Matt Busby used to instil in his players that they had a duty to play for and entertain the supporters, and Fergie was the same; if any of our current squad are guilty of not playing because they don't like the manager they are not worthy of playing for Manchester United. Maybe Jose isn't popular with them, but that's no excuse for pathetic, disgraceful performances like this.We are an absolute disgrace, truly. Jose has to go now for me. The only reason the players can put in performances like that is because they're not playing for the manager. How else can they be that lacklustre? They can't call themselves professionals if they are playing for Mourinho with perfomances like that. No urgency, no desire. Just awful.
I know Klopp get's a lot of stick on here for his high fives and such....but christ I wish we got him when we had the chance. At least you can see he inspires his players, has a way of playing they all understand and execute. Same with Pep. We just look totally clueless.
We need big changes but most importantly we need the right changes. No more more just throwing money at things hoping they will fix the problems.
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Thought he played really well first half against Leicester.i dont see Fred. Hope he improves but he brings little to the team at the moment.
Have you watched both our games?I honestly think there is far to much over reaction, I think you will beat us next Monday.
The reaction isn't a surprise. Many Man Utd fans have had enough of Jose and the football United play under him. I've been patient with him and always get behind our managers, I even supported David Moyes until it was impossible to do so.I honestly think there is far to much over reaction, I think you will beat us next Monday.
We probably will, but then, that's what we did last year.I honestly think there is far to much over reaction, I think you will beat us next Monday.
The reaction is mainly due to the poor standard of football that we've been witnessing for a long time under Mourinho. If we won, people will say we played badly but who cares onto the next game 3 points in the bag etc.I honestly think there is far to much over reaction, I think you will beat us next Monday.
The last 3 games at OT have all been 1-0 to us... and they've all been dire games of football, so if we do win, it'll probably be in the same fashion.I honestly think there is far to much over reaction, I think you will beat us next Monday.
I have but it’s the start of the season and players will be tired. We were terrible against Newcastle but got the win, we were really good against Fulham but they are a bit of an unknown quantity. Jose has been Jose and if Lukaku had of finished that chance early on I’d say you would have won it. I get all the Jose out but honestly I don’t see who you can get that that will gauarantee a massive improvement.Have you watched both our games?
The big issues we have are glaring though. For a start we don't have enough touches in the opponent penalty box compared to the other top teams. We have no attacking threat down the right, which means an opponent can overload the middle and our left channel and we struggle. Our new midfield can't tackle (they got a combined 1 successful tackle against Brighton). Added to the problem that Jose has no real clue what our strongest 11 is so we're never a settled side.I have but it’s the start of the season and players will be tired. We were terrible against Newcastle but got the win, we were really good against Fulham but they are a bit of an unknown quantity. Jose has been Jose and if Lukaku had of finished that chance early on I’d say you would have won it. I get all the Jose out but honestly I don’t see who you can get that that will gauarantee a massive improvement.
We really don't move a lot do we. What was it, Brighton running 10km more than us?The football we play is shite, we need to play faster and move forward with the ball, instead of sideways and backwards.
Perhaps it is the most average, but I'd take that every day ahead of Moyes or LvG's second season.I hate it when I agree with the likes of Souness but he was right: this is the most average United team since the days before Fergie and redknapp was right when he said he had no idea what United's game plan was. I said it weeks ago - to howls o abuse - but we are little more than also-rans this season. Even gary Neville struggled to find positives because there weren't any. I can't name a man of the match because there wasn't one. The closest to it was fellaini who a least showed some passion for the shirt. Awful... and I wonder when the blind here will start telling us we'll beat Spurs 5-0
Agree - I feel as though every player's primary objective is to not lose possession - so they receive the ball and look for the easiest pass - usually sideways or backwards. Thos that actually look up realise there is no movement ahead of them, so they are forced to pass backwards as well. There is no risk taking, no adventure, no movement that forces the defenders to commit.The football we play is shite, we need to play faster and move forward with the ball, instead of sideways and backwards.
ABU media are loving it.Someone stick this up in the changing rooms. Shouldn’t need motivating but could do the trick.
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Keep comforting yourself that way.Mate, we don't have top players. Not even close.
We have 1 world class player, 3 very good players when they have their day, and the rest is painfully average at best.
They stopped Brighton attacking which after the first half showing was a complete turnaround, there is no way Hughton would have said to his team to sit back when we looked so easy at the back, go for the kill. We dominated the play, while not doing much with the ball but it shows we can dominate teams by playing a more attacking game, which is what my point is. We always sit back and try to hit on the counter attack, when in truth we should be attacking throughout and forcing the opposition back. Defence should be on the half way line helping the midfield and attack pressure. We never looked like causing problems because of the forward passing, Pogba missed his passes time and time again, our players made good runs but werent being picked out. Fred was the only player I could see that was willing to pass forward and to play a risky forward pass when an easier pass was on. Fred tried to get the team going but the players were not good enough.Not sure what match you were watching, but we needed 30 mins just to register a shot on target in the second half,and we barely created a single chance in the second half. Controlled the game and pinned them back, christ ...They had a 2 goal lead and they sat back because there was no need to push out and give us any space. We never looked likely to cause them any problems.
I don’t think it was just a few mistakes, it was countless mistakes, a few of which led to goals against. I’m not a fan of Mourinho’s football, and certainly don’t think he’s blameless in the overall situation (although there is plenty of blame to go around). My point was, playing against that team, even with the way Jose set the team up, it was an absolutely abysmal effort from the players.
So the players are just playing like this then, this isn't a hoofball instruction from Mourinho, all the players are just this awful at carrying out instructions, for multiple seasons? If you genuinely think we only lost that game because of a few mistakes and not because we got played off the park I have absolutely no idea what football match you were watching.
Comforting with what? This is much bigger problem than manager.Keep comforting yourself that way.
They stopped Brighton attacking which after the first half showing was a complete turnaround, there is no way Hughton would have said to his team to sit back when we looked so easy at the back, go for the kill. We dominated the play, while not doing much with the ball but it shows we can dominate teams by playing a more attacking game, which is what my point is. We always sit back and try to hit on the counter attack, when in truth we should be attacking throughout and forcing the opposition back. Defence should be on the half way line helping the midfield and attack pressure. We never looked like causing problems because of the forward passing, Pogba missed his passes time and time again, our players made good runs but werent being picked out. Fred was the only player I could see that was willing to pass forward and to play a risky forward pass when an easier pass was on. Fred tried to get the team going but the players were not good enough.
Agree wholeheartedly....unfortunately though, the modern day footballer no longer cares about the fans and as they know they have more power than the manager they can just keep serving up shite performances until eventually he gets the boot. It's wrong but it's just the way it is these days, sadly.Matt Busby used to instil in his players that they had a duty to play for and entertain the supporters, and Fergie was the same; if any of our current squad are guilty of not playing because they don't like the manager they are not worthy of playing for Manchester United. Maybe Jose isn't popular with them, but that's no excuse for pathetic, disgraceful performances like this.
Of course, Mourinho never loses when 1-0 up. On his right foot so it did not look likely to score. Same problem Knockaert had when it was still 0-0. Losing possession lost the game, Half a dozen times is all it takes. Or once if Lukaku had scored.I have but it’s the start of the season and players will be tired. We were terrible against Newcastle but got the win, we were really good against Fulham but they are a bit of an unknown quantity. Jose has been Jose and if Lukaku had of finished that chance early on I’d say you would have won it. I get all the Jose out but honestly I don’t see who you can get that that will gauarantee a massive improvement.
I agree with all of this.I'm still shocked as to what I was actually watching yesterday, I think our traveling fans were too as there was a lack of reaction from them after the full-time whistle; nobody could believe what had just happened in that 90 minutes.
It wasn't the fact that we'd just lost 3-2 to Brighton, it was the manner in which we lost. I've never seen such a flat uninspired performance were every single player was just plain bad. I can understand when teams have off days, whether that's just luck simply not being with you on the day or the team doesn't turn up but there are instances of brilliance and flashes of fight, so it can be forgiven and you move on. Yesterday just felt different. A few people have said it and I'll repeat it, there is something fundamentally wrong within the team if the likes of Pogba, Martial, Lukaku and Mata can not even fashion a single chance between them against a team like Brighton, this has happened on more than one occasion also.
Not to blame one individual but I sensed something was off when I saw the team walking out at the start. Martial had a face like thunder (more so than usual) and his body language was just all wrong, never looked interested from the start and I think that resonated with the team. His head is gone, that much is clear. He's not interested in playing for Mourinho or the club. Great talent but his attitude has to be questioned, he's a professional footballer. That being said, the rest of the team's attitude needs looking at too!
Back to the drawing board for me, something HAS to change!
Are you being serious?I've found a positive after the Brighton game..... we've gone from 7/1 to 25/1, I'm avin some of that. We'll get a whole lot better than the rubbish performance we sat thru yesterday. 25/1 is huge odds for us!
Two players who many fans don't think are up to playing for the club, & a third whose performances since joining in Jan are average at best. I admit that the latter three would certainly have been better than our awful CB pair, Fred & Young. At least Sanchez will be pleased he wont be blamed for this shocking display, & to give him his due always tries, which is more than I can say about Martial.It’s not just a question of team skills and playing systems. Immaturity is our main problem.
Yes we have a young squad with adequate playing skills. However, of the out players in yesterday’s game against Brighton, there were only 2 of them over 25 yrs in the starting line-up.
Fact is, our captain who has reached the age of 25, as skillful as he is, behaves like a 15 yr old on the pitch. We’ve added Fred to our squad who looks lost out there and in desperate need for some guidance. The ever important CB combination with Bailly and Lindelöf lacked any form of backbone, structure or communication between them. We can go on!
To our advantage you could say players the likes of Sanchez, Matic, Smalling and Valencia, all missing yesterday, can offer a certain amount of experience and leadership to the squad and one could argue what the outcome of yesterday’s game would have been with at least two of those players on the pitch.
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