernardo out wide behind Falcao and Mbappé, and Atlético have played 442 over the last half-decade under Simeone with nominal midfielders in wider positions:A 4-4-2 needs proper wingers, Sharpe, Giggs, Beckham, Ronaldo, Kanchelskis etc. And you're offering up Lingard and Pogba? feck me.
I'd like a proper winger to be added the team at some point soon, and then the 4-4-2 will at least become an option for us, but right now it absolutely isn't.
We need that type of player for pretty much any formation we want to play surely?For those pointing out Juve, we don't have Douglas Costa ffs.
Move on from this 4-4-2 idea until we signed that type of player.
The potential problem with the above is that Sanchez and Pogba will get in each others way. But otherwise looks good.I've been saying for ages that we should be playing a 4-4-2 diamond. So not your traditional 4-4-2 but one that would get the most out of our best players
-------------------------De Gea-----------------------
Valencia--------Jones----------Bailley----------Shaw
-------------------------Matic-------------------------
-----------Midfielder-------------Pogba---------------
------------------------Sanchez-----------------------
--------------Lukaku-------------Martial-------------
This would put Pogba in the #8 and Sanchez in a free roll. As big as Lukaku is, he isn't a target man. So in this formation he can drift out wide on counter attacks much like Henry used to do for Arsenal. The key for this would be the fb's because in possession they would be supplying the width
If you're #8 and #10 are getting in each others way then there are bigger issues than what formation we play...The potential problem with the above is that Sanchez and Pogba will get in each others way. But otherwise looks good.
Ah mate he is so right. If football management was just about picking a formation then we'd have 14 year olds running football clubsIgnoring your passive aggressive hipster response do you think 442 would suit our players as that was kind of the point of my post
The bigger issue is to see Pogba as a #8 in 2019.If you're #8 and #10 are getting in each others way then there are bigger issues than what formation we play...
Imagine watching the last three games and having the audacity to overlook Lukaku! If you play two CFs and people to cross from wide, then you play Lukaku.Played a 442 for most of the game against PSG and it worked pretty well, especilly when Young went right back. Defended in two banks of four and even the two strikers dropped back in. Had a Athletico Madrid feel about it under Simeone.
Going forward, I'd definitely like to see this again, but with a few minor changes.
De Gea
Young Smalling Lindelof Shaw
Dalot Herrera Matic Pogba
Rashford Martial
I like this position for Pogba and Sanchez on the benchPlayed a 442 for most of the game against PSG and it worked pretty well, especilly when Young went right back. Defended in two banks of four and even the two strikers dropped back in. Had a Athletico Madrid feel about it under Simeone.
Going forward, I'd definitely like to see this again, but with a few minor changes.
De Gea
Young Smalling Lindelof Shaw
Dalot Herrera Matic Pogba
Rashford Martial
In a 4-3-3 it's more of an 8 1/2The bigger issue is to see Pogba as a #8 in 2019.
Pogba isn't an #8 and Sanchez isn't a winger anymore. Sanchez is just a BTEC Pogba. They can't play together, it's obvious since at least 1 year but some people here don't rate Pogba and obviously overrated Sanchez and try to restrict the frenchman by giving the freedom that he loves to the awful chilian...In a 4-3-3 it's more of an 8 1/2
That post was made ages ago when I was still giving hope for getting something out of Sanchez. And then with Ole taking over, everyone had a clean slate for me again. But Sanchez has still been useless and I am now at the point where I would rather see Chong get any playing time to develop rather than see Sanchez get another minute to regress...Pogba isn't an #8 and Sanchez isn't a winger anymore. Sanchez is just a BTEC Pogba. They can't play together, it's obvious since at least 1 year but some people here don't rate Pogba and obviously overrated Sanchez and try to restrict the frenchman by giving the freedom that he loves to the awful chilian...
Sanchez on the right or on the bench. The left and middle is Pogba's spot, whether you like it or not. I know that Lingard and Martial play there too but they are constantly making runs,they don't get in each others way...
Hopefully this summer we offload Sanchez...
Sanchez has really been terrible, I don't see a future for him at OTPogba isn't an #8 and Sanchez isn't a winger anymore. Sanchez is just a BTEC Pogba. They can't play together, it's obvious since at least 1 year but some people here don't rate Pogba and obviously overrated Sanchez and try to restrict the frenchman by giving the freedom that he loves to the awful chilian...
Sanchez on the right or on the bench. The left and middle is Pogba's spot, whether you like it or not. I know that Lingard and Martial play there too but they are constantly making runs,they don't get in each others way...
Hopefully this summer we offload Sanchez...
My bad.That post was made ages ago when I was still giving hope for getting something out of Sanchez. And with Ole taking over, everyone had a clean slate for me. But Sanchez has still been useless and I am now at the point where I would rather see Chong get any playing time to develop rather than see Sanchez get another minute to regress...
No problem. Maybe you just saw the "March 8" date on it and thought it was my post from the futureMy bad.
I saw march and..No problem. Maybe you just saw the "March 8" date on it and thought it was my post from the future
Not really, and if thats the case, then McTominay should be in the team, as he has also been fantastic in the last three games.Imagine watching the last three games and having the audacity to overlook Lukaku! If you play two CFs and people to cross from wide, then you play Lukaku.
No, because we have better players to play that suit that strategy than McT. Rom + one of the other two up front is better than the other two. I’d rather have Rashford as a lone striker though.Not really, and if thats the case, then McTominay should be in the team, as he has also been fantastic in the last three games.
Really? I think Luke Shaw this season has been one of the best left backs in league. Problem is on the right.Any formation we use requires top fullbacks and we don't have any sadly. None of our fullbacks would get into any of the best teams in the world and the last game we were much better going all out attack with no fullbacks. That tells you everything.
that was when we had Valencia and Young at RB and LB respectively. shaw wasn't in the team and I think he made some good steps this year but still has more to offer.Really? I think Luke Shaw this season has been one of the best left backs in league. Problem is on the right.
Or, you don't rate Luke?
And Martial is better than Lukaku.No, because we have better players to play that suit that strategy than McT. Rom + one of the other two up front is better than the other two. I’d rather have Rashford as a lone striker though.
ohhhhh my bad. I am so sorry. I think March 08, lead me to thisthat was when we had Valencia and Young at RB and LB respectively. shaw wasn't in the team and I think he made some good steps this year but still has more to offer.