The Missing Martial thread

[Kag]

I tend to go by a rule not to get into back and forths with those who claim their own opinions a fact or make self-declerations on how right they are as it says a lot about the person.

If you want to believe as a fact that a player with his minutes can't secure a first team place then go for it.

I said that it's a fact that Martial seldom starts consecutive matches under Mourinho, especially in relation to many other players at the club. You're not arguing with me but with the numbers?

On the whole, I don't think Martial has had a proper run in the first team under Mourinho, no. I imagine his longest run was in the first couple of months of his reign, which would indicate to me that Mourinho just doesn't fancy him that much. The game time merely serves to show that.

 

[Tincanalley]

Remember when Martial was the ice-cool assassin? He's a lovely footballer, one of the few on the roster who can go past defenders, but has there really been a problem with his attitude? Let me just rehash what I think I know. He got the shirt, yet didnt seem to thrive as he should have, when say Zlatan was here. Was he too lackadaisacal? Maybe he's the personality type that doesn't work with Jose, much like Berba didn't work with another manager? Seems fair enough he wants to spend time with partner and baby. But his agent and he seem have decided wantaway, anyway so maybe the baby thing is just part of a protest; seems like it, as now he has not joined the tour group. Gone past the point of repair? Probably. Probably the club had too many choices in some positions and not in others, he might have felt the Rashford/Martial one-for-the-price-of-two rotation system was demeaning. Seems like it might be damage limitation time.

 

[Mainoldo]

So did Martial by leaving and not saying anything, or did you forget that?
Also many more players have come out and praised Mourinho than stood by Martial, mate.

The players didn’t know he was having a baby?

Lol let them down you know. It was pre season!!

 

[villain]

I'm just gonna leave this video here;


If you don't want to play a role in a team game, then you can leave.
Regardless of who's manager.

 

[Tincanalley]

I'm just gonna leave this video here;


If you don't want to play a role in a team game, then you can leave.
Regardless of who's manager.

Point taken.

 

[villain]

The players didn’t know he was having a baby?

Lol let them down you know. It was pre season!!

It's not that he left, its that he didn't care to say anything, or say when he'd be back, or say his gf was having trouble.
Sure we don't know what went on behind closed doors, but when was the last time a player just disappeared and the manager had no idea about it?

The fact that its pre-season and we had no recognised striker you'd think that Martial, who says his best position is up front, seemingly didn't care to really take that chance while Lukaku was on holiday.

 

[Santoryo]

It's quite funny and ironic seeing people claiming Martial has poor attitude(baseless claim) and it being one of the reasons they want him gone/swapped while at the same time championing a prospect arrival of William who himself has actually proven very poor attitude and disrespect toward his previous manager.

 

[Canagel]

Totally agree with this . I think he will thrive under Sarri if he goes to Chelsea . He would probably play in the centre forward role and excel there . It's so frustrating that Mourinho uses all his efforts in criticising the young players instead of integrating them . I felt with Rui Garia gone and Carrick plus McKenna in we will aim for more attacking play but looks like instead of proper attacking games we have more chances of a Mourinho meltdown since he seems to be losing it in pre season . I rather we held on to Martial then lose him because I feel Mourinho won't be around by the end of this coming season .

This board made the wrong appointment. If they wanted these young players to continue developing and improving then they simply hired the wrong man. Martial was the best teenage player in the world in 2015/16. He scored 17 goals in all comps I think. Willian has never scored more than 15 in one season. Last year Martial scored more goals in significantly less playing time. 9 goals to 6 for Willian. He hasn't suddenly become a bad player over time. His potential is frightening under the right manager.

 

[breakout67]

Martial played 6 games in a row just before Sanchez came in. During the winter period he started 6 games in a month.

At the start of 16/17 he started 3 games in a row, the loss to Watford saw a restructuring of the team without Martial, Mkhitaryan and Rooney.

 

[Adisa]

If we are using him in a swap. I would hope it is for a better player than fecking Willian.
All the Chelsea fans I know are perfectly happy for him to feck off.

 

[Ranchero]

Are you happy to see statistically our best attacker leaving to rival clubs?

Martial is "statistically our best attacker". Where are you getting that?

 

[Lennon7]

Sell him back to Monaco or try to swap him with Dembele or Pullisic maybe?... I don't think We should let him go to a rival at all, swap deal or no swap deal. If Willian is to come here, I want the transfer to be unrelated to Martial.

Too late, our window shuts next Thursday. Would have to be a rapid process!

 

[ash_86]

If we are using him in a swap. I would hope it is for a better player than fecking Willian.
All the Chelsea fans I know are perfectly happy for him to feck off.

And so are we for Martial. Match made in heaven!!

 

[breakout67]

Martial is "statistically our best attacker". Where are you getting that?

You get to that conclusion by only looking at one stat which is minutes per goal. Which is amateur level statistical analysis.

By that same Metric, Morata at Madrid was as good as Messi, and Morata at Chelsea is as good as Lukaku. Anyone with half a brain knows that's bollocks, just like Martial being our statistically best attacker.

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

It's just rumours folks. If Woodward took the suggestion of swapping Martial with Willian infront of the United board, he would be sacked there and then. It's not going to happen. Martial will likely be sold in January if Jose isn't sacked by then as we can't replace him in this window.

 

[Santoryo]

Once again - no player is bigger than the club.



Has the manager abandoned his colleagues like Martial has?

He does it every time we lose a game. Where have you been the past 2 seasons, especially last one.

Also if attending family's matters equals to abandoning your colleges in your eyes than God have mercy on our souls.

 

[Pexbo]

It's quite funny and ironic seeing people claiming Martial has poor attitude(baseless claim) and it being one of the reasons they want him gone/swapped while at the same time championing a prospect arrival of William who himself has actually proven very poor attitude and disrespect toward his previous manager.

How is it a baseless claim when we watch him choose not to track back and choose not to work hard and press in the oppositions half every single game he plays?

He’s capable of some absolutely brilliant things when he has the ball in his favourite position and he gets to take players on and attack the box. Outside of that there is very little substance to his play. The fact he hasn’t worked on this and doesn’t make an effort to improve it, especially when he’s playing for a manager who demands it is as clear a sign of a poor attitude as you can get. You don’t need to see him sitting down in training or answering back to the manager to know that, all the evidence is clear in how he plays and what he decides he doesn’t have to do.

He’s still a young player, he might think he has made it but he has done feck all so far in the grand scheme of things. He wants a freedom and a role that players like Ronaldo, Hazard, Suarez and co have at their club but he doesn’t seem to understand how much they worked for their managers and did on the field before they were afforded that luxury.

 

[Mainoldo]

It's not that he left, its that he didn't care to say anything, or say when he'd be back, or say his gf was having trouble.
Sure we don't know what went on behind closed doors, but when was the last time a player just disappeared and the manager had no idea about it?

The fact that its pre-season and we had no recognised striker you'd think that Martial, who says his best position is up front, seemingly didn't care to really take that chance while Lukaku was on holiday.

Seeing as we don’t know. Why are you assuming?

Take his chance to do what? When Lukaku returns he will play upfront regardless of what Martial does on pre-season. Did we not have Sanchez and Greenwood to play upfront?

 

[Santoryo]

And so are we for Martial. Match made in heaven!!

No we aren't.

sigh some of you lots can be unbearable.

 

[serxyo]

Is he going to Munich?

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

The one bright point of this thread is, it is taken over from Ronaldo Vs Messi as the worst thread on the CAF. Atleast the Ronaldo Vs Messi thread is argued over facts and preference. This thread is just argued over baseless claims (some of them are mine) and rumours.

 

[breakout67]

No we aren't.

sigh some of you lots can be unbearable.

Why the feck are you saying WE

You aren't a united supporter, stop trying to portray yourself as one.

 

[Mainoldo]

How is it a baseless claim when we watch him choose not to track back and choose not to work hard and press in the oppositions half every single game he plays?

He’s capable of some absolutely brilliant things when he has the ball in his favourite position and he gets to take players on and attack the box. Outside of that there is very little substance to his play. The fact he hasn’t worked on this and doesn’t make an effort to improve it, especially when he’s playing for a manager who demands it is as clear a sign of a poor attitude as you can get. You don’t need to see him sitting down in training or answering back to the manager to know that, all the evidence is clear in how he plays and what he decides he doesn’t have to do.

He’s still a young player, he might think he has made it but he has done feck all so far in the grand scheme of things. He wants a freedom and a role that players like Ronaldo, Hazard, Suarez and co have at their club but he doesn’t seem to understand how much they worked for their managers and did on the field before they were afforded that luxury.

Expected better from you.

 

[Ranchero]

Is he going to Munich?

No. Not at Manchester Airport... not in the confirmed squad for Bayern

 

[acnumber9]

Are you happy to see statistically our best attacker leaving to rival clubs?

Why would you care? You clearly have no commitment so you can follow your favourite player wherever he goes. There’s no stakes for you.

 

[villain]

He does it every time we lose a game. Where have you been the past 2 seasons, especially last one.

Also if attending family's matters equals to abandoning your colleges in your eyes than God have mercy on our souls.

That's the biggest hyperbole I've seen.
There's just as many quotes of Mourinho defending his players, than there is of him criticising his players.
It's just a better story to paint him as a miserable git.

Seeing as we don’t know. Why are you assuming?

Take his chance to do what? When Lukaku returns he will play upfront regardless of what Martial does on pre-season. Did we not have Sanchez and Greenwood to play upfront?

I'm not assuming. Martial left, and the club didn't know when he would come back.
The problem wasn't that he left, the problem was we didn't know when he would return and as a result our pre-season plans had to change as a result.

Take his chance to impress, to improve his fitness ahead of the season - if his issue was that he's not starting enough games then why not try and force the issue by being too good to bench?
We played with 2 up front in pre-season, there's no reason why there's not a chance to do so in the regular season, is there not?

 

[villain]

How is it a baseless claim when we watch him choose not to track back and choose not to work hard and press in the oppositions half every single game he plays?

He’s capable of some absolutely brilliant things when he has the ball in his favourite position and he gets to take players on and attack the box. Outside of that there is very little substance to his play. The fact he hasn’t worked on this and doesn’t make an effort to improve it, especially when he’s playing for a manager who demands it is as clear a sign of a poor attitude as you can get. You don’t need to see him sitting down in training or answering back to the manager to know that, all the evidence is clear in how he plays and what he decides he doesn’t have to do.

He’s still a young player, he might think he has made it but he has done feck all so far in the grand scheme of things. He wants a freedom and a role that players like Ronaldo, Hazard, Suarez and co have at their club but he doesn’t seem to understand how much they worked for their managers and did on the field before they were afforded that luxury.

Great post.

I want him to succeed & there's no doubt he's a brilliant player. But he seemingly doesn't care to fight for the team especially when things don't go his way.

 

[acnumber9]

I know footballers have different jobs than us. But is it even legal to do this considering martial is legally entitled to paternity leave? Your not allowed to punish employees for taking it and at the end of the day thats what he is to jose

How many times does it have to be said that paternity leave is only legally allowed if you apply in advance and state how long it will be for?

 

[Ahsan_6386]

This board made the wrong appointment. If they wanted these young players to continue developing and improving then they simply hired the wrong man. Martial was the best teenage player in the world in 2015/16. He scored 17 goals in all comps I think. Willian has never scored more than 15 in one season. Last year Martial scored more goals in significantly less playing time. 9 goals to 6 for Willian. He hasn't suddenly become a bad player over time. His potential is frightening under the right manager.

Yeah I believe when we signed Mourinho he probably promised to integrate the young players along with showing great respect to the club about how it is his dream club and all . Our club was desperate for a big name with a history of winning trophies and Mourinho was available as simple as that . Problem is not him having problem with Martial . It's getting worse in a way . He has issues with other important players too . He has openly criticised Pogba,Shaw,Rashford and Lukaku last season too . Instead of keeping criticism in house he publicly slates his players . From the looks of it Pogba is also angling for a move away from United . I am quite worried about the coming season . I really want Mourinho to succeed but the signs are not good . He seems to be annoyed since Pre season and was not really giving a lot of chances or good remarks about our youth players .

 

[JohnnyKills]

If we are using him in a swap. I would hope it is for a better player than fecking Willian.
All the Chelsea fans I know are perfectly happy for him to feck off.

Yeah Chelsea fans are loving this. Imagine if the deal was reversed. We'd think they were mental.

 

[Mainoldo]

That's the biggest hyperbole I've seen.
There's just as many quotes of Mourinho defending his players, than there is of him criticising his players.
It's just a better story to paint him as a miserable git.



I'm not assuming. Martial left, and the club didn't know when he would come back.
The problem wasn't that he left, the problem was we didn't know when he would return and as a result our pre-season plans had to change as a result.

Take his chance to impress, to improve his fitness ahead of the season - if his issue was that he's not starting enough games then why not try and force the issue by being too good to bench?
We played with 2 up front in pre-season, there's no reason why there's not a chance to do so in the regular season, is there not?

Who said we didn’t know where he was? I’m sure a phone call could have sorted that out if that was the case. We knew he went to have a baby.

He’s no further behind on his fitness than any of the players not on pre-season. If it was a liked player we would have been happy he had the baby now than during a league campaign. Even during a league campaign it’s a lot easier to return to training as training isn’t 10 hours on a plane.

I would say this, to ease us fans he should have been posting Velocity training during the World Cup on insta so atleast we could visually say he gives a damn. That’s my only criticism; it sounds stupid but it’s the world we live in today.

 

[ash_86]

No we aren't.

sigh some of you lots can be unbearable.

As unbearable as Martial FC fan boys? I don't think so.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

Better players came and left but where did it leave us? Our loss is another teams gain.

Sold lots of players for the good of the team, and obviously it is a gain to the buying team. Here’s a few - Ince, Kanchelskis, Beckham,RVN, Di Maria.

 

[Santoryo]

As unbearable as Martial FC fan boys? I don't think so.

Is there an official name for you Mourinho cultists yet?

 

[ash_86]

Is there an official name for you Mourinho cultists yet?

Yes. It's called supporting the manager of your club.

 

[villain]

Who said we didn’t know where he was? I’m sure a phone call could have sorted that out if that was the case. We knew he went to have a baby.

He’s no further behind on his fitness that any of the players not on pre-season. If it was a liked player we would have been happy he had the baby now than during a league campaign. Even during a league campaign it’s a lot easier to return to training as training isn’t 10 hours on a plane.

I would say this to ease us fans he should have been posting Velocity training during the World Cup on insta so atleast we could visually say he gives a damn. That’s my only criticism; it sounds stupid but it’s the world we live in today.

I didn't say we didn't know where he was, I said we didn't know when he'd come back.

The fact that he had a summer off, and his fitness is on track with players who went to the WC and had a holiday quite frankly isn't good enough especially for a player who has all the ability in the world. He could've easily started against Leicester, up front in his favoured position and played well enough to keep his place in the squad.

I dont want it to come across as though I don't like Martial. I love him as a player, he's one of the most exciting players we've had since Ronaldo.
But SAF was the one who would always say that no player is bigger than the club. We've seen bigger and better players come and go. There's just too much smoke in regards to his commitment, for there not to be anything there, and at that point as a fan it becomes hugely disappointing.

 

[Mainoldo]

Sold lots of players for the good of the team, and obviously it is a gain to the buying team. Here’s a few - Ince, Kanchelskis, Beckham,RVN, Di Maria.

Name me the 30 year old verterans that replaced them? A lot of us seem to have forgot what SAF and Manchester United stand for. Too busy kissing Mourinho’s arse.

 

[Ban]

No we aren't.

sigh some of you lots can be unbearable.

You talking about unbearable. Oh the irony.

 

[Red4Ever]

These Martial fanboys

 

[Red4Ever]

He's just said 'sorry but family comes first'. You've got to believe him.

That’s why he was banging someone after his first kid was born

 

[Santoryo]

Yes. It's called supporting the manager of your club.

The same guy who is turning our club into a toxic environment with different factions.