How ridiculous is it that England hasn't hosted a major tournament since 1996?!

[Massive Spanner]

Isn't that my point. That they should be looking in some cases where they are getting the money from. If the people in that country are going to suffer because they are taking money from other vital areas then it isn't right. Just so the politicians can have a jolly.

What countries have suffered though?

South Africa was a disappointment financially (and they were Africa's biggest economy at the time and a WC was long overdue in Africa), but other than that... who else?

FIFA obviously need a better vetting system for countries but that doesn't mean that they should only be picking from the small pool of developed nations that already have the infrastructure in place, as you suggested.

 

[GazTheLegend]

It is pretty stupid.

Let’s be honest, the Russians definitely bribed various FIFA members to get the World Cup hosted in Russia, and the only reason people are ‘more’ outraged over the Qatar business is that it was far more blatant that corruption was afoot based on the fact that at least Russia has football stadiums and isn’t set in a desert!

When the rules of the game are being ignored by every player other than yourself, you have to wonder why you bother playing. The U.K. will presumably never host another World Cup while the current crooks run that circus.

 

[HTG]

It is pretty stupid.

Let’s be honest, the Russians definitely bribed various FIFA members to get the World Cup hosted in Russia, and the only reason people are ‘more’ outraged over the Qatar business is that it was far more blatant that corruption was afoot based on the fact that at least Russia has football stadiums and isn’t set in a desert!

When the rules of the game are being ignored by every player other than yourself, you have to wonder why you bother playing. The U.K. will presumably never host another World Cup while the current crooks run that circus.

Germany bribed it’s way to the World Cup, too. I would strongly suggest that it’s impossible to get a World Cup without corruption and I highly doubt any World Cup was ever awarded without it.

 

[Deleted member 101472]

I think it’s amazing that England hasn’t hosted anything since 1996. I also think it’s amazing that in 2016, no one thought to create a song called “20 years of hurt” in reference to how long it had been since the world had that god awful song forced on them.

With modern day technology, a World Cup or Euros hosted only in England would be enough to make most implode. The media bosses would push the narrative of “but in our own back yard just MAYBE we can win it”. It would be truly awful.

I hope England don’t get to host another tournament until after I’m dead, hopefully as close to the next century as possible.

 

[Peyroteo]

Completely ridiculous given the sport was invented here. Especially considering I was reading the USA was going to get another one?

There are many countries in Europe and few in North America so if the plan is to rotate through different continents, the US will get it more often.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

What countries have suffered though?

South Africa was a disappointment financially (and they were Africa's biggest economy at the time and a WC was long overdue in Africa), but other than that... who else?

FIFA obviously need a better vetting system for countries but that doesn't mean that they should only be picking from the small pool of developed nations that already have the infrastructure in place, as you suggested.

Don't think the Brazilian people were too happy about having a World Cup.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Spain haven't hosted anything since 1964, despite having a far better claim to major tournaments than England.

Eh?? Citing Spain (who hosted a World Cup in 1982?) as an argument to why the U.K. shouldn’t host the World Cup is ridiculous. Yes the World Cup should likely be given preference to go to nations that haven’t hosted it before, but that’s dependent on whether the infrastructure or demand in the country is even there.
Italy have hosted the tournament twice, Germany have hosted the tournament twice (admittedly once as west Germany) and France have hosted the tournament twice. What’s your point here?

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Eh?? Citing Spain (who hosted a World Cup in 1982?) as an argument to why the U.K. shouldn’t host the World Cup is ridiculous. Yes the World Cup should likely be given preference to go to nations that haven’t hosted it before, but that’s dependent on whether the infrastructure or demand in the country is even there.
Italy have hosted the tournament twice, Germany have hosted the tournament twice (admittedly once as west Germany) and France have hosted the tournament twice. What’s your point here?

Nothing. England rules the world, rule Britannia, etc. 202? should definitely go to England. I've already started the online campaign.

 

[GazTheLegend]

Nothing. England rules the world, rule Britannia, etc. 202? should definitely go to England. I've already started the online campaign.

This is embarrassing.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

This is embarrassing.

Glad someone said it.

 

[Kostur]

It's actually ridiculous that England even has to play in the tournament, they should just be given the cup already, it's coming home ffs.

 

[padzilla]

To think there are those among us who believe English football fans have a sense of entitlement.

 

[VP]

Agree with the OP. However bad their team is, England remains the spiritual home of football. They invented and codified the game after all.

On every front - stadium, atmosphere, access for fans - it'd be a fantastic WC.

 

[GazTheLegend]

It's actually ridiculous that England even has to play in the tournament, they should just be given the cup already, it's coming home ffs.

Serious question, as I was considering mentioning them as a possible candidate for a future World Cup anyway, could Poland host a successful World Cup? Would you be happy to have it hosted there?

 

[simplyared]

Not an answer to the OP but when it was staged in England in 66 it was something special. Old Trafford of course was used as one of the stadiums and Brazil chose some hotel in Lymm as their home base. How cool is that?

 

[Kostur]

Serious question, as I was considering mentioning them as a possible candidate for a future World Cup anyway, could Poland host a successful World Cup? Would you be happy to have it hosted there?

Could we? Probably yeah, we've done Euro 2012 after all with Ukraine, wasn't that bad I think. How many stadiums would it take though to host it on our own? Would I be happy? I'd be pretty indifferent to be fair.

 

[Minimalist]

I thought moaning was outlawed on here?

As for the question. It probably could have been back in England (WC) by now but I don't think there's anything tragic about it not being hosted in England since 1966.

Don't agree with it being hosted in places like fecking Qatar to be fair.

 

[JK-27]

The last WC in Brazil has left those stadia built specifically for the event in financial ruin: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/32073525

Every Olympics over the past 30 years has seen massive stadia/infrastructures created to host the event, that then go to shite after:

http://www.urbo.com/content/chilling-images-of-olympic-venues-that-were-left-to-rot

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/other-sports/athletics/olympic-stadiums-ruins-how-former-8567479

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/photography/proof/2018/february/old-abandoned-olympic-stadiums/

So surely it makes sense to host major sporting events in countries which do not need to build the stadia/infrastructure to host that event, because history shows that is a waste of public money and resources.

 

[MUFC OK]

We don't have enough oil to be considered.

 

[RedorDead21]

North Korea would be a good shout. Think there would be zero crowd trouble or if there was it would be beautifully synchronised.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

So surely it makes sense to host major sporting events in countries which do not need to build the stadia/infrastructure to host that event, because history shows that is a waste of public money and resources.

Qatar are in a position to build stadia/infrastructure to a level beyond anything any other bid could match. I think they're spending upwards of 150 billion pounds.

 

[HTG]

We don't have enough oil to be considered.

Germany have oil?

 

[dove]

Well, 20 years is not really that long, as others mentioned countries like Spain and Italy have even longer period of time without hosting any major tournament although they have the infrastructure ready for it as well. England hosted olympics in 2012. What is ridiculous is hosts like Qatar. They showed that you can buy anything with money and even move tournament from summer to winter This is the ridiculous part.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Germany have oil?

No, just happy to pay large bribes to win the World Cup, which is the key criteria.

 

[JK-27]

Qatar are in a position to build stadia/infrastructure to a level beyond anything any other bid could match. I think they're spending upwards of 150 billion pounds.

I'm sure they are, and I'm sure the stadiums will be great, but once the WC is over, who is going to use the stadiums? What is the point of spending £150 billion in Qatar for a 6 week event when those stadiums won't get used after (as evidenced by the stadiums not being used in Brazil since the 2014 WC, and all the Olympic stadia not being used and left to ruin). Surely we can do better things with that money and use stadia already built and in existence instead?

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

I'm sure they are, and I'm sure the stadiums will be great, but once the WC is over, who is going to use the stadiums? What is the point of spending £150 billion in Qatar for a 6 week event when those stadiums won't get used after (as evidenced by the stadiums not being used in Brazil since the 2014 WC, and all the Olympic stadia not being used and left to ruin). Surely we can do better things with that money and use stadia already built and in existence instead?

It's an enormous waste of money. And it's being played in winter. It's a scandal, I was just saying that having the money/ability to host shouldn't be all that counts.


Not to mention slave labour.

 

[Minimalist]

Qatar are in a position to build stadia/infrastructure to a level beyond anything any other bid could match. I think they're spending upwards of 150 billion pounds.

Jesus. Slave labour is pricey these days.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

How do you know stadiums will end up ruined when Russia have decent league?

What you are saying is only developed countries should host world cup which is just wrong.

I didn't mean just in Russia. Well I don't think developing country's should be spending money they simply don't have for a football tournament.

 

[LilyWhiteSpur]

Do you think that the money from the stadiums would go to those people if we're to cancel the World Cup?


Not all of them, but for some it'll be definitely be an issue. We have a really low attendance in our league, especially in the regions.

Of course not but I see your point.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

The Russian bid was fine in my opinion. Think they deserve a WC, good footballing nation with a long history going back to USSR (Yashin et al). Qatar should still be scrapped, but it won't because they've already spent 100 billion or so.

 

[HTG]

No, just happy to pay large bribes to win the World Cup, which is the key criteria.

Exactly. Which is why I don’t understand that oil quote.
By the way, I can’t stress enough how likely it is that basically every World Cup was awarded due to bribery and corruption. That’s basically FIFA‘s main business model. You want a World Cup? You gotta pay for it. It’s that simple. Anything else is irrelevant. FIFA in it’s very nature is nothing more than a quasi criminal organization, comparable to the mob.

 

[padzilla]

The Russian bid was fine in my opinion. Think they deserve a WC, good footballing nation with a long history going back to USSR (Yashin et al). Qatar should still be scrapped, but it won't because they've already spent 100 billion or so.

Qatar will not be scrapped because they have the means to appeal it at the highest level and the legal ramifications alone could bankrupt FIFA - not to mention if the full details of how it was agreed were revealed FIFA would be even more murky waters.

 

[Mciahel Goodman]

Qatar will not be scrapped because they have the means to appeal it at the highest level and the legal ramifications alone could bankrupt FIFA - not to mention if the full details of how it was agreed were revealed FIFA would be even more murky waters.

Let's wait and see if they're invaded in the next couple of years. They don't have many friends in the region and are currently subject to a blockade.

 

[P-Nut]

I'm not too bothered about England hosting one, as long as there is one I actually feel like I could attend soon. I'm in my mid twenties now and would like to be able to go have a good piss up at a world cup before I turn 40.

With Qatar in 4 years as long as the next 2 after that aren't both somewhere completely idiotic I'm not too fussed.

 

[RoyH1]

I think the biggest problem England has is the politics game being played in FIFA. The FA brass is simply too naive and walks into a room filled with corrupt men playing the "we deserve this because of history etc..." That's not going to fly in that room. They need to co-opt the heavy hitting owners of the big clubs and get them to lean and/on influence that room. It's not desirable, yes, and morally repugnant, but that's the way this kind of thing works.

A England WC would be fantastic. Wembley, Old Trafford, the new Spurs ground, a renovated Anfield, St. James, a renovated Villa Park, maybe even the Millenium Stadium in Cardiff? Few countries can muster that level of stadia combined with passion for the game.

 

[littlepeasoup]

Even in Russia where football is pretty popular and prevalent half the stadiums they're building/modifying for the World Cup this summer will likely be half full at best when used by clubs in the Russian domestic leagues. The same happened in Brazil too, and will *definitely* happen in Qatar in 4 years time.

There are only a handful of places around the world where if you had a major international tournament you wouldn't end up with a bunch of white elephants, and England is definitely on the top of that list, so I think it's a shame we've not had something happen here for a while.

 

[FujiVice]

96 was the perfect time to host the Euros. A fantastic time to be a football fan. Right in the middle of the football boom in this country where it seemed like you couldnt walk the street without someone wearing a footy shirt. 4 years into the start of the Premiership.

 

[Trizy]

How is it ridiculous? There has only been 5 World Cups and 5 European Cups since 1996.

You do realize the world doesn't revolve around England, right?

1970

Mexico North America
1974

West Germany Europe
1978

Argentina South America
1982

Spain Europe
1986

Mexico North America
1990

Italy Europe
1994

United States North America
1998

France Europe
2002

South Korea /
2006

Germany Europe
2010

South Africa Africa
2014

Brazil South America
2018

Russia Europe
2022

Qatar Asia

That's a fine mix.

 

[B20]

How is it ridiculous? There has only been 5 World Cups and 5 European Cups since 1996.

You do realize the world doesn't revolve around England, right?

1970

Mexico North America
1974

West Germany Europe
1978

Argentina South America
1982

Spain Europe
1986

Mexico North America
1990

Italy Europe
1994

United States North America
1998

France Europe
2002

South Korea /
2006

Germany Europe
2010

South Africa Africa
2014

Brazil South America
2018

Russia Europe
2022

Qatar Asia

That's a fine mix.

but Germany and Mexico twice and Italy looks basically the same as mexico-

 

[GazTheLegend]

How is it ridiculous? There has only been 5 World Cups and 5 European Cups since 1996.

You do realize the world doesn't revolve around England, right?

1970

Mexico North America
1974

West Germany Europe
1978

Argentina South America
1982

Spain Europe
1986

Mexico North America
1990

Italy Europe
1994

United States North America
1998

France Europe
2002

South Korea /
2006

Germany Europe
2010

South Africa Africa
2014

Brazil South America
2018

Russia Europe
2022

Qatar Asia

That's a fine mix.

Twice in Mexico and twice in Germany since 1970, and you think that’s a fine mix?

I’m admittedly biased but you need some serious cognitive dissonance to consider 4 out of 13 world cups being in the same two countries a “fine mix”