Sounds like a great attack if it was 2013..
Gareth Bale
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Bale doesn't want to leave Madrid guys. He will only leave if he is forced out. He has already rejected us twice before. I just don't see how this will happen. To be honest, I'm not too keen about him either. He'll want Sanchez wages but he'll miss half the games. Madrid will also charge 20m extra for him like they did with Morata.
Agree he doesn’t want to leave but if Madrid want Neymar I’m sure they’ll listen to offers to free up some funds.
I’d give this a 4/10 chance happening.
I’d give this a 4/10 chance happening.
A fit Bale would still be one of the best players in the Pl and a player who raises the overall level of the team. His direct, penetrative style would give Utd the type of counter attacking threat that might even elevate the Mou drudgery to watchable.
29 in the Summer, injury history, but needs to be the main man at a club again, more worth the risk than Sanchez was imo.
29 in the Summer, injury history, but needs to be the main man at a club again, more worth the risk than Sanchez was imo.
The “fit” Bale you are talking about ceased to exist about 18 months to 2 years ago. The absolute peak condition this Bale can reach is at most 60-70% of that player and there’s no hope he can maintain that level for any period without his body breaking down again.
You’re right, the majority of United fans would be devastated if we got him.
That is the key issue here of course, especially if he comes to the PL with the higher tempo and greater physicality.
I do wonder if putting on all that extra muscle during his first year at Madrid strained his body too much and made him vulnerable to injury. Who knows, might have been inevitable anyway with his style of play. If you had confidence in his body holding up then I think he is still close to a must sign, but if he was that Madrid would not be moving away from him.
Atleast I'm happy that no one is suggesting a De Gea-Bale swap like last year.
Really don't want to see Bale here. Another injury prone player that we don't need. We need a young Right Winger.
I would be really happy if we got him.
Possibly the only positive of his injuries would be youth would get more opportunities. THeres no doubt if he was fit, he’d improve our first XI immediately.
After seeing what Sanchez is on though from the leak, I very much doubt we’ll be matching Bales current wage.
After seeing what Sanchez is on though from the leak, I very much doubt we’ll be matching Bales current wage.
Really? No more than 50 million for a guy that is one level above all the current Man Utd attackers in a season when he's not fully fit, and 2 levels above when he is completely fit?
The guy's indirectly stated several times in the past he doesn't want to play for us, as good as he can be we'd be better off staying away.
I'd prefer Mahrez.
Think you're overrating him - if fully fit he's a freak of nature and has at times flirted with being considered just under the untouchable double act of CR/Messi without ever having the consistency to see it through (due to his body).Really? No more than 50 million for a guy that is one level above all the current Man Utd attackers in a season when he's not fully fit, and 2 levels above when he is completely fit?
He hasn't been fully fit for how long though? He should be at his physical peak now and what made him really unique was his sumptuous left peg (which he still has) and blistering pace (which is reliant on fitness). I'd like us to go for him because if we can get him fit, he would make us way more balanced and he could be a top top player but £50m is a fair price given his injury record. He's a high risk signing and would also come with very high wages.
If it takes 50M to get Mahrez, I'd pay the extra 20 and get Bale. Atleast when healthy Bale would be our best attacking player by far, you can't say the same for Mahrez.
The first match against Spurs, Alli will take him out for rest of the season, although it wouldn't take much to do it.
So no thanks!!
So no thanks!!
Should make a deal with addons according to the number of games he plays, that would be good for both Madrid and United. He'd fit perfectly on United's right hand side and if he manages to stay fit and get back to a very high level it would be one hell of a signing.
It would make sense for everyone involved.
It would make sense for everyone involved.
I've definitely warmed to the idea of buying him. He's world class.
I think people are warming to the idea because they know Martial is likely to leave. United will get absolutely rinsed of Real, a short sighted signing for a player that doesn't really want to come(turned us down many times in the past). A player turning 29 in July that has a horrific injury record. It will be a mistake bringing monkey man in.
He and Jones would last one training session together.
Why would you give Madrid all the money back that they paid for him? He's 29 in 2 months. You'd be an awful salesman.Really? No more than 50 million for a guy that is one level above all the current Man Utd attackers in a season when he's not fully fit, and 2 levels above when he is completely fit?
Bale would be a great signing and I couldn't give a feck about the cost.
Real has certainly done well with Bale, especially when considering they hadn't won the CL for donkeys years (prior to his arrival).
In his five years there they have won it 4 times
Real has certainly done well with Bale, especially when considering they hadn't won the CL for donkeys years (prior to his arrival).
In his five years there they have won it 4 times
Tenerife would be perfect for Bale. Good weather, a nice community of elderly Brit expats etc. In Manchester he will be expected to play football week in week out. Bale cant do that
People keep slagging him, but when on song, he still has it. Frightening and unplayable at times.
Still one of the most exciting attacking players on the planet when fit and firing, I dont think anyone is arguing that point. They are arguing how often does 'being fit' actually occur.
But everything has a price, is he worth a 35-40mil gamble? I could accept this kind of a bid for him with a take it or leave it attitude. Any more than that, he is welcome to go to PSG or Bayern or Juventus or something.
I’ve changed my stance on this. From a very strong no to yes if he’s available.
Most of my stance against him was due to there being DDG speculation going the other way in a swap for Bale and we know that won’t be happening this summer as De Gea is staying another year for sure. Also because RM would jack the price up like they always do for us and seeing how another year has gone by with Bale not really integrated/phased out at Madrid, his price tag has dropped with teams clearly knowing Madrid can’t keep him and thus aren’t in a position of power in negotiations.
Before I was against it at the assumption he’d cost £80m. Now that a year’s gone by, at £50m I’d definitely give it a go. Much more sensible not giving in to Madrid’s demands and honestly speaking, Bale not having to play so often must have been a positive for him health wise knowing that he’s been able to take care of his body having played less after the toll he’s taken over the years playing at full speed the way he did. He’s still a game breaking talent and there’s not many in the world. The way I see it, the way this season went for him being able to sit back and get his health settled out and the options out there at RW, Bale @ £50m > a Mahrez or a Willian @ £40m. No questions asked. The difference in quality is night and day and yes I’m aware of his injury history but believe this year not playing nearly as much will do wonders for him long term. It’s also why we’d get him for so cheap because there’s that risk-reward factor to it which I’m open to taking.
...seeing how passionless some of our players played throughout the year, you just know Bale would set the tone. When he’s on he’s on and he doesn’t let down one bit. He has more passion than what Lukaku showed this season and having a few guys like that including De Gea who the rest of the guys can look up to would only build that never quit, never die attitude. This is another huge reason why I’m for him. Not just his talents and the price tag going down but him being able to change the culture for the better in the locker room. That’s an intangible you just can’t teach. And it’s very different if it’s a starting player with it instead of a bench player like Herrera (with all due respect). You’d generally like to be able to look up to that leader alongside you on the pitch to give you the motivation to keep going when things are down. Bale brings that and everything else.
...I’ve said for over a year how I wouldn’t at all want him at United but things change. Seeing how United are in a must win mode now needing to compete/win the league and how atrocious our RW is + how little options there are to sign out there at RW, I’d take Bale IF he costs no more than £50m.
Most of my stance against him was due to there being DDG speculation going the other way in a swap for Bale and we know that won’t be happening this summer as De Gea is staying another year for sure. Also because RM would jack the price up like they always do for us and seeing how another year has gone by with Bale not really integrated/phased out at Madrid, his price tag has dropped with teams clearly knowing Madrid can’t keep him and thus aren’t in a position of power in negotiations.
Before I was against it at the assumption he’d cost £80m. Now that a year’s gone by, at £50m I’d definitely give it a go. Much more sensible not giving in to Madrid’s demands and honestly speaking, Bale not having to play so often must have been a positive for him health wise knowing that he’s been able to take care of his body having played less after the toll he’s taken over the years playing at full speed the way he did. He’s still a game breaking talent and there’s not many in the world. The way I see it, the way this season went for him being able to sit back and get his health settled out and the options out there at RW, Bale @ £50m > a Mahrez or a Willian @ £40m. No questions asked. The difference in quality is night and day and yes I’m aware of his injury history but believe this year not playing nearly as much will do wonders for him long term. It’s also why we’d get him for so cheap because there’s that risk-reward factor to it which I’m open to taking.
...seeing how passionless some of our players played throughout the year, you just know Bale would set the tone. When he’s on he’s on and he doesn’t let down one bit. He has more passion than what Lukaku showed this season and having a few guys like that including De Gea who the rest of the guys can look up to would only build that never quit, never die attitude. This is another huge reason why I’m for him. Not just his talents and the price tag going down but him being able to change the culture for the better in the locker room. That’s an intangible you just can’t teach. And it’s very different if it’s a starting player with it instead of a bench player like Herrera (with all due respect). You’d generally like to be able to look up to that leader alongside you on the pitch to give you the motivation to keep going when things are down. Bale brings that and everything else.
doesn't really matter if Bale plays like Lionel Diego Maradona Zinedine Ronaldo
if we can't rely on the guy to be fit and ready to play we shouldn't sign him
Madrid are trying to fund a rebuild- you are paying top dollar for a guy who might play 25 games
if we can't rely on the guy to be fit and ready to play we shouldn't sign him
Madrid are trying to fund a rebuild- you are paying top dollar for a guy who might play 25 games
We had a ton of injuries this year and still managed 2nd place. Hypothetically speaking if Bale plays even half the league games, he has the game breaking ability to turn games we’d get 0 or 1 point into 3pts. Over the games he does play, those points differentials is enough to be the difference between winning the league or not...let’s not kid ourselves, when he plays and on top of his game he’s virtually impossible to contain and single handidly causes havoc.
And £50m is reasonable which more/less is what he’s worth. Not £80m or whatever Madrid were asking for a year ago trying to rip clubs off.
If we’re in for him, I hope we get him inked before the WC. People will begin to remember his top level when they see his national team performances which will only inflate his price tag if he’s not gone by then.
Uh Wales is not playing this WC. Transfer fee is one thing, big wage is another thing. And injuries is unpredictable. It's not like he would be fit for important moment and off to the treatment room when other players can deal without him.
He has shown top level for quite a while now too. Nowadays is more about moment of brilliance while being pedestrian for the rest of the game. There is a reason Asensio and Lucas are raking as many minutes when there is a big earner on the bench when being fit enough to play.
This.
Will this ever stop ? He wouldn't be a great signing as he will never stay fit .
However forgetting that fact and the fact he is past his best and will not be anywhere near as effective in his 30s the number one reason he would be a terrible sighing is that Jamie Rednapp thinks we should buy him
However forgetting that fact and the fact he is past his best and will not be anywhere near as effective in his 30s the number one reason he would be a terrible sighing is that Jamie Rednapp thinks we should buy him
there's a question about his ability as he is reliant on pace at times and it's not a good move to buy a player who you can't rely on - Bailly is a top defender but he barely contributed this year - as you mention we do seem to rack up injuries and the last thing we need is another player we can't rely on. Hypothetically you can imagine him playing in key games but there is no guarantee he will even be available in a more physical league. The one thing I do love about Bale is that left foot though and we could really use someone with Beckham-esque crossing ability.
as for being reasonable - Madrid were quoting us 80 million for Morata, a backup striker. In a transfer environment where you have deals like Coutinho for all that £££ I don't see Madrid being anything approaching reasonable
He's not going to the world cup by the way so there's no issue there
if we are going to spend our money I'd much rather we buy a younger talent who is more suited to the needs of the squad - a right sided attacker - I hear great things about players like Pulisic, Coman and I am a fan of players like Dembele and Costa who are a better fit on the right - we should really be using our scouting network properly to identify players who are more reliable and have the talent - Liverpool were able to buy Salah last Summer for about 40 million euro
who knows but if it was up to me I'd be buying a player in the 21-25 year old demographic to play primarily on the right
Negatives:
-He’s not fit most of the time,
-Never want anything to do with Utd, base on the reports that he always rejects any talk/report that link him to Utd.
-Cost and wages (how much he’s gonna cost and will absolutely be on Sanchez wage at the MINIMUM)
-Could be ADM again that he’s forced out by Madrid to come to UTD unwillingly (if we sign him that),
Positives:
-Still have his abilities (only if he’s fit)
-big name/reputation that Woodward’d like
-Can come up with moments of brilliant (but pedestrian most of time)
I don’t really want him base on the negative that he’s. Might as well plug money on the likes of Marez if we want RW.
-He’s not fit most of the time,
-Never want anything to do with Utd, base on the reports that he always rejects any talk/report that link him to Utd.
-Cost and wages (how much he’s gonna cost and will absolutely be on Sanchez wage at the MINIMUM)
-Could be ADM again that he’s forced out by Madrid to come to UTD unwillingly (if we sign him that),
Positives:
-Still have his abilities (only if he’s fit)
-big name/reputation that Woodward’d like
-Can come up with moments of brilliant (but pedestrian most of time)
I don’t really want him base on the negative that he’s. Might as well plug money on the likes of Marez if we want RW.
Ooo didn’t know, thanks for letting me know.
Idk I believe he’s got it and would bring it for us. Not sure if United are genuinely linked to him at this moment in time but all I’m saying is I wouldn’t mind him.
If he could stay healthy, I'd be all over the prospect of him signing for us. Alas, he hasn't had an injury free season since god knows how long
He’s only 28. If he was 30 then definitely no but he’s 28 and had a lot of rest this season which should do him good the next couple seasons. And yea, that left foot is lethal along with his work rate. He’s definitely a handful and a risk I’d be fine taking.
They wanted £80m last year and no one budged. Clubs know he’s taking up a pretty big portion of RMs wage bill and with him having been relied on less, common sense says the price drops and they’ll have to be somewhat reasonable unless they want to keep him around longer.
Unfortunately, I don’t see us getting anyone younger than 24 that’s proven. The club, boards, and manager seem dialed in on bringing in proven players who will make instant impacts. Thus the Alexis transfer which will phase out Martial in all likelihood. Don’t have the time to be patient and develop with the way they’re looking to win.
That ball retention.
He's 29 in July. He only had 267 minutes in the Champions League. Only started 19 league games.
The numbers really don't look good.