The State of the Anti-United Media (Or just the state of the club it seems)

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Anyone viewed the Failonline sports section today? I'm not suggesting a Mansour sponsored buying of the media but it's a love-in of epic proportions - three consecutive fawning stories based on that new Bitters documentary.
Of course the comments are ripe. One person commented that he was going to watch it but couldn't fill all the seats on his sofa!
 

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I wish we did something like this.
No sooner do you hear a rumour about Bayern and the club come out and deny it.

The only problem is, when we are going for a player, seemingly you also have to confirm its true also. I believe Bayern do this too, but they usually target German talent, and they have a monopoly on German players which no other team can compete with.

For us that would present a problem.
But this is not about transfer rumours this is about morale and alleged unhappiness of players in the squad.
Pogba has added fuel to the fire with his silly comments and of course Jose has a reputation for conflict.

The club coming out and saying we are all a happy family will make absolutely no difference. If we go on a run of winning 6-7 games and playing some great football this will all die down or of course it will grow if we struggle.
 

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But this is not about transfer rumours this is about morale and alleged unhappiness of players in the squad.
Pogba has added fuel to the fire with his silly comments and of course Jose has a reputation for conflict.

The club coming out and saying we are all a happy family will make absolutely no difference. If we go on a run of winning 6-7 games and playing some great football this will all die down or of course it will grow if we struggle.
This is why it's unrealistic for us to do it, we can't do what Bayern do because they enjoy a dominance in their league like no other.
Plus our press is particularly disgusting too.
 

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Barclay the chief ABU, the headband wearing Oliver Holt from Stockport not far behind in the sensationalism industry. Sam Wallace had a go at Barca for being sponsored by the Qatar government who have a human rights record issue but totally ignored the Abu Dhabi government who are, allegedly, sponsoring certain Islamic fighters. They all seize on the slightest bit of gossip fed to them by muppets. The Club should sue the gits if the stories are wholly untrue and affect the reputation of the Club.

However, I do believe that Jose has mouthed off too far this time in the kindergarten that is Carrington. The press conference will be interesting this afternoon.
 

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This is why it's unrealistic for us to do it, we can't do what Bayern do because they enjoy a dominance in their league like no other.
Plus our press is particularly disgusting too.
Totally agree that the press is disgusting in its selective news coverage and the majority of sports coverage is very poor.
When you compare the coverage of our players to the abuse that Sterling gets then it is hard to say that they are selective in the clubs that they target.

I don't think there is anything particularly bad with the articles they are printing about us at the moment. The Pogba/Jose spat may be true or may be fabrication but it is not nasty and doesn't mirror the personal abuse that Sterling gets and that Rooney and Beckham received in the past.
 

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I think its safe to say the relationship is extremely rocky and fairly safe to say Pogba would leave united if given the chance.

That being said I wouldn't believe anything the Sun right, absolute scum off the earth 99% chance those comments are fake, unless they've stole the story from a more reputable source
It's not safe to say that. Pogba, since he has come, has always said Man Utd is where he wants to play football. He came back coz he had a point to proove. The only reason he leaves is because we are not winning trophies.

The truth is that he has been our best performing outfield player in the last 2 years, and still the fans aren't happy. There is obviously something wrong with the messaging there - either from the manager or the media.

Fergie used to protect his players who got thrashed in the media, Jose let's the media at them and fuels the storm. The post WC comments from Jose on the WC being the right environment for Pogba were down right ridiculous.

Anyway, that's digressing. On this thread, in hindsight - I think it was a bit knee jerk for me to create, but the fact that it's lasted so long does show that there is some truth in the media bias. Jose doesn't help it though. I think he has lost (or is losing) the art of making the media work for him
 

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I would agree if it was only rubbish sources reporting.
Most recent reports that the club have bothered denying come from The Sun. I notice the Mirror have chimed in too.
The fact probably 95% of reporters and different media companies have all reported the same thing bar potentially one or two makes me think there's no smoke without fire.
Firstly, rubbish. And you conveniently ignore the reports, including reports out of France, where "sources" say Pogba is happy and does NOT want to leave United. Do they feed your "95%" he wants to go narrative, or are they inconvenient for your point of view and thus don't warrant consideration?
This on top of Pogba's comments about him being fined, think you would either be stupid or in denial if you thought there was nothing going on there
Pot, meet kettle. The fact is we don't know what he was referring to when he spoke about being fined. Of course oppos like you and hysterical redcafe posters think the sky is falling. But in reality it is unlikely there is much of a story other than Pogba wants a pay rise in light of Sanchez' s arrival. That's when all this nonsense started.
 

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Plus our press is particularly disgusting too
This is the sad reality. This is the true "fake news". People like phone hacker Piers Morgan are celebrated in British society. Journalists make stuff up with absolutely no basis in reality and lack any sort of journalistic integrity. Some players and managers come out and state explicitly that stories are false when they get annoyed. Many don't bother anymore.

I happen to think Pogba is angling for a pay rise and thus doesn't mind the noise (although some reports indicate he is happy with his pay and isn't angling for anything).
 

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The Club seriously needs to take legal action here - any paper describing Paul Ince as a "Old Trafford legend" is committing the most egregious libel against United and must be held accountable for the damage such lies inflict on the image of the Club :mad:
 

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I think Ince is spot on. Why would you publicly start an argument with your manager? Makes no sense.

Then again this is Pogba and we've been through this before when he first left. At the time Fergie said "It is disappointing. I don't think he showed us any respect at all, to be honest. I'm quite happy that if they [footballers] carry on that way, they're probably better doing it away from us."

Pogba is showing disrespect now as far as I'm concerned.
 

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Ince - Legend, takes the mick really. He's never had much positive to say about United and again this is off the back of rumours denied by the club. They are trying to string this out as long as they can so they don't have to report anything with substance. Couldn't care less what Ince thinks.
 

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I think the club itself needs to improve its communications strategy. I like Bayern Munich. No bullshitting at all. They hear the rumour, they kill it with a press release. Madrid has started doing that more recently. II see no reason why United can't do the same. Come out officially and clear things up. That will embarrass some of those fake news journalists and reassure fans.
Exactly, don't let them make money out of publishing garbage. In this day and age it's hard to avoid the headlines as much as you may try. Tell them to go and bark up another tree to put it lightly.
 

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It's not safe to say that. Pogba, since he has come, has always said Man Utd is where he wants to play football. He came back coz he had a point to proove. The only reason he leaves is because we are not winning trophies.

The truth is that he has been our best performing outfield player in the last 2 years, and still the fans aren't happy. There is obviously something wrong with the messaging there - either from the manager or the media.

Fergie used to protect his players who got thrashed in the media, Jose let's the media at them and fuels the storm. The post WC comments from Jose on the WC being the right environment for Pogba were down right ridiculous.

Anyway, that's digressing. On this thread, in hindsight - I think it was a bit knee jerk for me to create, but the fact that it's lasted so long does show that there is some truth in the media bias. Jose doesn't help it though. I think he has lost (or is losing) the art of making the media work for him
Sorry I think that isn't true. I have watched pretty much every game in the last two seasons. He has games where he is unplayable, then he has games where is just seems lazy, doesn't track back or easy passes go astray. If things don't go his way he has a tenancy to hold onto the ball too long, trying to out muscle the opponent rather than lay off a simple pass.

Ibra was certainly our best outfield player 2 years ago. Last year Pogba may have been our best outfield player but the bracket isn't exactly high at the moment. There are so many players not performing to their expectations and value.
 

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Sorry I think that isn't true. I have watched pretty much every game in the last two seasons. He has games where he is unplayable, then he has games where is just seems lazy, doesn't track back or easy passes go astray. If things don't go his way he has a tenancy to hold onto the ball too long, trying to out muscle the opponent rather than lay off a simple pass.

Ibra was certainly our best outfield player 2 years ago. Last year Pogba may have been our best outfield player but the bracket isn't exactly high at the moment. There are so many players not performing to their expectations and value.
Agree with all that but i do think Matic was our best outfield player last year followed by Lukaku.
 

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Sorry I think that isn't true. I have watched pretty much every game in the last two seasons. He has games where he is unplayable, then he has games where is just seems lazy, doesn't track back or easy passes go astray. If things don't go his way he has a tenancy to hold onto the ball too long, trying to out muscle the opponent rather than lay off a simple pass.

Ibra was certainly our best outfield player 2 years ago. Last year Pogba may have been our best outfield player but the bracket isn't exactly high at the moment. There are so many players not performing to their expectations and value.
2016/17 season Herrera and Valencia were just as good if not better than Zlatan.

Last season Lukaku was our best player IMO
 

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ABU's just like our own hater fans are just waiting for us to fail. They fecking LOVE IT

It's important Jose and real fans close rank and simply boycott certain media outlets.

Create a seige mentality. feck these ABU cnuts
 

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Jose taking shots at fake news
 

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They need to get on with it imo.

It's never been any different with United. Jose should get hardcore on them ala Fergie and start banning the twats.
 

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The club have enough money to hire a team of its own reporters to dig dirt on the feckers that write these articles and publish them.
 

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Previously I thought this was a bit overblown, but now that Mourinho manages us you have to be a special kind of ABU not to notice.
 

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Anyone viewed the Failonline sports section today? I'm not suggesting a Mansour sponsored buying of the media but it's a love-in of epic proportions - three consecutive fawning stories based on that new Bitters documentary.
Of course the comments are ripe. One person commented that he was going to watch it but couldn't fill all the seats on his sofa!
I am, its been insane for a while now. I think they the media are getting Utd and Citys history mixed up when speaking about City.
 

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Oli Holt back on it. :rolleyes:
 

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Thompson said we pay Sanchez £900k a week.
Saw this. Completely absurd! And he went unchallenged. It's ridiculous how these guys just get away with saying whatever they want. They go after Lingard and Pogba for their social media yet nothing about Alli or anyone else. The media have always been ABU but social media has taken it to another level. It's insane.
 

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I’m watching Sunday supplement and the talk turned to the City documentary and the Pogba/mourinho row and funnily enough they failed to mention the fact that Mourinho and United have vehemently denied such a row took place, seemed to me to skirt around the subject and focus on Pogba and Raiola but then again the other cuntits was on there so their silence on the matter seemed to me to be a circling of the wagons.
 

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I am, its been insane for a while now. I think they the media are getting Utd and Citys history mixed up when speaking about City.
It's 100% deliberate, and we're absolute idiots for not doing the same.

The biggest club in the world has a PR problem. We're the 'bad' guys. Between Jose and our 'style' we've been cast in the narrative as the anti-football establishment.

It absolutely boggles the mind how we've approached the media, and how United have constantly tried to use a stick rather than a carrot. The media are the absolute lowest of the low. They have no morals. Give them nicer sandwiches, access to to practically scripted interviews to players and they'll start being nice to you. It would cost us peanuts.

The only logic I can see behind Woodward et al's 'plan' on our PR is that any mention is a good mention. But if I were a brand I'd much rather be associated with positivity.

Also on City, the obvious reminder: the entire 'project' is simply a rich regime's PR exercise to get the world to forget how they're serial human-rights abusers.
 

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The club have enough money to hire a team of its own reporters to dig dirt on the feckers that write these articles and publish them.
It's what I've said in the past. Just start spinning pro Utd stories while burying the journalists in question.
 

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It's what I've said in the past. Just start spinning pro Utd stories while burying the journalists in question.
Yeah, 'cos otherwise we're never gonna win the vote for Class President. And then our prom will be ruined.
 

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Andy Townsend who is as ABU as anyone else.

"Sanchez isn't injured, he's been left at home. Why would you invest that much money into someone and leave him home?"

"Martial was right to leave the camp and visit his baby."

"Mourinho grudgingly praises Shaw sometimes and didn't acknowledge him after his goal".

I swear these people get paid money to say this shit.
 

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Today is not a day to take aim at the media, the players were a joke, no need to make excuses for them.
 

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Pogba did well to dispell the myth theres problems between him and Jose with that sky sports interview....
 

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They’ll be wanking into their laptops right now and we’re their porn.
 

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Media always prey on the teams that are struggling and we're struggling big time.