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Maybe the club is playing hardball with Jose and telling him you have the players so get on with the job.
Well then the protests to start again. Sure he has some good players but with the gap with city and there amazing sqaud and Liverpool pumping a billion quid into their squad this summer it will be impossible to compete without some reinforcementMaybe the club is playing hardball with Jose and telling him you have the players so get on with the job.
It won't surprise me if there are issues between the pair. I can imagine Ed's reaction if Mourinho tells him to spend £50m on Perisic or £60m on Willian.Maybe the club is playing hardball with Jose and telling him you have the players so get on with the job.
So you are pretty happy with the players we have got?Like a soap opera this guy. Hopefully his last season in charge
That would be the most worrying thing if the board are thinking like that. That would mean they are a bunch of raving idiots if they think we have the players to win the league let alone compete in CL. We have no depth in quality Let alone starters in key positions like LB and RW.Maybe the club is playing hardball with Jose and telling him you have the players so get on with the job.
Fair enough. My point was if we were short of places in the squad then maybe there would be a goalkeeper in the reserve /youth teams that could have been nominated as back up reserve 3rd keeper with the option to recall a loan if we had a goal keeper crisis?That young keeper will go out on loan which helps his development rather than sitting on bench whole year.
Don't know how anyone can have issues with this.
That's not a very encouraging thoughtWell we only have three weeks left to do our business anyway so it’s not unrealistic to think we will end up with Fred as our only signing for the first team.
If that is the extent to our transfer strategy, then I would be a bit worried.Our transfer strategy should be simple, as and when the best players in the world are available we should consider them, Ronaldo, Sandro, Lewandoski, Thiago for example ?
Yeah he was crud after we signed him but I'm hoping he's better this year. But I think you're right, I wonder how much Darmian is on a week? Because we are United, we pay more in fees and we also then get stretched by players agents over wages. I think we need to clear the decks but we aren't going to get much for players like darmian so we should sell him for a token fee to get him off the wage bill or offer him as part of the Sandro deal because if we are genuinely interested in Sandro the only team I've seen Darmian linked to is Juve it would make senseThink the wage structure of the club is not allowing us to buy more players without selling. Over paying salary to players like Sanchez has cost the club a lot, plus the transfer fees during the last couple of years. Another shit season from Sanchez and i think we should start trying to flog him to China.
If thiago and Sandro are the best players in the world then why is Bayern trying to ditch Thiago and why doesn't sandro get into the brazil squad / juve squad half the seasonOur transfer strategy should be simple, as and when the best players in the world are available we should consider them, Ronaldo, Sandro, Lewandoski, Thiago for example ?
If Jose thinks they strengthen the team above say Mata, Young, Lingard and Fellaini then we go for them, simple.
I don't think it's spoiled as such to question the quality of certain players (or be skeptical about others coming good or having an immediate impact).I see nothing strange, this is just being spoiled and thinking that signing players are the way to improve. The big signing this season is his new backroom staff, something new cooking up for the new season hopefully.
What a spirit to start a season with. A surrender. Already justifies his failure?Tweet
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If we are relying on EW valuation of players over JM then we are in big big trouble. I highly doubt this is the case.It won't surprise me if there are issues between the pair. I can imagine Ed's reaction if Mourinho tells him to spend £50m on Perisic or £60m on Willian.
You should watch the actual interview. He was asked how bad is it that half his senior squad is missing. Should he be over the moon? The rest is very laid back and he even goes to describe that the positive side is that the youngsters will get a chance. But you won’t here that mentioned.What a spirit to start a season with. A surrender. Already justifies his failure?
Looking at the moves Mourinho is making, he is taking some action now. He is determined to do something new and it could possibly work.I don't think it's spoiled as such to question the quality of certain players (or be skeptical about others coming good or having an immediate impact).
But you have a point in general. I don't think simply buying X, Y and Z is going to work in terms of cohesion and the other issues people have complained about for a long time now. If Mourinho thinks this too, i.e. that the key is to improve the game plan rather than adding new players - fine. Excellent, in fact. But he has to deliver now. And he (and his fan club on here) certainly can't begin moaning about lacking quality when we're some weeks or months into the season.
Some people just couldn't control their inner muppetry, kinda forgiven because the dippers just signed players after players.I am really surprised that post/threads like the OP are not banned.
It is a bunch of assumptions stated as facts.
Secondly, there are so many threads complaining about the same old thing.
I have seen and had threads locked for a lot less.
Sure, let us not sue the poster but let's close the thread at least.Some people just couldn't control their inner muppetry, kinda forgiven because the dippers just signed players after players.
Dippers panic caused this thread to be created.
Excellent post!I think the problem is Woodward, he sees the club too much from a business perspective and not enough from a football perspective. he even said himself that what happens with the season performance doesn't really impact the commercial aspects of the business. We all know that United is a global brand that will make money either way but something has to change.
If you look back at the days of Fergie and Gill, they cared about the football, yes we made money but that's always been the case but they put football first; If we had to go out and spend £30m (probably about £80m today) then we did and no one questioned it. Fergie and Gill may be gone, but the legacy and expectations that they left behind haven't, the fans expect whoever is in charge to continue the legacy of our football club.
I've had enough of people blaming managers, I'll admit I'm guilty of this too, but its clear to see now that the managers aren't to blame, Woodward is and probably further up. Yes we are a business and we need to balance books but first and foremost we are a football club, we have a history of winning and unless our executives start treating us like a club again then I worry we may end up like Arsenal, Liverpool and Milan. If you look back Jose said he's leaving the transfers to Woodward, and during the biggest football match of the summer, which is a great place to scout, he watches fecking tennis; Its clear to see he isn't bothered about the transfers.
We need to get back to what we are good at, playing football and winning trophies. No more executives lining their own or the Glazer's pockets.
If this is the way the club, my club, OUR CLUB is going to be ran then we need to make a stand, if the green and gold scarves have to come back then so be it, but I will not sit back and let my club become a team that was.
We have sold Johnstone and Dean Henderson is already out on loan. It's better to send them on loan and help them develop than worrying about 1 slot in the squad.Fair enough. My point was if we were short of places in the squad then maybe there would be a goalkeeper in the reserve /youth teams that could have been nominated as back up reserve 3rd keeper with the option to recall a loan if we had a goal keeper crisis?
It's all up to the mods. This thread is similar to "Wot no transfers" thread anyway.Sure, let us not sue the poster but let's close the thread at least.
Realistically if City reproduce the same form again this season do you seriously think any other team have a chance to win the league ? It's not about being happy to play second, its all about being realistic and build a team that will challenge. Whenever City slips we should be there to take advantage and If Pogba hits running along with Matic and Fred we will be fine. We are not going to sign someone for 40-50m and put him in the bench. That's why I was pretty sure we were not going to bring a LB in unless we sell both Young and Shaw. We have so many CB's already and the ones available are not really better than what we have. The one position we should be looking into is the right wing but I guess Jose might have some other plans.So in few words the richest club in the world is happy to play second fiddle to City while 'augmenting' their team with a kid, Brazil national team's water carrier and some old dude straight from Stoke's dustbin? Sweet. Also shouldn't hype be justified on the pitch rather then away with it? After all we should have learnt our lesson with the various Wellback, the Da Silva twins, Evans, Macheda and co who were expected to rule the world only to end up, well, nothing special at all. That last time our academy produced a world class article was back in 92. So lets get down the hype train shall we?
So why bother then? We may as well give up and give the title to City at the beginning of the season. You really believe United don't want to catch City and are happy in second place? The younger fan base was brought up on winning titles. Football is about money these days and the club will know you generate more money by more fans. You gain more fans by winning trophies.There are certain things fans needs to understand. City were too good last season, they barely lost games in the PL and that was a freak season ( congratulations to them) . Realistically if City continue the same form then there is no chance that anyone else is going to win the EPL. Its the hard truth that's difficult to digest for most of the fans. Jose knows this and board knows this.
Erm yes it is a strategy. Liverpool's biggest weakness has been the goalkeeper since Klopp joined. They have bought arguably the best goalkeeper available on the market. That is a strategy.Well is Alison for 75m a transfer strategy to you ? Jizz , I don't think anyone can have a real one these days , it's all about money and sensitive players-millionaires .
That defeatist mentality would have wiped us off the map the moment Arsenal's invincibles or Mourinho's Chelsea MK1 appeared at the horizon. Similarly to Shitty both those team raise the bar substantially. We had to reach that level and then go beyond it. There was a time when I was a boy when you would look at the EPL table in November/December and be glad that we're not on top. The reason being that those on top would have peaked too early and would run out of gas by the end of the season. Mou changed all that with Chelsea by staying consistently good throughout the season making it of paramount importance to fight for each and every point. We had to react to that.Realistically if City reproduce the same form again this season do you seriously think any other team have a chance to win the league ? It's not about being happy to play second, its all about being realistic and build a team that will challenge. Whenever City slips we should be there to take advantage and If Pogba hits running along with Matic and Fred we will be fine. We are not going to sign someone for 40-50m and put him in the bench. That's why I was pretty sure we were not going to bring a LB in unless we sell both Young and Shaw. We have so many CB's already and the ones available are not really better than what we have. The one position we should be looking into is the right wing but I guess Jose might have some other plans.
Wellback, the Da Silva twins, Evans, Macheda were all talented. Talent alone wont be enough for sure. O'connor, Gomes, Chong, Tuanzbe and Greenwood are exciting prospects and deserves there chance . If they take it they will be in the team or else they will be thrown out. Its as simple as that.
Most of this post is nonsense, especially the bold.I think the problem is Woodward, he sees the club too much from a business perspective and not enough from a football perspective. he even said himself that what happens with the season performance doesn't really impact the commercial aspects of the business. We all know that United is a global brand that will make money either way but something has to change.
If you look back at the days of Fergie and Gill, they cared about the football, yes we made money but that's always been the case but they put football first; If we had to go out and spend £30m (probably about £80m today) then we did and no one questioned it. Fergie and Gill may be gone, but the legacy and expectations that they left behind haven't, the fans expect whoever is in charge to continue the legacy of our football club.
I've had enough of people blaming managers, I'll admit I'm guilty of this too, but its clear to see now that the managers aren't to blame, Woodward is and probably further up. Yes we are a business and we need to balance books but first and foremost we are a football club, we have a history of winning and unless our executives start treating us like a club again then I worry we may end up like Arsenal, Liverpool and Milan. If you look back Jose said he's leaving the transfers to Woodward, and during the biggest football match of the summer, which is a great place to scout, he watches fecking tennis; Its clear to see he isn't bothered about the transfers.
We need to get back to what we are good at, playing football and winning trophies. No more executives lining their own or the Glazer's pockets.
If this is the way the club, my club, OUR CLUB is going to be ran then we need to make a stand, if the green and gold scarves have to come back then so be it, but I will not sit back and let my club become a team that was.
You realise that the manager is the one who decides which players we go for and we've gotten Martial, Sanchez and Mkhi in the last few years as wide players. Plus Mata.the issue probably is that we are fixated on Bale yet again - Woody has made a PowerPoint and the rest highlighting how brand Bale is perfect for United
football has taken a back seat to corporate United with our galactico policy and we haven't allocated money where it is properly needed - notably in the wide areas
shocking really
The same Douglas Costa who had his loan deal made permanent by Juventus this transfer window. Juventus won't sell him immediately after buying him. Also,I'm surprised we were not at least attempting to go for Douglas Costa. Moussa Dembele is another player looking to leave who would give us a great option.