I would prefer some mid stance or something. Unfortunately our legends are the opposite of Liverpool ones. They are too positive and everything about their club is beautiful, some of ours are too negative on the other hand. Neville especially, in his trying to be neutral stance he sometimes says some absolute crap.
Mourinho: “There are clubs where the old legend doesn’t want the glory of the new"
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Basically trying to defend himself because of how much he put himself under pressure due to poor management. He has done average job results wise, didn't improve many players, more players feel frustrated under him while playing dogshite of football, yes we could have done much better. He's just being egoistic like always trying to put pressure on other people than himself.
Even though some players sometimes speak little sense, I think they are right to be angry with how Manchester United underperforms, after all the money spent. If he's having a dig at Gary Neville he's doing that for th reasons above. For me there is no chance Gaz doesn't want United to win, he's totally right to state that McTominay is not good enough for Manchester United midfielder etc. that the tactics didn't work and football is too slow, he's a pundit and knows about it. He absolutely loves United, in fact Jose more seems like a guy who doesn't care if Manchester United lose, he doesn't feel like one of us, he hates to lose because his reputation suffers then.
If Dwight Yorke says that we would be playing better football under Klopp/Guardiola I don't know now, it's his opinion and I would agree with some other former legends too. When you see the shocking elimination from Champions league against Sevilla and in which fashion, I think you are entitled to be critical, we all know if it was for bad luck no one would complain... It is not about wanting Manchester to do bad, it's about not wanting Mourinho in charge because despite his tremendous record he's a bad fit and wouldn't die for United like others. If you look at Bayern and LVG, you could definitely hear many Bayern legends saying the same about LVG, they wanted the cocky guy out of the club. And seriously no wonder.
I think most of us now feel the same I want the best for our club and don't think Mourinho is the best fit for us at all, I seriously hope we won't extend his contract and let him go after another disappointing season like this, if that happens. If he turns it around fair play to him but I absolutely hate like how he egoistically strikes poison all around himself, just to defend his image and not of this club. That is totally against the values of United manager at least in my view. I seriously ask questions how can people like him, I dislike him with every other statements like this, criticising the players, former players, at least he shut up about referees but never takes the blame on himself..
Even though some players sometimes speak little sense, I think they are right to be angry with how Manchester United underperforms, after all the money spent. If he's having a dig at Gary Neville he's doing that for th reasons above. For me there is no chance Gaz doesn't want United to win, he's totally right to state that McTominay is not good enough for Manchester United midfielder etc. that the tactics didn't work and football is too slow, he's a pundit and knows about it. He absolutely loves United, in fact Jose more seems like a guy who doesn't care if Manchester United lose, he doesn't feel like one of us, he hates to lose because his reputation suffers then.
If Dwight Yorke says that we would be playing better football under Klopp/Guardiola I don't know now, it's his opinion and I would agree with some other former legends too. When you see the shocking elimination from Champions league against Sevilla and in which fashion, I think you are entitled to be critical, we all know if it was for bad luck no one would complain... It is not about wanting Manchester to do bad, it's about not wanting Mourinho in charge because despite his tremendous record he's a bad fit and wouldn't die for United like others. If you look at Bayern and LVG, you could definitely hear many Bayern legends saying the same about LVG, they wanted the cocky guy out of the club. And seriously no wonder.
I think most of us now feel the same I want the best for our club and don't think Mourinho is the best fit for us at all, I seriously hope we won't extend his contract and let him go after another disappointing season like this, if that happens. If he turns it around fair play to him but I absolutely hate like how he egoistically strikes poison all around himself, just to defend his image and not of this club. That is totally against the values of United manager at least in my view. I seriously ask questions how can people like him, I dislike him with every other statements like this, criticising the players, former players, at least he shut up about referees but never takes the blame on himself..
I dont like Gary one bit as a pundit but Jose is getting really tiresome.. I hope he looks at himself in the mirror and likes what he sees, cause he sure as hell doesnt come across that way ..
Someone here once said, if you asked Roy Keane what he feels about Roy Keane, he would say he hates him. It sums him up. I just find ironical that he gave probably the best advice. We have progressed, go on with it, forget City.
As for the rest generally agree, but I personally feel he should be aggravated in some way by football establishment looking down on his football. He won absolutely everything and whether you agree or not he is one of the great. It is hard too lower down your ego in such case. I don't think you will find many people winning so much and don't react to criticism.
In the end, I care only about this version of Jose today. And for being grateful, it seems he will get a chance doing something none of the other clubs gave him despite all the success there. Absolute control. Whether that is a good thing or not we will see.
Fergie had his mistakes and personal battles, but horse thing aside and some other stuff, you always saw team interest in the end.
I sometimes don't see it here, that is all.
Fergie pretty much said Neville was an idiot when he jumped on to criticize De Gea, the same nonsense he's doing currently :
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/295220/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-blasts-idiot-Gary-Neville
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/football/295220/Sir-Alex-Ferguson-blasts-idiot-Gary-Neville
His comments have nothing to do with Man Utd. This is about Jose Mourinho.
Gary isn't my cup of tea but suggesting he wants us to fail is bollix.
Gary isn't my cup of tea but suggesting he wants us to fail is bollix.
People will call that throwing Sir Alex under the buss.
Ah the old Fergie did it argument. The problem is not any one specific comment from Mourinho, just like it is not one specific bad or limp performance. You can find examples of those with every manager. The problem is the sheer volume of both. I can't think of a single manager who made that many controversial comments. We are at the point where every week there is a discussion about the latest comments that divide fans and bring unnecessary negativity around the club. When a manager criticizes his players once or twice a season, it can be analysed for what the comments are. When they do it on such a regular basis, the problem is not the comments themselves but the accumulative baggage they bring.
I don't like Neville. Didn't like him as a player and I don't like him as a pundit. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say he wants the club to fail. He's a gobshite and is full of himself but he's still a supporter, or so he says.
To be honest, they're fans and want entertaining football. We seriously don't entertain. Team is just efficient at getting a goal from the 1, 2 or 3 shots we manage in a game. Once Jose gets us playing more attack minded, then the pundits will ease up on him.
There's no argument. If a pundit is talking shite, he should be ready to get the replay quickly thrown at him. You're not going to talk shite in the media about managers and players and expect no replay. If you don't want to get slaughtered, shut up and do your job as a pundit without putting your agenda and nonsense in the media. The game of criticism can be played by 2 men, not only one.
Fergie always seemed to blast pundits to protect his players, Mourinho seems much more obsessed with protecting his ego.
In any case what is the same nonsense Neville is doing right now? Who is overly criticising that demands such fierce blowback?
I take such a dislike to people who use the word snowflake as it is usually the sign of a Trump supporter
Are you serious? There is no argument? You think it's up to you or me to decide whether there is an argument or not? Every man in a public position knows that comments like that create an argument. That's how social media, the newspapers and fan forums work. You cannot make a comment that many feel is unjustified or harmful (even if you disagree with that, it doesn't change that fact) and not expect that there will be a lot of talk about it.
As for your second point, do you understand that the point of pundits is to share their views on footballing matters? Views are naturally going to be either positive or negative. Unless someone goes over the top with personal comments which nobody has done, what do you mean they should shut up and focus on their job? Would you care to show us some of those comments that went over the top? This is where picking what to respond to and what to ignore becomes relevant. When you make a point of responding to that much, you are clearly distracted and very easily triggered, especially when as I wrote, nothing has been remotely close to personal or over the top.
Why did you take the "no argument" point so seriously ? LOL, calm down a little bit.
I didn't say they shouldn't say what they want, but at the same time, they don't have a God-given right to say what they want in the media about managers and players without receiving the replay from those they talked about. Are you implying that it's fine for pundits to say and slaughter all and everyone they want as it's their personal view while those managers/players should receive this criticism and shut up their mouth, or say they respect getting slaughtered in the media and no problem ? Are you talking seriously ?
If you're going to talk about someone, he's going to replay. Pundits need to deal with it.
Yawn. Maybe it's my age but the idea of a grown man playing these childish games is just pathetic, regardless of whether they have any truth to them.
A part of the sport I have no interest in and I don't see the point of it. Maybe others lap it up...if so, fair enough.
A part of the sport I have no interest in and I don't see the point of it. Maybe others lap it up...if so, fair enough.
Most likely true about Keano. It makes him likable in a way doesn't it.
I don't think anyone can legitimately argue that Mourinho is not one of the best managers in the history of the game. His numbers and achievements are simply impossible to ignore no matter how one tries to bend it. I do think that he is a bit a naive though if he doesn't understand the lack of warmth towards his methods. People in football simply across the ages valued expression and offensive flair more than, well the opposite of that. He is working in a business that is popular because of that, it's only natural that a Maradone will be loved more than a Beckenbauer even if they are both arguably equally brilliant at what they do. So in a way, you sympathize with him, until of course he starts his bitter rants.
You're absolutely right about having total control over football matters. I am not sure many appreciate what a brilliant job the Manchester United job is. No other club give as much autonomy and finances to their coach as we do and we do it from the get go, we don't even wait for them to prove they deserve it. But as you say, not sure if that's good or not. It certainly is for the manager's ego but they do tend to overestimate their abilities don't they.
They're all grown men. How they choose to act between themselves is none of my concern, as long as it doesn't impact the club on or off the field.
Lol, don't dare praise Mourinho and liken anything towards Fergie, because you'll be accused of 'throwing Fergie under the bus'.
It's hardly throwing Fergie under the bus is it. Some of our playing style in the final 5-6 years under Fergie was at times boring defensive football, especially away from home. We also had some pretty poor results at home, losing 1-4 to Liverpool for example, but on the route to a good points total and a good season.
I nor the other posters are calling for criticism to Fergie, at all. Nor are we throwing him under the bus. Stop being so sensitive, we're simply highlighting that even the absolute greatest would do this to win at all costs. The very thing Mourinho gets slated for.
That team in 08 was outrageous, yet at times, especially away we would go for a draw or to nick a 1-0. This isn't in any way criticising Fergie or throwing him under the bus.
It's hardly throwing Fergie under the bus is it. Some of our playing style in the final 5-6 years under Fergie was at times boring defensive football, especially away from home. We also had some pretty poor results at home, losing 1-4 to Liverpool for example, but on the route to a good points total and a good season.
I nor the other posters are calling for criticism to Fergie, at all. Nor are we throwing him under the bus. Stop being so sensitive, we're simply highlighting that even the absolute greatest would do this to win at all costs. The very thing Mourinho gets slated for.
That team in 08 was outrageous, yet at times, especially away we would go for a draw or to nick a 1-0. This isn't in any way criticising Fergie or throwing him under the bus.
Imagine if Real, Barca and Bayern end up in similar situation as us, especially after spending hundreds of millions, I am sure their managers will get criticized a lot too...
No way were the last 3 seasons under Sir Alex anywhere near this garbage. Yes, we were average at times but we weren't anywhere near as predictable and one dimensional. And we did that without having a proper midfield and being outspent by 5 other teams in the league.
Well if you love yo say how it is then be balanced. The football has been dire and his methods of man management and tactics inferior. He isnt dynamic enough in his approach or evolution. He would never say that publicly but he can chastise everyone and everything else. If he can be wise enough to not say things publicly that may affect his perceived standing he should be smart enough to ignore what is said in the media by ex players. The football isn't worth watching at all. That's on him. Why does Liverpool's rubbish midfield look far better than ours that is more talented?
Have no issues with what Mourinho said.
I'm sick of all the negativity from our legends.
I am willing to bet if we swapped our playing style with Liverpool, and they are second while we are fourth, all these plaudits won't be saying how entertaining and attacking we are. They'll be saying how the defense is shambles and how we have fallen behind a Liverpool.
Sure, I would love to be like City, playing great football and winning, but that's not exactly easy is it? There's so much negativity around but we are second, this is the highest position we've been since SAF. Most fans get on the high horse and say we don't celebrate second, and just focus on the fact we are not first. They are spoilt and refused to accept we have fallen flat on our face. They say Jose has failed but when clearly he's improved the results, he's improved the squad, and hopefully the style will improve too next season.
Jose's right about the lack of credit shown to him and the team.
And Gary's comment on Scott is ridiculous. As a legend of the club, he should know very well how damaging his comments could be to Scott's confidence. Why say it?
And is it even remotely factual? Sure, he might not be a Scholes but was Fletcher's touch that much better when he was 18? Carrick? Keane? Do we even know how good was Park's touch at 18? How about Djemba Djemba? How can Gary say with any certainty Scott can't at least match some of the players above who played in midfield for Manchester United, under SAF?
If they want to behave like legends of the club, they should go out of their way to protect the club. Instead they decide to focus on themselves and be a rent a quote then frankly they don't deserve much protection. Definitely not over the manager of Manchester United.
SAF certainly didn't hold back fights against the media. Lucky for him the older United legends actually cared for the club and didn't come out slating him every time we didn't win the league with fantastic football.
I'm sick of all the negativity from our legends.
I am willing to bet if we swapped our playing style with Liverpool, and they are second while we are fourth, all these plaudits won't be saying how entertaining and attacking we are. They'll be saying how the defense is shambles and how we have fallen behind a Liverpool.
Sure, I would love to be like City, playing great football and winning, but that's not exactly easy is it? There's so much negativity around but we are second, this is the highest position we've been since SAF. Most fans get on the high horse and say we don't celebrate second, and just focus on the fact we are not first. They are spoilt and refused to accept we have fallen flat on our face. They say Jose has failed but when clearly he's improved the results, he's improved the squad, and hopefully the style will improve too next season.
Jose's right about the lack of credit shown to him and the team.
And Gary's comment on Scott is ridiculous. As a legend of the club, he should know very well how damaging his comments could be to Scott's confidence. Why say it?
And is it even remotely factual? Sure, he might not be a Scholes but was Fletcher's touch that much better when he was 18? Carrick? Keane? Do we even know how good was Park's touch at 18? How about Djemba Djemba? How can Gary say with any certainty Scott can't at least match some of the players above who played in midfield for Manchester United, under SAF?
If they want to behave like legends of the club, they should go out of their way to protect the club. Instead they decide to focus on themselves and be a rent a quote then frankly they don't deserve much protection. Definitely not over the manager of Manchester United.
SAF certainly didn't hold back fights against the media. Lucky for him the older United legends actually cared for the club and didn't come out slating him every time we didn't win the league with fantastic football.
He shouldn't have said that.
Neville, Scholes, Keane etc. were all like that in the dressing room as well. Always pissed off, demanding perfection. It's not like they were Fun Time Frankie as players.
Typical Mourinho bollocks to be fair. Got to deflect the criticism somehow.
Typical Mourinho bollocks to be fair. Got to deflect the criticism somehow.
G Nev and Scholes are not the reason we are 19 points behind City. Some of the criticism around the style of play is completely justified imo. For an elite club we deserve every criticism the longer we play like we do. Spending big money and then turning people away from watching games is not acceptable by any means. Mourinho is wrong to expect anything different. The negativity will remain if you keep producing this football. And this is the same man who likes to throw some of our best players under the bus but can't take criticism himself? If you're gonna give it you gotta be able to take it. It's part and parcel of being at a massive club. Deal with it. He's just a very insecure person though so it won't be long before the next verbal tirade.
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Hard to blame him considering he was out injured with a broken foot at the time. And we'd went from going 5 games unbeaten to losing at home to Blackburn immediately after his injury. I cant see how he'd have himself to blame when the team were playing absolutely shite following his injury. He was one of our better players prior to the injury. Could have still had a role in the squad.
Picking fights. He's coming across a delusional.
@Miscemayl Neville was right about McTominay and it isn't his job to look after our players confidence. That's the role of the manager who is happy to slaughter his players in public to defend himself. Also Scott is going to be 22 in December.
It appears Mourinho has a problem with our ex players having minds of their own. Sadly for him and his petty ego issues, they're just like any other fan who have an opinion and preference when it comes to football and ours under Mourinho. If these comments have any merit (and they dont because they're clearly nonsensical), I suppose a good chunk of United fans also want the club to fail in order to cherish the past.
It seems it mighm just be Mourinho whose living far too much in his glorious past. But at the end of the day, this is probably nothing unusual for him. He is always hugely concern about protecting and building his own image.
It seems it mighm just be Mourinho whose living far too much in his glorious past. But at the end of the day, this is probably nothing unusual for him. He is always hugely concern about protecting and building his own image.
Another amusing thing. Only Mourinho can bemoan and criticize our players/football. I mean, he does do it more than any pundit after all.
It's probably because he never holds himself responsible and only criticses the players whereas fans/pundits hold him responsible for everything including the players.
Based on Mourinho's recent behavior, I think the coming season is going to be his last. The next season will either be a resounding success or an unmitigated disaster.
Only winners are egomaniacs, not perennial losers like Moyes or LVG. I'd rather have egomaniac like Jose incharge, rather than have someone like Giggs becoming the manager(all the united greats would want that). The quotes probably mean that Jose is here for a while, he wouldn't be picking a fight with those outside the club otherwise, especially when he knows what kind of respect the media holds for their opinions about United.
This.
Don't know about the direct connection to G.Neville, but generally Mourinho is correct here. Even legends of a club may not support the club in the same way we do. Ego and politics make things more complicated, we as just fans want to watch great football and above all win every game, which is not complicated at all. Not sure we should pretend to actually know anything about these people, except for what we perceive on the pitch, which again only really relates to current players.
I thought the same. Does seem like a move he only would make when in power to make it
It seems like our ex players are more critical of United than the rest of the media.