Never really rated this guy, seems not a very intelligent footballer and has poot decision making. Has all the attributes to be a good winger(maybe for us) but never thought he was worth the price or hype
Ousmane Dembele - Barcelona Player
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Don't think he's a Jose type of player. He prefers an industrious and accomplished one who can give him a solid 7 or 8 out of 10 every week (like Willian or Perisic). Martial doesn't have much of a chance here, never mind Dembele who is almost a similar type of player who is inconsistent and can be frustrating
I think they need to think about replacing Suarez eventually, so Griezmann is a good choice.
He has inconsistent moments within a game, but he's usually quite productive. As long as he's on the field, you can count him in for either an assist or a goal per 90m. He's definitely not a Jose players, but a lot of the best players in the world aren't Jose-type of players either.
He is very lucky that Coman is injured or else he wouldn't be in WC squad
Accept Messi is the best dribbler on earth and the stats back it up, he averages 5.5 dribbles per game #1 in world football while Dembele manages 2. He isn't even remotely close to Messi at beating players in tight spaces which is more important to a side like Barcelona than a guy whose lethal on the counter attack.
That's the concern. He's a terrific player but he's not an obvious mourinho signing. I think the manager would want a older more focused player with more consistency. I'd love to see him here though.
This isn't a Ronaldo vs Messi debate. Messi will not get the amount of silverware his talent deserves if Barcelona continue on their current path. They need to be challenging for all major titles as of tomorrow.
We've kind of moved past that point by now. Barcelona just won La Liga, they're still doing pretty alright.
Yes but great players who claim to be the best ever are generally measured on Champions Leagues and World Cups when they play at his level. If Messi played for West Brom and won them the PL we'd all be a little more impressed than Barcelona picking up another league title.
There's a Messi vs Ronaldo thread.
Should try a Coman. Loan for the season with an option to buy without any interruptions from Barcelona (i.e if he sets the PL on fire and they decide to keep him).
1. It takes the risk away if he bottles it
2. It allows us to spend big this summer without his £80m+/- price tag hammering us for other areas.
1. It takes the risk away if he bottles it
2. It allows us to spend big this summer without his £80m+/- price tag hammering us for other areas.
And what on earth does Barcelona get from it?
I don't even think they want to sell him,even if they do, it's to fund the Griezmann buy. It's either buy for 80-90 million or 1 year loan with no option to buy so that they can play Griezmann as striker ( after selling Suarez ) next year and play Dembele in the RW.
Coman was different. IIRC Juve got him for free from PSG, they weren't exactly using wingers in their 3-5-2 and so he was mostly on the bench.
Bayern saw how good he was and asked for a loan with an option to buy for 30 mill or something.
Dembele is the right opposite of all that. Bought for a huge fee as Neymar replacement, was a regular for Dortmund and both the player abd Barca had to go through so much trouble to get this transfer done.
No way are Barca going to give him away.
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Somebody made an interesting point about the Liverpool rumours. Maybe Barcelona spread the rumours themselves to solve a possible cashflow problem and gauge Liverpool´s interest. We don´t know how the payments of the Dembele and Coutinho deals are structured. Maybe Barcelona is due a huge chunk of that money this summer. Say they owe €50M each to Liverpool and Dortmund on July 1st. They could say to Liverpool pay the Dembele transfer fee in full NOW (while other clubs would spread out the payments in 3-5 installments). We offset it with the Coutinho summer installment of €50M, you get a little discount on the whole deal and only pay €30M.
Except we do know, courtesy of football leaks:
Barca paid €70m upfront for Dembele and will have to pay another €35m at the end of the season. They also have to pay €5m for Dembele's 25th, 50th, 75th, 100th match, or the whole sum should he move before achieving those numbers.
There are also €5m payments for qualifying for CL and winning it, that can be triggered twice each - though I don't know if they also apply if he's sold prematurely, like the player performance related add-ons.
And in your example you're proposing that Barca sell a player that has already cost them at least €130m (possibly €145m) to sign for €80m.
That's what I meant earlier. They paid a truckload of money for a 20 year old. You don't give up on such an investment, such a talent at such an age if you have to take a massive loss and if actually do then you send out a warning signal to every potential buyer that the kid first went on strike at Dortmund and then must have behaved badly enough for Barca to accept huge losses to ship him out. Even in football I doubt that clubs would just ignore that.
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All fair points. They might still give it up, if they have a general cash-flow problem and only anticipate his problems to increase, if he´s relegated further down the pecking order by the arrival of Griezmann. Cut your losses. Disagree about the warning signal. These high end players are vetted thoroughly today. Any club would be well-aware of the risks attached.except we do know, courtesy of football leaks
Barca paid €70m upfront for Dembele and will have to pay another €35m at the end of the season. They also have to pay €5m for Dembele's 25th, 50th, 75th, 100th match, or the whole sum should he move before achieving those numbers.
There are also €5m payments for qualifying for CL and winning it, that can be triggered twice each - though I don't know if they also apply if he's sold prematurely, like the player performance related add-ons.
And in your example you're proposing that Barca sell a player that has already cost them at least €130m (possibly €145m) to sign for €80m.
That's what I meant earlier. You don't give up on such an investment, such a talent at such an age if you have to take a massive loss and if actually do then you send out a warning signal to every potential buyer that the kid first went on strike at Dortmund and then must have behaved badly enough for Barca to accept huge losses to ship him out. Even in football I doubt that clubs would just ignore that.
I don´t think he´s a Liverpool target anyway. I could see PSG move for him with the obvious Tuchel link and he´d probably be something PSG can sell to their fans, in case they decide to give the baby up to Ronaldo for adoption. The prospect of Dembele and Mbappe, arguably the two biggets talents in France playing for a French club must be enticing.
After everything that'd happened with the Neymar saga, even if Dembelé doesn't hold the same importance, do you honestly think Barca would let that happen (as in I'm pretty sure his release is more than Neymar's and PSG wouln't waste that much money on an unproven player)
No Dembele in Barca's latest kit unveil.
Dembele is a fantastic talent. Unfortunately he had injury problems this season.
No Suarez, Umtiti, Ter Stegen or Alba either.
Explains the Griezzman, Lengelt, Alaba links.
Ter Stegen is a strange one though, didn't think he would need replacing.But if he's absent from the kit unveiling photo, he must be off.
Kit pics never lie
Just kidding
He is the most 2 footed player I have ever seen. I remember once he was asked which one of his feet was his strongest and he didn't have a clear answer. He made a case for both
It was a weird moment:
- Are you right or left footed?
- Left footed.
- Are you sure because you take penalties with the right foot?
- Yeah, because I have a better shoot with the right foot.
Exactly
Some players can use weaker foot to dribble/shoot/pass but you will often notice easily which one is their strongest or weakesr foot. With Dembelé, it is impossible for me
Yeah, such a brilliant attribute to have for attacking players.
At such a lower level that its a different sport but I had that "gift" as well.Exactly
Some players can use weaker foot to dribble/shoot/pass but you will often notice easily which one is their strongest or weakesr foot. With Dembelé, it is impossible for me
My left foot was used for the dinked passes, the solid first touch etc but I would use my right for accurate power.
Who knew I was worth 130m?
So he's ambidextrous.
For people who are pretty good with both feet I'd say that's probably the usual distribution. For example Nani definitely wasn't two-footed but had a better strike with his left, IMO. The subtler things like touch, dribbling, passing are what people tend to fall back on when they think of what their natural foot is. In this part of the world we call the "weaker" foot your swinger, and I think most people can actually generate more power with it but lack that finesse.
I think it's even crazier with him as he can dribble and carry the ball with both feet easily.
This is where the line is drawn with many people who can use both feet, ultimately they have one side they prefer to use to shift/dribble/control the ball. Dembelé is hard to read like that
He also takes flipping corners with his right foot He's unreal at times.
Only Cazorla comes close to him in his use of both feet.
Lallana??
Nah, not the same extent of Dembelé. I've never seen anyone like him
Exactly.
Good shout regarding Cazorla, he was amazing too but still during games you would still notice him being right footed.
Yeah he scored a lot of amazing goals with his right, but from memory I'd have guessed more than half of his goals were with his left. Having watched his goals compilation, it turns out that was something that only clicked into place when he peaked in 2010. Starting with this firecracker, he went on to score 8 of the next 10 goals with his left, before then scoring that screamer against Chelsea. Amongst that was one of my favourite team goals...
But yes if you were making an argument that Nani could score wonderful goals with his right you'll get no argument from me. My only point was that Nani was demonstrably right footed, and his passing, touch, and dribbling were all clearly tilted that way, but his shooting was maybe equally good with both, I'd argue he was more consistent if less spectacular with his left.
I can remember the likes of Forlan and Sneijder taking corners with both feet.
Also Obafemi Martins taking penalties with both feet!
In the case of Dembélé it's subtle, in the sense that within the same sequence of dribbles he will seamlessly shift from left to right, most players aren't able to do that. IIRC Zidane is an example of player able to do it.
He was certainly one of the most ambidextrous players I’ve seen in my lifetime.
That strike v Chelsea is one of the most perfect connections of the ball ive ever seen at old trafford
That refers to 'hands' not feet. Two footed, is the best expression or if your looking for accuracy then 'ambipedal,' is the word.He was certainly one of the most ambidextrous players I’ve seen in my lifetime.
That strike v Chelsea is one of the most perfect connections of the ball ive ever seen at old trafford
Oh yeah I totally agree, Dembele is the only truly ambipedal player I've seen live!