The State of the Anti-United Media (Or just the state of the club it seems)

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We have Manchester City storming the league with attacking football, Liverpool getting to the Champions League final playing attacking football. With managers who speak to media with a laugh and joke.

We play crap football, with tactics I’d hate to see in the Championship these days. Lump the ball to the big man upfront. He’s meant to be one of the best managers in the world, that isn’t a tactic, that’s acceptance he doesn’t have a clue how to penetrate the opposition.

We are writing their own headlines at the moment.
 

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Sounds all very Rawkish to be banging on about the media. The manager is an odious and narcissistic twat and the play on the pitch is like watching a gutless version of Stoke.
 

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Most recent reports that the club have bothered denying come from The Sun. I notice the Mirror have chimed in too.

Firstly, rubbish. And you conveniently ignore the reports, including reports out of France, where "sources" say Pogba is happy and does NOT want to leave United. Do they feed your "95%" he wants to go narrative, or are they inconvenient for your point of view and thus don't warrant consideration?

Pot, meet kettle. The fact is we don't know what he was referring to when he spoke about being fined. Of course oppos like you and hysterical redcafe posters think the sky is falling. But in reality it is unlikely there is much of a story other than Pogba wants a pay rise in light of Sanchez' s arrival. That's when all this nonsense started.
Jose interview with Bein sport (where he was rude to the interviewer) shows pressure

Pogba's post game interview on Sky Sports was awkward and you could tell something is up, his comments and demeanour when he was asked about Jose's half time team talk were laughably telling
 

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After the game today it's been across the board Mourinho out. The call-in fans, the ex-player pundits, the tv-presenter pundits, the football writers. It's not so much an anti-United as an anti-Mourinho stance. I don't see any scathing criticism of Woodward (apart from supporters). I don't see any contextual pieces acknowledging the different directions the club has been going in whilst we've spent whatever much money we have since SAF.

If the club doesn't really want to match the image it tries to project with clear cut ambition, appointing a new manager will do the trick.
 

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This isn’t necessarily anti United, but the pro scouse agenda which has been becoming ever more nauseating since Klopp took charge.

“Liverpool spell will haunts Roy Hosgson so Crystal Palace would love to put Brakes on Runaway Reds”

They have won their first game and the media are calling them runaway :lol:

What’s going to be next

4 Goals in every game La
100% away win record LA
Salah getting a goal a game la.
 

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If you check any fan forum you will find a thread on the ‘bias media’. I think that there is a split between tv media and print media and a very distinct difference between the media being ‘anti’ one Club or another and being ‘pro’ a particular club. There can be no doubt for example that the media in general would love Liverpool to win the league, but that is not in itself ‘anti Utd’. You hear it in the commentary on Sky and it’s all over the press.

As for us, on balance, I think we get a reasonable ride out of it. Sky/BT are usually very positive about us (particularly BT) where sometimes I think I’m watching a different game to what Hargreaves, Owen and their main anchor are watching. We should probably bear in mind that Utd fans are a very large part of the subscription base so it is in their interests to be nice about us.

Print media is very different and we are getting slaughtered in it, sometimes unfairly. But let’s face it, we are dreadful at the moment and we have been since SAF left by our standards. We had 20 odd years of hegemony with very little criticism in the media, so this all now feels a little alien and ‘unfair’. If we ever become ‘challengers’ again, I suspect that the print media will fall back in line. Until then, we’d better get used to it.
 
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Just don't see why people waste time spitting venom about the media, all clubs think the media is against them, it's basically fan culture, lets just concentrate on the mess that is our club yeah.
 

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Just don't see why people waste time spitting venom about the media, all clubs think the media is against them, it's basically fan culture, lets just concentrate on the mess that is our club yeah.
You think arguing over the state of the club is going to be any more productive than arguing over the state of the media?
 

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Makes a hell of a lot more sense than the RAWK-ish nonsense of conspiracies against us. This place is turning into what everyone used to laugh about.
 

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Makes a hell of a lot more sense than the RAWK-ish nonsense of conspiracies against us. This place is turning into what everyone used to laugh about.
Man, its just a thread for discussing. You will find tinfoil hat loonies fans in all clubs, but this forum is not becoming almost a collective of them like at Blue-moon og Rawk. That is just not true, but here you are saying it because why? It is hyperbole probably because we lost and you thought, well i guess there are a lot of people in this thread right now moaning and making excuses, but it really hasn't been like that now has it? Just a regular thread on an interesting topic.
 

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There's an anti-Liverpool story at the top of the BBC mainpage which uses the phrase 'Crystanbul' in the headline.
 

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Jose interview with Bein sport (where he was rude to the interviewer) shows pressure

Pogba's post game interview on Sky Sports was awkward and you could tell something is up, his comments and demeanour when he was asked about Jose's half time team talk were laughably telling
They really weren't. Stop wumming.
 

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They really weren't. Stop wumming.
Its not wumming, people aren't saying things for the reaction of united fans so don't flatter yourself

Just amazed at how in denial some fans can actually be, for a player that really loves united and really cares about the club it's weird that his agent is completely willing to risk pissing him off alienating him and losing him by insulting scholes/the club.
 

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It implies nothing! The paranoia on here is getting mental.
What do you mean implies nothing? It’s literally in the title and the first few lines. All they had to say was Sanchez missed the game with injury. There is no excuse for the Martial lines either.
 

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The thing is, I don't think it's just the fan base that's a paranoid. I think the players are incredibly aware. Which is either the beginning of the end, or the early stages of a classic siege mentality.
 

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No shit Sherlock.

Stop getting wound up so easily. Do you rage at the Daily Mail too I gather?
No. How am I getting wound up easily? The lines about Martial are disgraceful. They are literally saying we fined him for seeing his son.
 

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There is no real agenda, they pretty much just state the truth. We're an a horrific footballing side. With soap opera dramas every week thanks to Jose, Ed, Pogba and agents.
 

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Its not wumming, people aren't saying things for the reaction of united fans so don't flatter yourself
Hilariously ironic, since you, as a Chelsea fan, signed up to a Manchester United forum. You clearly care about the club and/or its fans and their reactions to some degree. I would never, ever sign up to a Chelsea forum. So don't flatter yourself indeed.
Just amazed at how in denial some fans can actually be, for a player that really loves united and really cares about the club it's weird that his agent is completely willing to risk pissing him off alienating him and losing him by insulting scholes/the club.
Just amazed that you have ignored everything i wrote and come back with the same hyperbolic rubbish.

Is everything perfect at United? No. But let's analyze one of your hysterical claims:
Don _ Conte said:
I think its safe to say the relationship is extremely rocky and fairly safe to say Pogba would leave united if given the chance.
Absolutely not safe to say that Pogba would choose to leave United if given the chance. If he wanted to, he'd put in a transfer request or actually say something of substance, which he hasn't. Let's actually analyze what he has said specifically about the club just a few days ago: "“I have always loved the club. I have played for the Academy, I have played for the first team and it was a dream come true. And now it is even more of a dream come true, wearing this armband, because of the past: the players who have played here and those who have been wearing this."

Martial, who i believe does want to leave, has not said anything nice about the club recently, for example. Nor is Hazard waxing lyrical about Chelsea (and Hazard is desperate to leave).

You say people are in denial but you have been called out several times and not responded to the points at hand (you can check back earlier in the thread). So until you do, I will consider you a mystic meg or a wum, take your pick.
 

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Hilariously ironic, since you, as a Chelsea fan, signed up to a Manchester United forum. You clearly care about the club and/or its fans and their reactions to some degree. I would never, ever sign up to a Chelsea forum. So don't flatter yourself indeed.

People sign up to Redcafe because it is supposed to be the best forum for Football discussion, not because they hold an active interest in United specifically when compared to the other top teams in the league. I never said you would sign up to a Chelsea forum so thanks for a fact that no one asked for.

Just amazed that you have ignored everything i wrote and come back with the same hyperbolic rubbish.

Is everything perfect at United? No. But let's analyze one of your hysterical claims:

Absolutely not safe to say that Pogba would choose to leave United if given the chance. If he wanted to, he'd put in a transfer request or actually say something of substance, which he hasn't. Let's actually analyze what he has said specifically about the club just a few days ago: "“I have always loved the club. I have played for the Academy, I have played for the first team and it was a dream come true. And now it is even more of a dream come true, wearing this armband, because of the past: the players who have played here and those who have been wearing this."

This line is quite funny and if you truly believe that every time a player does want to leave they force it with a transfer request to prove that then there's not much I can really do to help your intelligence. On the flip side of your point about things he's saying, he has had opportunities to both speak about his agent disrespecting the club (which he hasn't) and deny that he will leave to another club or is looking too (which he hasn't)

Martial, who i believe does want to leave, has not said anything nice about the club recently, for example. Nor is Hazard waxing lyrical about Chelsea (and Hazard is desperate to leave).

Hazard has come out recently and said he is happy at the club, his family are happy and that he enjoys playing for Chelsea. You've made a mistake comparing this to the Hazard situation because its actually a lot more similar than you realise. Both players do have a part of them that wants to leave most likely but both of them leaving depends on certain things, in our situation the board allowing him to go and Madrid bidding what we deem high enough or consequently Chelsea showing the ambition to get him to stay. In yours it looks to rest more on if Jose stays mainly, and probably your style of football having an impact too (not proven but surely a logical point)

You say people are in denial but you have been called out several times and not responded to the points at hand (you can check back earlier in the thread). So until you do, I will consider you a mystic meg or a wum, take your pick.
 

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The sense of entitlement dripping off journalists tweets about Mourinho's pre-Spurs press conference is sickening.

Many of them who were in that very room have spent the week slaughtering him. Then they expect him to sit there like a Cheshire cat with a big grin on his face and answer questions for them. :rolleyes:
 

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If the club doesn't really want to match the image it tries to project with clear cut ambition, appointing a new manager will do the trick.
...and then in 2 years time, everybody will be calling for the head of that new manager.
It appears that at MUFC, no matter who the manager is, the demand for him to be sacked after 2 years (or less) is near certainty.
 

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Talksport at the minute are furiously shit-stirring about the lack of a presser before the Spurs game. They are actually complaining about the non-content of an interview, because, it would seem, they couldn't slaughter the manager for what he's said, so they'll now attack him for what he hasn't. You simply can't win with some of these pundits.

In fact, one contributor ( Adrian Durham ) has argued that Liverpool not winning anything over the last 4 years, and losing 3 straight finals, was more of an achievement than UTD's two trophies, in the last 2 years.
 

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Talksport at the minute are furiously shit-stirring about the lack of a presser before the Spurs game. They are actually complaining about the non-content of an interview, because, it would seem, they couldn't slaughter the manager for what he's said, so they'll now attack him for what he hasn't. You simply can't win with some of these pundits.

In fact, one contributor ( Adrian Durham ) has argued that Liverpool not winning anything over the last 4 years, and losing 3 straight finals, was more of an achievement than UTD's two trophies, in the last 2 years.
Our trophies were nothing trophies according to them, remember we also won the F.A. Cup with LVG. So is that a nothing trophy for Chelsea? Any trophy is worth winning.
 

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Talksport at the minute are furiously shit-stirring about the lack of a presser before the Spurs game. They are actually complaining about the non-content of an interview, because, it would seem, they couldn't slaughter the manager for what he's said, so they'll now attack him for what he hasn't. You simply can't win with some of these pundits.

In fact, one contributor ( Adrian Durham ) has argued that Liverpool not winning anything over the last 4 years, and losing 3 straight finals, was more of an achievement than UTD's two trophies, in the last 2 years.
I wouldn't worry about that gob**ite adrian Durham. He is a known WUM. Just trues to be controversial to get hits for his show..some gullible United Fans fall for it and call up the show .

But yeah he is the worst!
 

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I am thankful for every story that brings us any closer to him leaving. Keep them coming
 

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That’s astonishing.

I used to think that this anti United thing in the press was paranoia, but there’s some pretty blatant examples where the media treats United differently to everyone else.
 

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That’s astonishing.

I used to think that this anti United thing in the press was paranoia, but there’s some pretty blatant examples where the media treats United differently to everyone else.
Thank you!! :eek:
 

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The media will not change so it's up to United and Mourinho to better handle themselves in the spotlight. And, they must not allow all the stories (manufactured or otherwise) to affect them.

The players (see Bailly, Pogba), manager and fans too have to learn to ignore these media outlets. I have started doing so and I must say I feel so much better.