Bailly and Lindelof

[VP89]

You cant just throw 3 midfielders together and expect them to click straight away thats going to take weeks/months with hiccups along the way. One is a kid with no real experience of the position or playing it against PL opposition. People keep saying its Brighton for f*ck sake which is a joke. The margin between them and us if we are not on our game is small. As it is for anyone not doing the basics. They've been doing it now for over a season to teams just like us.

They aren't just "thrown in together" though are they? Fred and Perrera have been training together for a full pre season and their roles haven't changed. Pogba has been in the mix with them for two weeks.

Brighton is a really tumescent side, they were dominated by Watford so there is no excuse whatsoever for them not being dominated by us.

 

[RedorDead21]

They aren't just "thrown in together" though are they? Fred and Perrera have been training together for a full pre season and their roles haven't changed. Pogba has been in the mix with them for two weeks.

Brighton is a really tumescent side, they were dominated by Watford so there is no excuse whatsoever for them not being dominated by us.

I don't think training together is any basis for saying they've played together. I get the point it was a horror show and not one anyone can say Jose teams throw up regularly. Yes we may be usually dull in attack but we are usually hard to beat! As a Jose fan I have to concede I'm not sure it's a good fit. Even with an amazing back 4 yes we would have won that game but if I freeze play at any given time our players are holding positions so well that anyone on the ball really does have to be Zidane to beat 2 players and play the pass. Options are just so limited. That's the bit I think is the reason we might have to change. Whether they just don't want to offer themselves, whether they are being told not to offer themselves is really irrelevant. It's happening and you won't win enough matches to challenge with that style.

 

[ZlatMan]

Both need a calming and asserted partner in defence. Bailly is too aggressive while Lindelöf lacks aggression. Smalling is the ideal partner despite being shit on the ball. I have never seen him playing this badly like Bailly in years

 

[Dr Fink]

Bailly and Lindelof: Laurel and Hardy? Awful. Bailly has always had the potential to have a game like this; too headstrong, jumps in without thinking. Lindelof: just asleep. And to think, a lot on here slagged off Jones and Smalling.............just a thought.

 

[Leftback99]

They will be a target for the opposition on set pieces every week due to how weak they are in the air. We might get away with it at home when we are more dominant but away will be a different story.

After last week it took one game to prove one of their many flaws. The worry is why Mourinho picked them.

 

[Sylar]

Blind has left United silly billy

I know. I meant I would start Bailly and Lindelof vs Spurs (not Smalling and Blind lol)

 

[Grande]

After last week it took one game to prove one of their many flaws. The worry is why Mourinho picked them.

I don’t know what would be most stupid: claiming they are the dog’s bisquits after one game together, or to say they are hopeless after two games together.

I’m inclined to be satisfied knowing both are equally idiotic statements.

 

[sdb4884]

My God we have so many shit centre backs

 

[gerdm07]

I might be in the minority but I think a Bailly/Lindelof pairing is our future and I hope we stick with them for another month to evaluate. Bailly needs good coaching but his upside is tremendous. He's athletic, quick, strong, tall and has a decent touch. Lindelof also needs some good coaching but you only have to look at his success in the WC to see there is quality. Lastly, let's look at the goals on Saturday. The first goal was quality and I'm not sure too many CBs would have prevented the goal. Yes the positioning was poor that allowed the through pass while keeping the player onside. The 2nd was off a corner and, newsflash, teams score off corners occasionally no matter what the defense does. The 3rd was De Gea's mistake with the hospital ball to Fred. Bailly did make the mistake of fouling in the box when he should have trusted that his keeper had a decent chance of making a save given the angle. Players learn from these mistake by playing.

I'm not ready to go back to Smalling and Jones just yet.

 

[Grande]

Baillys potential could be spotted by Stevie Wonder (apologies to any blind folk reading this, no offence), Lindelof’s is a bit more more of a grower than a shower but I think the growth is obvious and given a couple of seasons and okemty if games we will really come to appreciate him.

Lindelof is my “surprise of 18/19”. Think he will be a fan and media favourite by Christmas.

Blind has left United silly billy

You two need to get your stories straight.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Baillys potential could be spotted by Stevie Wonder (apologies to any blind folk reading this, no offence)

 

[Miscemayl]

Who signed them up for Space Jam 2?!

 

[Nytram Shakes]

That’s been abundantly clear from day one. Majority of people on this forum wouldn’t know a footballer if one slapped them in the face.

Disagree with that his first 4 or 5 games where pretty good, but the fact that he has never really got close to that form since and really has been outplayed by Jones Smalling and even Rojo and Blind since has gone unnoticed in this forum until this weekend.

 

[Chris60]

When we signed no RW I fully expected a 3 at the back system. Maybe that would make it worse, but perhaps an extra CB would give Bailly and Lindelof more help?

In all honesty I don't see any direction in where we're going in any area of the pitch, its all guess work isn't it. The lack of spending was fairly obvious to me the board lack faith in the manager

 

[MrSingh2002]

I just think we got popped yesterday because the whole defence wasn't narrow enough when defending. Young was too far forward leaving Bailly and then Lindelof exposed as a consequence.

If the 4 of them were tighter we wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad. Maybe this is what happens when Mourinho is under pressure to play attacking football.

Jose with his usual compact team shouldn't struggle against Brighton. We were way too open and midfield attacking too much didnt help.

 

[Cassidy]

I just think we got popped yesterday because the whole defence wasn't narrow enough when defending. Young was too far forward leaving Bailly and then Lindelof exposed as a consequence.

If the 4 of them were tighter we wouldn't have been anywhere near as bad. Maybe this is what happens when Mourinho is under pressure to play attacking football.

Jose with his usual compact team shouldn't struggle against Brighton. We were way too open and midfield attacking too much didnt help.

Except we didn't actually mount any sustained attacking play

 

[Cee90]

Both of them brought piss to a shit fight yesterday.

You certainly have a way with words.

 

[mad1max954]

Lastly, let's look at the goals on Saturday. The first goal was quality and I'm not sure too many CBs would have prevented the goal. Yes the positioning was poor that allowed the through pass while keeping the player onside...I'm not ready to go back to Smalling and Jones just yet.

Sorry but the first goal was horrific defending. Bailly should of come across sooner (his pace almost made up for it) but Lindelof let his man run across him and get to the ball at the front post first - that is school boy defending really.

I agree with your assessment on the 3rd goal though and on the second goal I watched it back and thought De Gea should of made more of an effort to get to it. It was on his 6 yard line, he doesnt come for it and then its ping pong in the area. All 3 are terrible goals to concede.

I dont want to see Smalling and Jones again either but I think we will. Shambles.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Disagree with that his first 4 or 5 games where pretty good, but the fact that he has never really got close to that form since and really has been outplayed by Jones Smalling and even Rojo and Blind since has gone unnoticed in this forum until this weekend.

Eh... No... there’s been plenty of people on here who didn’t get caught up in the Bailly hype. Going back to last season, never mind this last weekend.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Eh... No... there’s been plenty of people on here who didn’t get caught up in the Bailly hype. Going back to last season, never mind this last weekend.

plenty but not the majority.

 

[acnumber9]

Disagree with that his first 4 or 5 games where pretty good, but the fact that he has never really got close to that form since and really has been outplayed by Jones Smalling and even Rojo and Blind since has gone unnoticed in this forum until this weekend.

He was the beneficiary of the usual rhetoric on here. New player replacing universally loathed player gets overhyped. The same happened with Darmian and happened with Bailly because people hate Smalling and Jones. It still happens despite the regular evidence to the contrary.

 

[sincher]

Hugely silly stuff being posted on here about this game I think. It was not a great performance at all and there were some bad mistakes but Bailly has not become crap overnight and even yesterday one or two incidents are being amplified a little too much. It was a very poor challenge for the penalty but that has happened to virtually every defender at some stage. I still really like Bailly and I hope we stick with him. Lindelof I feel has not earnt his place in the team in the first place. I also think the likes of Pereira and Mata are very unfortunate, having been hooked at half time but not really having done much wrong. The shape in midfield did not work but it was not their fault.

 

[sincher]

They aren't just "thrown in together" though are they? Fred and Perrera have been training together for a full pre season and their roles haven't changed. Pogba has been in the mix with them for two weeks.

Brighton is a really tumescent side, they were dominated by Watford so there is no excuse whatsoever for them not being dominated by us.

They played a lot better against us than against Watford and their tactics were better. Just like we will I am sure play a lot better against Spurs than we did in this game.

 

[ThaReaper01]

They were both very poor but they haven’t played much together. Not trying to make excuses but you can’t just cut and run after one poor outing. They need time to gel and get comfortable not hurt with each other but with Perreira and the fullbacks. If this was a scrappy 1-0, this would be perpetuated. But because they shipped 3, there’s panic. 0 points is 0 points no matter how many goals are conceded.

When the team, as a whole is settled, I think they’ll improve. The fear is that José doesn’t decide to go entirely defensive as a reaction to this.

 

[simplyared]

Any combination including Lindelöf is a weakened combination imv. End of story!

 

[sparx99]

At age 24 they are both relatively young for centre-backs with a plenty of time to work on their game. A lot of the mistakes at Brighton seemed symptomatic of new partnerships all over the field.

Young as a RB with Bailly must have been fairly rare last season if seen at all. Bailly/Lindelof have played two games together as a pairing. The midfield trio has played 2 games together. Mata and Young have not played too much together on the right.

 

[Devil81]

Both can rot in the reserves for me, as shite as Smalling and Jones are I trust them more than this pair of clowns.

Lindelof is never United quality.

 

[VP89]

They played a lot better against us than against Watford and their tactics were better. Just like we will I am sure play a lot better against Spurs than we did in this game.

Let's see how Brighton fare against Liverpool too. Will be interesting to see them again a similar level opposition.

 

[WR10]

They looked insanely solid the game against Leicester and then against Brighton I thought I was living a nightmare. It was actually terrifying watching them, it was like I couldn’t get my eyes off a train wreck. However, it very much looked like one of those games where when it rains it pours and I am not going to hold it against them.

I really hope Mourinho doesn’t drop them now because I think they have fantastic potential together. I really liked Lindleofs close ball control at times.

 

[Leftback99]

I don’t know what would be most stupid: claiming they are the dog’s bisquits after one game together, or to say they are hopeless after two games together.

I’m inclined to be satisfied knowing both are equally idiotic statements.

I've seen very little to change my mind on either of them since the first time they played for us.

 

[tob]

I’d keep Lindelöf in the team and drop Bailly.
Bailly’s concentration just goes off from time to time, and I think he’s really slow on reading the game. Lindelöf has got more potential to be a better all around defender. He’ll learn from his mistakes and improve. He’s a little too weak and needs to bulk up, but I think he’s got the right mindset and professionalism in him to have a good career at United.

Anyhow, we really need a leader in the back line. None of our central defenders are a leader, but Smalling or Jones should really step up now. One of them together with Victor would be my choice.

 

[Dirty Schwein]

Of the two, think Lindelof has the highest potential. Bailly is just rash. But to be honest, they're both not worth the money spent on them.

 

[lewwoo]

Lindelof has the higher potential of the two and the one I would stick with. Bailly makes me nervous every time he is near the ball or opposition.

 

[AlwaysRed66]

They looked insanely solid the game against Leicester and then against Brighton I thought I was living a nightmare. It was actually terrifying watching them, it was like I couldn’t get my eyes off a train wreck. However, it very much looked like one of those games where when it rains it pours and I am not going to hold it against them.

I really hope Mourinho doesn’t drop them now because I think they have fantastic potential together. I really liked Lindleofs close ball control at times.

I expect all our opponents are wishing the same.

 

[jmaggio]

Bailly is so rash and times his tackles pretty badly sometimes.

He reminds me of myself playing 5 a side as a slow as feck lump trying to tackle some of the semi professionals we have in our league, try as I might to time it right i always hack them down. (Not saying Bailly is unfit or not talented, just his positioning leaves him
In positions such as this.)

 

[tomaldinho1]

Think we should stick with them - they are Mou signings and he must have bought them for a reason. RW is still a much much bigger concern.

 

[adexkola]

They deserve a run of games. If they're hopeless 10 games in then switch it up.

 

[BlueHaze]

Leicster got Maguire for 17m£, we got Lindelöf for 30m£, just let that sink in.

 

[nainaisson]

Think we should stick with them - they are Mou signings and he must have bought them for a reason. RW is still a much much bigger concern.

I think having a No.10 playing as No.6 compounded how bad they were yesterday. Having Matic in front of them instead could make them look decent.

 

[99withaflake]

If Bailly starts against Spurs, I will turn to religion and starting praying for this guy.

He was an absolute nervous wreck against Brighton, so a game against one of the best teams in the league, with about 10 times more pressure because of last week, it could get even worse.

Hope he proves a lot of us wrong.