Very disappointed this didn't go through. I've no doubt we'll be back in for him in January.
Fantastic player. See you soon, Toby.
Fantastic player. See you soon, Toby.
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
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Strange stance from Spurs. He's not going to stay and it's not like they will be playing him every week. They should have just given signs that they'd be willing to accept a reasonable price but they probably made it clear it's 75m or not happening. Instead he'll cost them millions in wages so he lost out, they lost out and we lost out.
Yeah I think we will too. I'd be disappointed if we didn't (assuming he doesn't sign a new contract by then)
Our squad has weaknesses, but if we can remain competitive until January and then sign a couple of good first XI players then, I'll feel confident.
That's not correct - it only drops for the last 2 weeks of the next summer's window
Could say the same about Martial, tbf
Hahahah glad you all find it so funny maybe I exaggerated a little for dramatic effect. Just can’t beleive we are so close to building a top side with just one more big window & we took our foot off the gas. Absolute joke that we didn’t get Alderweirald i just think he was perfect for us. I don’t blame mourinho for being so negative either, the man has immense pressure on his shoulders to deliver results & gets only one signing(I know it was 3 but basically only 1 first team player) . I don’t know where we go from here I really don’t. Mad to think this is his 3rd season in charge & we literally have no left back, right winger or quality centre half.
Get your shit together Ed!
Get your shit together Ed!
They’ll end up losing him for a lot less and he’ll probably not play. We’ll still be able to flog Martial for a shit load and he’ll probably play. So no.
Like many people in here I am also very disappointed that this didn´t work out. Hoped until the last minute that there would be a late agreement. He is one of the best defenders of the league and would have been a huge upgrade to your current options at CB. Maybe you could come back for him next summer, but one year is a long time in football so let´s see what happens.
I think Spurs also lost out in this saga because I cannot see him sign a new contract and he will most likely leave for 25m. Maybe Pochettino also remains reluctant to play him for like he already was last season so Toby will cost them a lot of wages without contributing a lot.
I think Spurs also lost out in this saga because I cannot see him sign a new contract and he will most likely leave for 25m. Maybe Pochettino also remains reluctant to play him for like he already was last season so Toby will cost them a lot of wages without contributing a lot.
So what exact date does his current contract expire?
Not exactly. There's no clause in Martial's contract, his prime will remain the same and the club he'd be signing for possibly don't even give him a pay rise.
I'd say the way they're looking at it, if they have to accept a lower amount, they'd prefer him to go abroad rather than to strengthen a rival in the Prem.
From Poch's comments the other day, he knows he's not going to be getting much game time so I wouldn't be surprised to see him cut his losses and accept a pay cut to join someone in Spain or Italy over the next few weeks.
You're basing that on the chances of Alderweireld not signing a new contract now the window has shut. It's possible.
Who will pay more than the £25m anyway in the next 3 weeks? And whatever above that they pay, is it worth having no cover at CB all season?
That's a fair point. It's a bit unfair really that Spurs can go for several seasons with about 3 centre backs who never get injured, while we have about 30 fellas constantly fighting each other for space on the physios bench.
Ok I guess that will be next summer then
Ship sailed, it was now or never for us. We'll have moved onto a younger player by next year.
He'd have been a decent signing but I'm not wildly bothered we didn't get him.
Let's see how Axel Tuanzebe does at Villa on loan. If he smashes the championship he'll be in contention here next year.
He'd have been a decent signing but I'm not wildly bothered we didn't get him.
Let's see how Axel Tuanzebe does at Villa on loan. If he smashes the championship he'll be in contention here next year.
Your guess is as good as mine, I have my views on Tony as a player I don’t really mind that he is ambitious. I don’t doubt that if he is played he will give 100%. He could still go in the next 3 weeks, probably the most logical solution.
Not till next July.
Has anyone else been linked with him?
I think it’s good personally. Sign him in Jan.
Less than 11 months..
Looks like we were not in for him. Woodward had one conversation with Levy this summer when the latter enquirer about the availability of Mata and Martial.
This.
Every time we significantly over pay, we set ourselves up for having to do so on the next signings.
In some ways, I think Woodie made an important statement this summer in saying that we will not be ripped off and we will walk away from deals if they aren’t reasonable.
How so?
How much are we going to pay for him in January? Maybe Jose should thank Levi for saving the club some money.
Not that I am aware of TBH, but if he is a top Europeon CB there must be someone.
Lol yes 11 months biglad
.Told yaLol yes 11 months biglad
I don't think we've had a single season where one of our first choice CBs hasn't been out for a few months.
Seems like Martial doesn't like Mourinho, Mourinho doesn't like Martial, and knowing Mourinho is reluctant to play him in case he proves him wrong. Sounds like a swap deal was on the cards, of which the merits/values can be debated until the cows come home, but it'll look a bit like a terrible decision if United end up a good CB away from the title and Martial is sat on the bench for it all.
The problem with that is it presumes clubs are desperate to sell to us. If we’re after a player all his club would have to do is ask for a ridiculously high fee and we’d just walk away. How many players could we potentially miss out on by trying to set this precedent?
Not saying you’re wrong, I’m just not convinced it’s such an exact science.
You do know that the negotiations usually involve an intermediary, right? So even if this story is true, that doesn't mean you haven't been trying to buy him all summer.
I'm quite sure Martial won't be sat on the bench. He got plenty of game time last season. He might even sign a new deal.
Anyway different situation to Toby. Martial is a young player with a healthy amount of time left on his contract. (No clauses either).
Spurs have lost themselves about £30m quid through stubbonness. If he decides to sit out his contract it will be a nightmare.
If he plays 0 games this season and is barred from the first team squad, who's going to want to buy him at 30? it's not in his interest to kick up a fuss now. Look at what Grealish has just posted - yes, he's disappointed not to have moved but he's a professional and cannot sulk just cos he didn't get what he wanted.
It's lose lose for Spurs though. They'll get no extra cash.
You said "If he decides to sit out his contract it will be a nightmare." and I suggest why that wasn't a realistic prospect.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45133827
If anyone wants exhibit A in why Ed Woodward should now be sacked. I tender this as evidence. Our club thought Toby would rank LAST on our CB depth chart.
That comment must be out of context as it literally makes no sense.https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/45133827
If anyone wants exhibit A in why Ed Woodward should now be sacked. I tender this as evidence. Our club thought Toby would rank LAST on our CB depth chart.
If we bought toby, we'd likely sell the "5th ranked" CB. The source is arguing that they valued Toby so little that they would be selling the fifth best CB (likely rojo) for a player they ranked at the same quality level.
Hence....Woodward needs to go.
Get him on a free next year.
Such a bullshit logic to base an article on and folks just eat it up. Woodward is clearly trying to change our bad habits regarding transfers. Seems stupid not to invest now, but in the long run it sends a message so we won't always be the suckers. Clubs like Barca shouldn't even entertain the thought of bidding for Pogba without giving up a top player or ridiculous money. Midlevel clubs are after our players, but can't afford the wages we have them on. It becomes a model where you buy overpriced players and offer them ridiculous wages, then have to sell them on the cheap if they don't work out. To change these things we have to be less desperate in the marked, which is what we're trying to do. Ironically we should be desperate for a leftback and a right winger. Howoever, maybe what happened this window will make later negotiations easier?
It certainly isn't a bad thing for Spurs to keep hold of Alderweireld but if they aren't going to play him, he would suit us for 25m in January.
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