It was dull and out of place in the show. It felt somewhat rushed and lazily written. The only point plot wise was to give Maeve her new superpower.Agreed. I enjoyed it. I don't get the above hate.
Only problem is the main story didn't really move in that episode but who doesn't like fecking Ninjas, eh!?
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I remember explaining the similarities between westerns and samurai movies (some being remakes/interpretations) to the other half during the intro, like for a lot on here the episode didn't sound exciting her. For me, it was nice to see them play of those similarities.... And the swordplay etc weren't bad.
I can see why people felt dissatisfied with that last episode. The hosts' dialogue isn't natural, they may be off there loops but they still talk like Sizemore creations and that makes scenes where it's hosts talking to hosts quite jarring, and that is what we're getting with the Maeve/Dolores stories. These arcs are also the most character driven which makes it even worse as they're missing what is the shows biggest strength, mystery, Maeve is ambling around but we know where she's going and why, Dolores is going somewhere we don't know, but it doesn't feel like the main crux of what is going on and seems an afterthought at times and lacks the tension and intrigue of the other arcs/season 1.
Maeve's increasing skill set, while creating a very cool set piece, isn't something I'm on board with either, having that kind of power can get boring to watch pretty quickly.
Armistice and Japarmistice examining each other was awesome though.
Maeve's increasing skill set, while creating a very cool set piece, isn't something I'm on board with either, having that kind of power can get boring to watch pretty quickly.
Armistice and Japarmistice examining each other was awesome though.
Isn't that what Akira Kurosawa movies are about? a mix of western and Japanese culture.I remember explaining the similarities between westerns and samurai movies (some being remakes/interpretations) to the other half during the intro, like for a lot on here the episode didn't sound exciting her. For me, it was nice to see them play of those similarities.... And the swordplay etc weren't bad.
Just found out that Talulah Riley is Elon Musk's Ex-wife.
I'm so getting Lost vibes from this, I see there's a new ep on HBO and I just fear it's going to be disappointing shite .
It was a pretty good ep to be fair.
Haven't watched it yet, will watch it tonight.
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Why didn't Maeve just make all the ghost whatevers kill each other?
I don't think she can control them because they've already been 'freed' by Ford.
She didn't even try though. I reckon she wanted them to kill the other woman so she could take custody of her daughter.
I'm not quite sure what to make of the first scene. Is there an Arnold other than the one who is with Elsie somewhere hidden in the park? And why was it Dolores who ran the fidelity test with him? Was she just a second version to create familiarity? Or was it the real Dolores, which would bring up a host of new questions.
I'm glad they finally got over Samuraiworld though, as someone who isn't interested in that stuff the whole ceremonial scenes were pretty dry to watch.
Ok good episode but can someone shed some light on the following:
1. Why was Delores running tests on Bernard? This surely 100% confirms that he is Arnold? Given that when William tried to recreate Delos as a host he ran similar tests?
2. Also FORD!! This is turning into some inception craic. So, he is a fully functioning host like William was trying to make Delos?
1. Why was Delores running tests on Bernard? This surely 100% confirms that he is Arnold? Given that when William tried to recreate Delos as a host he ran similar tests?
2. Also FORD!! This is turning into some inception craic. So, he is a fully functioning host like William was trying to make Delos?
that was confirmed in season one.But Williams failure with Delos had me second guessing that it wasn't possible. I imagined he just had some characteristics of Arnold.
Besides, how did no one notice that Bernard looked exactly like Arnold when he used to run the place?
No, his consciousness is in the system itself.
I think Delos was supposed to be another step from hosts like Bernard. Because Bernard seems to me like he is a host built in the image of Arnold, Ford gave him a similar back story and a similar character matrix, but Bernard is not aware of Arnold at all, whereas with Delos it seems like they tried to give whatever that thing was a copy of the real persons mind. Which makes it weird that they would run a similar test on both of them. Which makes me wonder if this is the introduction of a real(er) Arnold running around somewhere - in addition to Bernard. I think in s1 they even introduced the story of Arnold with some code that was written/signed by him.
Think ford mentions that arnold was the reclusive kind who preferred the company of hosts while Ford was the one who dealt with people. Plus its been ages since the park opened. Dont think there are many left who knew the real arnold. Maybe william.
Seems ratings are struggling this season. Guess Americans aren't interested unless a pair of tits are involved.
1. Dolores running tests on Bernard was a flashback, showing that Ford's scheme was quite long in the making.
2. Ford was not a real host. It was his consciousness uploaded to a matrix type simulated world, in the mainframe that is called ''The Cradle"
Well that and it seems like the Asian excursion turned a few off too.... Guess it's West World or bust from now on huh? Was looking forward to their take on Medieval World
I have to be honest, I thought the first episode in season 2 was excellent, but after that the plots and sub-plots have meandered a bit and now I wonder where it is going. The scene with Maeve's daughter was a bit predictable and the whole Samurai world thing was a bit ridiculous at times, the whole Maeve being a witch thing in particular.
I just hope they don't create numerous plots and sub-plots just to keep churning out more seasons in the same way as Lost ended up.
I just hope they don't create numerous plots and sub-plots just to keep churning out more seasons in the same way as Lost ended up.
I think that ship has already sailed.
Or, in the case of Dolores, the train has left the station, with half the cast on board, in pursuit of her abducted father. MiB continues to wander in the wilderness, playing the 'game', without bothering to explain what the game is, or what prize he expects for winning it. Meanwhile, the super intelligent Maeve has spent the first 6 episodes on a dangerous trek across Westworld in an effort the recover a daughter who, predictably, when finally found, doesn't know who she is.
God knows what Bernard is up to. He, Elsie and the bad guys have spent a long time discovering what was obvious from the start: Ford has tampered with the machinery.
There's not a lot of forward progression. I suppose the decision to keep the action in the Park limited options. The show's big card is to hint at hidden mysteries in the hope that the audience will forgive the sluggish pace and stick around to see them revealed.
You sound like you really aren't enjoying the show
.Anyway who cares what the 'game' is its the middle of the second season? The fact the daughter didn't remember her was to be expected, they get their memory wiped regularly. It's nothing that she won't be able to fix I'm sure as the memories are still there, just like they are got thru other host. Bernard and co. discovered Ford is in the machine, not as predictable as you make out. A nice touch too as are reading with AI and did not just robots.
As for the rate of progression or the mysteries? How quick and obvious did you want the show to be?
I know it's redcafe and people like to rinse everything, but the above is plausible, makes sense, and is as entertaining as most other shows out atm.
Imo its pattern and execution is pretty similar to the first season so I'm fine with it all...
PreachYou sound like you really aren't enjoying the show
Anyway who cares what the 'game' is its the middle of the second season? The fact the daughter didn't remember her was to be expected, they get their memory wiped regularly. It's nothing that she won't be able to fix I'm sure as the memories are still there, just like they are got thru other host. Bernard and co. discovered Ford is in the machine, not as predictable as you make out. A nice touch too as are reading with AI and did not just robots.
As for the rate of progression or the mysteries? How quick and obvious did you want the show to be?
I know it's redcafe and people like to rinse everything, but the above is plausible, makes sense, and is as entertaining as most other shows out atm.
Imo its pattern and execution is pretty similar to the first season so I'm fine with it all...
Just caught up the last two episodes. Haven’t seen it mentioned here, but the most significant takeaway for me was to do with the mirroring of the West/Japanese characters.
They made it blindingly obvious with Maeve/Akane(?) and Blonde Assasain/Asian Assasain and the Hispanic Assasain/Main Samurai were twins but the bit that stuck out to me was that with the Japanese version of the Maeve/Daughter story...
It’s MiB that kills Maeve in the West version and (I think) the guy that killed Akane’s daughter and made her dance that killed her Akane in the Japanese version.
So is that another suggestion that MiB is a host and part of the narrative?
They seemed to make an explicit link by showing the two events sequentially with MiB and the Asian version event.
They made it blindingly obvious with Maeve/Akane(?) and Blonde Assasain/Asian Assasain and the Hispanic Assasain/Main Samurai were twins but the bit that stuck out to me was that with the Japanese version of the Maeve/Daughter story...
It’s MiB that kills Maeve in the West version and (I think) the guy that killed Akane’s daughter and made her dance that killed her Akane in the Japanese version.
So is that another suggestion that MiB is a host and part of the narrative?
They seemed to make an explicit link by showing the two events sequentially with MiB and the Asian version event.
Yep it's pretty clear to me MIB is a host, too many little hints.
But if MIB is a host, what and who is William?!?
I can’t get into this season at all. The first season was so interesting/different that I got massively engaged early on, which kept me hooked through the (with retrospect) painfully slow-moving middle episodes and the late season twists/cracking finale left me eagerly anticipating this one.
It’s just not happening for me, though. The novelty of the premise has long since worn off and I just don’t care about any of the characters enough to try and keep on top of the various strands of plot. Which seems to be getting more and more convoluted.
Mind you, I’m only three episodes in. Did anyone else feel the same way, initially, but get sucked into it again as the season went on? If not, I think I’ll bail.
It’s just not happening for me, though. The novelty of the premise has long since worn off and I just don’t care about any of the characters enough to try and keep on top of the various strands of plot. Which seems to be getting more and more convoluted.
Mind you, I’m only three episodes in. Did anyone else feel the same way, initially, but get sucked into it again as the season went on? If not, I think I’ll bail.
William is to the MiB what Arnold is to Bernard surely?
It makes sense, I think that's why they showed William trying to make a copy of his father-in-law, that he eventually succeeded and was able to do it on himself.
Here's my theory:
Young William was real.
MiB was real at one point too and as we know was an older William.
William/MiB's intention was always to gain immortality, that's why he worked for so many years on perfecting the technology with his father in-law. What he was working on there was a secret and at odds to what Ford was trying to achieve.
I think William wanted to achieve immortality in the real world as a host. Ford on the other hand, I think wanted to achieve immortality in a virtual world "The Cradle" as we now know it.
Ford also knew that Delos are a threat to his plan so he's essentially turned all the hosts into his army so they destroy Delos and protect The Cradle where his consciousness resides in the afterlife he carefully crafted for himself.
MiB on the other hand, doesn't realise that he's a host but knows that The Cradle and Ford are a threat to his existence so without knowing it (maybe William had him(self) programmed with a rough narrative so he knew what he was supposed to do without knowing why which would be at odds with MiB never knowing he's a host).
With that in mind, I think that MiB is a slightly different technology to the other hosts, maybe the same as Bernard and that's why he's treated as a guest by the other hosts and the park itself.
Really? I'll have to pay more attention.
I kind of did, now I'm engaged, but tbh I'm not one of the superfans. It's just another show that I watch, albeit a good one imo.
I think the other body that was printed is Bernard. In some scenes one has a cauterised wound on his temple. In others he doesn't.
Yeah I can't think of them all off the top of my head, but the fact he repaired his arm when he got shot with 1 of those machines they use to fix hosts made it quite clear.
I believe William has uploaded his "mind" to a hosts body, he probably got old and the technology had advanced far enough to do it.
4th Episode is by far the best of the season thus far and maybe my favorite stand alone episode of the show. At the very least check it out.
Grand so. I’ll stick with it. Thanks chaps.
I feel completley the same... After six episodes. I wasn't sucked into it again at all. I just have a problem abandoning shows of potential, especially when it's only ten episodes a season. And the first season was good.
But if after every episode I have to read recaps and forums in order to partly understand what's going on... Different plots, different timelines... I'm sorry, that's not good TV.
If you have to read forums to understand what's going on that is a problem, but it's not the TV show's.
Agreed. That’s half the fun for me. Westworld has no intention to lay everything out on a plate. It’s crafted to be confusing and ambiguous but also thought provoking and ripe for speculation.
Exactly, as there are literally hundreds of shows that present the whole story in a digested way. Some of them do have interesting plots, so that's bearable. But what makes this show unique is that every single detail and remark matters. Makes you appreciate the mental effort that has taken place to craft this script.