Martial even said that he struggled in his second season because of his personal life. His split with his partner very publicly.
Martial's partner gives birth and the resultant hell from two warring factions
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Wasn't it De Bruyne who demanded to have open training sessions at Chelsea to show the public that Mourinho was lying about his efforts in training?
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I rate his talent a lot but it's clear he hasn't got the right mentality to go with it. Say what you will about Jose he'll find that out of players. I understand his leaving the tour but going AWOL is unacceptable and doesn't show of any real desire when you consider a) he's already said he wants to leave/hasn't proven up for the challenge and b) has a legitimate chance to stake his claim in the side now.
It's clear he's not going to work out next season and we'll flog him next summer or he'll sit out his contract we may as well just cut our losses and swap him with Perisic, Wilian or Alderweireld and then have enough time and cash to till in the other position we don't trade him with (rw or cb).
It's clear he's not going to work out next season and we'll flog him next summer or he'll sit out his contract we may as well just cut our losses and swap him with Perisic, Wilian or Alderweireld and then have enough time and cash to till in the other position we don't trade him with (rw or cb).
It proves nothing other than people can take paternity leave if they wish and if they advise their employer of dates and length of leave in advance. It doesn’t prove that’s what he has done.
If they were that keen to back Mourinho they'd be willing to consider local teams as well. And drive the price down. After all this is a player who, if the reports are to be believed, has laid down a direct challenge to Mourinho's authority.
Hope you know more about sex than you do about football mate
We cannot let him move to Chelsea.
Doesn't mean he spent the whole time sulking though.
I'm not even really backing Martial up here, I just think a lot of people on here are being petty and overly harsh towards him just because it looks like he is out of the door.
Reality is, none of us know what is going on in his life, there could be certain circumstances which have meant that he's been away from the team for longer than expected.
For all we know, Jose could be using this as a way to get fans on board with the idea of selling Martial, simply by playing dumb and acting like he has gone AWOL.
Just playing devil's advocate as people are way too quick to jump to conclusions sometimes.
Fair enough. So it's true then? No defence for it.... You can't just not turn up.
A shame but it looks like it's over for him.
You're suggesting that a business would sell a valuable asset to a rival for a cut-price
Think about it. In doing so we will;
- strengthen a rival
- weaken ourselves
- send out a signal to other clubs that we need a replacement
- other clubs will then increase their tax/refuse to sell to us
- set a precedent for any other player in the same predicament in the future
- potential for squad disharmony
- loss on potential returns
- did I mention that it's a really stupid idea?! When has Madrid/Bayern/Barca sold a valuable but unwanted/no longer required player for a cut price?
The list of negatives is ridiculously long, and it has nothing to do with Mourinho.
The press have already been briefed that the board has faith in Mourinho - so if you insist on continuing to gossip thats your prerogative, the rest of us adults have accepted this fact.
Now with the board having faith in Mourinho, the next step is to cover all bases - we can either get a decent return on a valuable asset, or hold onto him for the season - the option to sell him to a rival for cheap is mind boggling. If we are going to sell him to Chelsea or Spurs or whoever, then it wont be for anything less than £80m.
Not sure what my tagline has to do with this, but maybe you should get laid - maybe it will help you find your logical reasoning, mate.
Martial became our most important player at the age of 20, he was the shining light in any abysmal season and looked destined for big things. Prompting to creation of this laughable thread on here.
Problematically for Martial he also bought into his own hype, thinking he had a position locked down in the side. Obviously whenever there is a change of manager, you have to work hard to earn their trust. Mourinho trusted him with a place in the XI at the beginning of his tenure but eventually things went south. To his credit he worked very hard to earn a place back in the side last season but gave up after losing his place in the side after January. I don't understand why people lay into Sanchez for Martial's poor form since January. At a top club, you have to constantly prove you deserve a place in the side. You just can't sit back and think I don't need more competition for my place. This is why its baffling why so many support Martial's poor attitude. Even if they were to get their wish and we hire a gung-ho attacking manager, Martial would sulk if he was dropped due to bad performance/form. He just doesn't want to compete for his place because he thinks he's good enough to play regularly for a top side.
I don't see him succeeding at top clubs because there will always be competition for your place, he's going to end up like a big fish in a small pond.
Problematically for Martial he also bought into his own hype, thinking he had a position locked down in the side. Obviously whenever there is a change of manager, you have to work hard to earn their trust. Mourinho trusted him with a place in the XI at the beginning of his tenure but eventually things went south. To his credit he worked very hard to earn a place back in the side last season but gave up after losing his place in the side after January. I don't understand why people lay into Sanchez for Martial's poor form since January. At a top club, you have to constantly prove you deserve a place in the side. You just can't sit back and think I don't need more competition for my place. This is why its baffling why so many support Martial's poor attitude. Even if they were to get their wish and we hire a gung-ho attacking manager, Martial would sulk if he was dropped due to bad performance/form. He just doesn't want to compete for his place because he thinks he's good enough to play regularly for a top side.
I don't see him succeeding at top clubs because there will always be competition for your place, he's going to end up like a big fish in a small pond.
Mourinho would probably get the sack if he made this type of thing up. If it was false, then it would paint the club in a very negative light and they would probably be very peeved off that he's playing these types of mind games.
That is a real thread.
Get shot now while there's still time to reinvest the money
He plays like he's a man possessed. Maybe it's that extra bit of something special Pep seems to give his players
Funnily enough this reads as a prologue to a story about Januzaj.
Well thing is, Jose isn't exactly making anything up.
He is just distancing himself from the situation by saying that he is not sure when Martial will return and his whereabouts, suggesting he has gone AWOL.
When in reality there is probably a good chance he does know, and if he doesn't, I'm sure someone at the club does.
Surely you can see my point regardless? I don't think we can take everything at face value that's all, especially when Jose is involved.
You do know players have social media accounts right? If he had indeed asked for a long leave and club had granted it but now are going back on their words, he could post it and clarify that's not the case. Surely Jose wouldn't be so stupid to tell that he's AWOL knowing this.
I don't deny that, just remember that whether it's true or not the same too relax in training, not focused enough was said about De Bruyne. Maybe he changed with his move to Germany or never had any issue but that was used against him at some point.He plays like he's a man possessed. Maybe it's that extra bit of something special Pep seems to give his players
Yes, I do, but thanks for pointing that out as if I'm stupid.
Jose has not said Martial has gone AWOL, he has merely suggested it by distancing himself from the situation.
Do you not think Martial would be in breach of his contract by speaking out about his employer when in reality, 99% of the stuff which has been mentioned about Martial has come directly from the media, not Jose himself?
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If it's confirmed that he's not reported to the club in any fashion and is not returning to training, then he's pulling a Dembele and is out of here. Then again, I don't take anything Mourinho or Twitter says at face value so who knows what the hell is really going on? If that's the truth then it puts the club in a really difficult situation because they will most likely have to sell and it will probably be at a loss but at least it'll get rid of a major distraction. I think it's a shame though, because Martial did fight back last season to go from a terrible second season to taking the starting spot until Sanchez arrived. Now Mourinho seemed open to trying out new things with Martial pairing him with Lukaku (if I remember correctly his statements that is) and now Martial allegedly is playing hard ball to get a move out. I would have been curious to see Martial in a new role since Sanchez has locked down the left-wing (undeservedly last season, but so far looking good although pre-season means feck all).
Mourinho has regularly said that he is not clued in with the behind the scenes at United even last season.
It's quite reasonable to say that Mourinho has no idea when Martial comes back because he isn't really given the player details like that. He has said that about transfers many times, he gives a list and just waits for players to come.
The first part of that quote is factually incorrect. Jose Mourinho is not "angry" and "deeply unhappy" at Anthony Martial for leaving the pre-season tour to attend birth of child as he is on record as giving his blessing for this to happen. He appears to be upset at Martial for not returning within a short space of time, it this is the case then for me the time for his return should have been pre-agreed and I've not heard of any deadline he has gone over.
It is too easy for these claims to be made about him telling a team mate this or that which is how a lot of fake news tends to travel nowadays, so i'm gonna need a slightly more authoritative source preferably with more accountability than your average twitter user.
Speaking of his supposed bad attitude.
Has Jose ever mentioned anything about Martial's attitude? Directly or indirectly?
I can only remember him speaking on his ability & work rate, but the talk about Martial sulking and being miserable has come from body language experts and pundits who don't know anything, right?
The same pundits & experts who criticise Pogba for his haircuts and Lingard for his social media.
Has Jose ever mentioned anything about Martial's attitude? Directly or indirectly?
I can only remember him speaking on his ability & work rate, but the talk about Martial sulking and being miserable has come from body language experts and pundits who don't know anything, right?
The same pundits & experts who criticise Pogba for his haircuts and Lingard for his social media.
Mourinho has never claimed that yet that narrative persists with his followers...
Seems to be the same sort of unironic and lazy stereotypes that pundits and fans use in the same way 'pace and power" are used to describe the likes of Pogba and Rom 90% of the time
Always classy how fans love to tar and feather a players character on their way out...
Mourinho seems pretty keen on motivation via media, so it may just be that he was using that as a carrot to try to get Martial to commit to working around the birth to be with the team - after all, he's been asking to start matches, right?
Martial has to be getting advice from (at least) his agent, and going AWOL from training is a pretty terrible look for any player, even one who's trying to engineer a move away. What manager is going to want to be burdened with a player who can't be trusted to show up to work? I find it much more likely that he's simply taking his statutory leave and hasn't told Mourinho if he plans to be back early or take the whole lot. I may be wrong and Martial / agent are playing a different game, but it just strikes me as being a really dumb thing to do.
Jose said "I don't know" when asked about Martial Returning. If both are in sync and he knows when Martial is returning, he might have just said that. It clearly does not looks like the case. It does look like he's AWOL. It would'nt be a breach of contract if he says like "Thanks for the wishes, back to training soon" without hinting at the manager. Would directly make Jose's claim baseless.
Ok, I take your point.
But as I've mentioned, surely someone within the club will know what is going on with Martial? If Jose really wanted to find out, I'm sure he could.
However, it doesn't actually benefit him by knowing as like I say, he could view it as a good enough reason to ship him out the door without too much commotion among our fanbase.
If/when Martial leaves the club, only then will he be able to come out and tell us his side of things, and it wouldn't surprise me if it was completely different to what the media are suggesting.
Again, I'm not particularly sticking up for Martial here, but we need to look at the facts. At this moment in time, we don't really know much apart from what the media have whipped up.
No the question was whether he would be there when the team is back, not if he would return at all.
It is easy to make up rumours you’re right. But that was one of tweet of many and the fact is he hasn’t returned. It’s a hell of a coincidence.
We know he’s gone over a deadline. Mourinho himself said he should’ve been back for the Liverpool game. Utd’s own press secretary passed up the opportunity to tel us that all is well. What more do you want? Anthony Martial to admit it in a face to face conversation with you?
Holy crap
I'd be very surprised if someone at the club didn't know. You are probably right about that. And if Jose could be really bothered he could get on the phone with Ed and have him find out when he's supposed to come back.
But, it's also understandable for a manager to be told when his player is available. To have to go out of his way to find out is a bit disrespectful to the whole process involved in being part of a football team. Player availability would be one of the most basic things that should be given to the manager.
Why is it so easy to misquote Mourinho? Here is what he said.
Being upset about not leaving and training badly due to it is a lot different from saying that he isn't intense and doesn't work in training generally.
At least that's my impression when reading the full quote.
Start of Mourinho's second season he said after Martial's poor season the season before he said:
https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...rtial-happier-manchester-united-jose-mourinho
Martial said similar in an interview at the same time, so both him and Mourinho put down his poor form in Martial's second season to him being unhappy.
Whatever he's allowed, all signs point to him having gone about it the wrong way at the moment. This on top of previous complaints about his attitude, often being lax on the pitch, not seeming to improve or be willing to put the effort in to nail down an open spot (right side)...bored of him.
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