How many players had done well after leaving the Ukrainian league though.
Anyway my point is simple. Fred represent a high risk signing. He's Brazilian (we've yet to sign one who was a success to us) who had never played in a decent league before.
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Anyway my point is simple. Fred represent a high risk signing. He's Brazilian (we've yet to sign one who was a success to us) who had never played in a decent league before.
voila its my post so no plagerism
Was somebody hyping him up in this thread for you to make that comment.....again? Most of the comments on Fred I've seen are optimistic but short of claiming he's going to be some world beater who elevates us to the title by himself.
I was assessing our transfers so far. I think he's a high risk signing whom at best can be considered as a squad player at least in his first year. I hope I am wrong though.
That's different argument and has nothing to do with your initial point.
All the players I mentioned have done well after leaving the league and there will be few more too.
of course it does. Our best signing is a player who did well in a fifth rated league who had produced 1 WC player in all its history. He's also Brazilian and we all know our track record with such players. All you have mentioned are mere exceptions of the case not the rule.
I think its unfair to pin such responsibility on him. The guy will need time to settle down and can be thrown in the spotlight like that. We know very well the pressures Fellaini had to pass from when he was in that same position and we're talking here of an EPL proven player here.
The only thing I’ll remember about this transfer deadline! Classic!
reckon we will sign him in the last hour for about 50m
Woody holding off to create a bit of excitement
Woody holding off to create a bit of excitement
Seems that all this talk about Alderweireld these past few months was a load of tosh anyway.
Perhaps he was on Mourinho's list but according to Pochettino in the Metro......
Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino says the club did not receive any offers from Manchester United for defender Toby Alderweireld.
Reports in The Times even suggested the Belgium international’s agent was on his way to England on Thursday morning to secure a deadline day deal.
However, Pochettino has rubbished those suggestions and insisted not a single bid was made for the 29-year-old’s services over the summer.
Perhaps he was on Mourinho's list but according to Pochettino in the Metro......
Tottenham manager Mauricio Pochettino says the club did not receive any offers from Manchester United for defender Toby Alderweireld.
Reports in The Times even suggested the Belgium international’s agent was on his way to England on Thursday morning to secure a deadline day deal.
However, Pochettino has rubbished those suggestions and insisted not a single bid was made for the 29-year-old’s services over the summer.
You can negotiate for a player without making an official offer. Poch saying this doesn't mean anything.
Can't see how we can possibly go without signing Alderweireld or a similar CB but at the same time it can't be long now before the inevitable "Manchester United have given up on a CB, they say they're very happy with their squad and their business this year including the irrepressible Lee Grant, and are more than confident of winning a Premier League and Champions League double".
Why is everyone so desperate for a CB all of a sudden? Before the summer everyone agreed we needed full backs and a RW. Now there's talk of it being a disaster if we don't sign a DB on deadline day.
We need to play out from the back with better transition and stop leaking in big games as Jose does not force the issue.
Because one world class leader at the back can patch everything together and inspire confidence throughout the team.
Because despite having a tonne of defenders at our disposal we're still about as solid as the Maginot Line.
Indeed we probably called Spurs, got an indication on what the price would be and went elsewhere
Seem to be only Mirror pushing this now and there the paper to suggest he'll sign in 48 hours.
So last week we were 48 hours from signing TA...who doles out all this claptrap!
Our defensive record last season was quite good. Yes De Gea was largely to thank, but De Gea hasn't gone anywhere so who cares. It's our attack that is piss poor. A defender isn't going to be the difference between challenging City and not challenging City.
Most of the top players from that league have done very well after they moved to top European leagues.
Willian yes, Costa streaky. Who else is there?
Defenders contribute in attack who can pass the ball forward and help in transition.
Unless we're playing De Bryune in defence it'll make no difference.
We hoof the ball so much. You watch teams like Madrid, Bayern, and Juve it's a stark contrast to how confident their defenders are by being able to play out from the back. We'll never be able to do it if we have Smalling in the team, along with Young at LB who has to check inside to his right foot everytime before passing.
It does make a lot of difference actually.
With a confident ball playing CD bring the ball out of defence, it allows your midfield to push on rather than dropping deeper to collect the ball.
This has a knock on effect, because your team retains its shape and your midfield have greater licence to influence your attacks.
Alderweireld will hoof the ball too. He might be more accurate with it but that's still what will happen. One defender will never transform an attack. A good RW and a couple quality full backs would bring so much more to our team.
Fernandinho for one. Sure there have been others.
We do.
Lindelof is supposed to be a ball playing CB and he has made literally zero difference, so sorry but I disagree that a defender will make any difference to the way we attack.
He's a bit shit defensively, so it negates any positive impact the guy can make.
Fernandinho, Mkhitaryan, Elano if just for a season.
What a royal cock up we have made of this window. We have 19 points and 40 goals to make up to challenge city.It was widely agreed that the priorities were 2 top wing backs / full backs another top class Centre mid and a right winger. We also hoped we would sell Darmian,Blind and either Rojo or smalling or Jones and get a top CB. We also hoped we would finally get rid of Fellaini
Throughout the window we have been strongly linked with a number of game changing top players with at times some of them looking nailed on
Bale
Perisic
Willian
Maguire
Toby
Sandro
And we end up with Fred, a young kid and a 3rd team goalie !!
We got rid of Blind but Darmian and the 2nd rate centre backs are still here and not only is Fellaini still here he has a new bloody contract
Biggest club in the world !! We’r a laughing stock
Throughout the window we have been strongly linked with a number of game changing top players with at times some of them looking nailed on
Bale
Perisic
Willian
Maguire
Toby
Sandro
And we end up with Fred, a young kid and a 3rd team goalie !!
We got rid of Blind but Darmian and the 2nd rate centre backs are still here and not only is Fellaini still here he has a new bloody contract
Biggest club in the world !! We’r a laughing stock
It will make enough difference to get the ball forward a lot quicker than what we do with Smalling and Jones while defensively being better in the box.
2 more hours and then i can stay away from this thread 
We’re only a laughing stock because the media are telling you we are...
We’ve replaced Carrick with Fred, we’ve got a back up for Valencia/Young.
Do we need a centre back? I’d say no...play Lindelof and Bailly, players that Jose himself bought, for £65m, and let them build up a partnership and understanding over a number of games without chopping and changing...
Then if they don’t perform, buy a new CB next year...
I’m starting to think this won’t happen. feck all of yous
Kmt! Fecking bollocks.
I’m really not sure why people continue to believe what the media spout. In addition, the drama queens on here wouldn’t be happy whatever we did.
I thought we would get in a couple more players, but everyone should get some perspective - look at what’s happening at the majority of clubs in the PL, nothing. Too many clubs just don’t have to sell, and so there’s no point in just throwing millions of pounds on any old crap. Utd, City, Chelsea and Spurs have barely bought anyone, it’s not as if it’s just us.
At least we can now concentrate on the actual football, no-one ever got any prizes for winning the transfer window. Come on Utd.
The problem with that is both are weak in the air, add to that De Gea who's only real weakness is he doesn't come to claim crosses and you have a tactic that's many English clubs like to use that would make us vulnerable, even to players as limited as Andy Carroll.
Plus Bailly is always injured and that's not Jose's fault
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