The people suggesting Maguire might cost around £50/£60 million are very optimistic imo. I'd value him higher than Van Dijk and could see Leicester demanding around £80 million.
What four players would you like to see come here in the Summer
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Excluding Dalot and Fred as we've signed them now:
Maguire and Bale - dream.
Maguire and Willian - a tad more realistic
Maguire and Bale - dream.
Maguire and Willian - a tad more realistic
We have Fred and Dalot so I'm going to add 4 new ones.
Swinging for the fences:
Kante (He's been my #1 for 2 yrs now)
Sandro (Marcelo would never happen and I believe he's the best LB in the game, wonderfully creative... Or even Alonzo from Chelski)
Willian
CB - ?? - Bonucci, Boateng? I thought Maguire had a good tournament, he's physical and seemingly decisive. Is he a major upgrade to Jones or Smalling?
Swinging for the fences:
Kante (He's been my #1 for 2 yrs now)
Sandro (Marcelo would never happen and I believe he's the best LB in the game, wonderfully creative... Or even Alonzo from Chelski)
Willian
CB - ?? - Bonucci, Boateng? I thought Maguire had a good tournament, he's physical and seemingly decisive. Is he a major upgrade to Jones or Smalling?
Maguire is an obvious upgrade on Jones and Smalling.
Here is the order in which we should sign by positions.
#1 - Right winger - Ideally we need someone who will score 15+ goals, contribute to assists, pacey and has flair and a football brain. It would be amazing if they can be a game changer but the main thing is they are able to link up well with the rest of the team.
# 2 - Left back - Someone who can link up well with Martial, Sanchez or Rashford. Can be good forward but also defending. A good crosser would be bonus because they will contribute to giving more chances for Lukaku. I'm desperate that we get Tierney. He will add a British flavour to the side and also be a good leader.
# 3 - Upgrade our centre backs - I would even put this as a priority. We desperately need a centre back who will defend well and be able to pass forward. Smalling needs to move on. Ideally Skirinar. Maybe Maguire, he also has a leadership element to him.
# 4 - Another midfielder - We signed Fred. We have Matic and Pogba, but another midfielder could really boost us. A Verratti or Thiago?
We need to be patient and sign the right player or no player. It might even be worth exploring youth options.
Some of our current squad i.e. certain defenders really do stifle our play. If we can fix this we can move forward.
#1 - Right winger - Ideally we need someone who will score 15+ goals, contribute to assists, pacey and has flair and a football brain. It would be amazing if they can be a game changer but the main thing is they are able to link up well with the rest of the team.
# 2 - Left back - Someone who can link up well with Martial, Sanchez or Rashford. Can be good forward but also defending. A good crosser would be bonus because they will contribute to giving more chances for Lukaku. I'm desperate that we get Tierney. He will add a British flavour to the side and also be a good leader.
# 3 - Upgrade our centre backs - I would even put this as a priority. We desperately need a centre back who will defend well and be able to pass forward. Smalling needs to move on. Ideally Skirinar. Maybe Maguire, he also has a leadership element to him.
# 4 - Another midfielder - We signed Fred. We have Matic and Pogba, but another midfielder could really boost us. A Verratti or Thiago?
We need to be patient and sign the right player or no player. It might even be worth exploring youth options.
Some of our current squad i.e. certain defenders really do stifle our play. If we can fix this we can move forward.
We did make a 3rd signing.
He is a 35 year old GK, who I've never heard of. Even now, I can't remember his name.
So, we may yet, make a 4th signing.
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about the keeper, I don't know who he is either, that was one of those WTF things that I just ignored.We did make a 3rd signing.
He is a 35 year old GK, who I've never heard of. Even now, I can't remember his name.
So, we may yet, make a 4th signing.
Maguire
Sandro/Marcelo
Fred
Dalot
I don't think we need new attackers, we just need to play better football with the current players.
Martial Lukaku Sanchez
Fred Pogba
Matic
Sandro Maguire Bailly Dalot
De Gea
Sandro/Marcelo
Fred
Dalot
I don't think we need new attackers, we just need to play better football with the current players.
Martial Lukaku Sanchez
Fred Pogba
Matic
Sandro Maguire Bailly Dalot
De Gea
Assuming Dalot is good enough to be a starter...
This is what I’d build towards - not what I think will happen.
This is what I’d build towards - not what I think will happen.
De Gea
Bailly - Maguire - Lindelof
Dalot - Fred - Matic - Pogba - Sandro
Sanchez - Lukaku
Bailly - Maguire - Lindelof
Dalot - Fred - Matic - Pogba - Sandro
Sanchez - Lukaku
Hope that doesn't countWe did make a 3rd signing.
He is a 35 year old GK, who I've never heard of. Even now, I can't remember his name.
So, we may yet, make a 4th signing.
We absolutely need a LB and a RW. RB would be great, too, but all the smoke is that we are after a CB
We already signed 2 players to improve our team (Fred-Dalot). Now, it seems that Mourinho is happy with Young... So, the priority is a RW and a CB.
I would like to see a young player like Pulisic, but I think William is the obvious choice for Mourinho.
Sanchez - Lukaku - New RW
Pogba --- Fred
Matic
Young - New CB - Bailly - Valencia
De Gea
IMO Mourinho wants to sign Bale, but his plan B is William (who is more realistic).Pogba --- Fred
Matic
Young - New CB - Bailly - Valencia
De Gea
I would like to see a young player like Pulisic, but I think William is the obvious choice for Mourinho.
RW, Sandro, and backup Striker.
That FA Cup final was still fresh in memory, with Rashford leading the line. Then you watched Martial in pre-season as striker.
That FA Cup final was still fresh in memory, with Rashford leading the line. Then you watched Martial in pre-season as striker.
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Not sure if being picky but would you have Maguire on one of the sides? Left as he was for England?
Personally no because he’s the strongest in the air of the three.
It seems that we are going to sign one more. So at the end, they would be 4 players. Fred, Dalot, Grant and maybe a CB.
I hope we sign a RW or a top No.10 if we are going to play diamond formation.
I hope we sign a RW or a top No.10 if we are going to play diamond formation.
I think we will still get Willian.
Imagine if we end up with: Dalot, Fred, Grant and Mina.
I still remember most of the posters (me included) wanted Alderweired, Sandro, Bale, etc. Also, our rivals signed RW to rotate with their attacking players like Shaqiri, Mahrez, etc. Let's see if we sign Willian or Pulisic before the transfer window closes.
I still remember most of the posters (me included) wanted Alderweired, Sandro, Bale, etc. Also, our rivals signed RW to rotate with their attacking players like Shaqiri, Mahrez, etc. Let's see if we sign Willian or Pulisic before the transfer window closes.
I think it's far more likely we land Willian than Pulisic.
Looking at who we were expecting to come and how this window is going to end makes me actually laugh.
It seems that we are going to sign a CB (hopefully) and that would be it.
We would have a New CB, Dalot, Fred, Grant and the return of Pereira to improve our team.
Unfortunately, we don't have a RW, even Mourinho uses Mata there. So, 352 could be our best formation.
GK: De Gea, Romero, Grant
3 CBs: Alderweireld?, Bailly, Smalling, Lindelof, Rojo and Jones.
2 wingbacks: Valencia, Young, Dalot, Darmian and Shaw
3 midfielders (CDM/CM/CAM): Matic, Pogba, Fred, Herrera, Pereira, Fellaini, Lingard, Mata
2 strikers: Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial and Rashford.
We would have different type of players to use depending on the game.
IMO 352 formation could be better than a 433 with Mata as RW.
We would have a strong defense, a dynamic midfield and quality strikers. My only concern would be our wingbacks.
Which system do you consider the best with the players we have?
We would have a New CB, Dalot, Fred, Grant and the return of Pereira to improve our team.
Unfortunately, we don't have a RW, even Mourinho uses Mata there. So, 352 could be our best formation.
GK: De Gea, Romero, Grant
3 CBs: Alderweireld?, Bailly, Smalling, Lindelof, Rojo and Jones.
2 wingbacks: Valencia, Young, Dalot, Darmian and Shaw
3 midfielders (CDM/CM/CAM): Matic, Pogba, Fred, Herrera, Pereira, Fellaini, Lingard, Mata
2 strikers: Sanchez, Lukaku, Martial and Rashford.
We would have different type of players to use depending on the game.
IMO 352 formation could be better than a 433 with Mata as RW.
We would have a strong defense, a dynamic midfield and quality strikers. My only concern would be our wingbacks.
Which system do you consider the best with the players we have?
Is this 4 MORE ? Or 1 more as we have bought 3 ?
Maybw a CB.
Looking at the previous pages all the suggestions would've been a dream scenario now this is getting mad! Still, I think one is coming. Who it is no one knows, even Ed atm.
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OK Toby then.
It's funny that we still need 4 players for the next transfer window. We need to improve our defense with a RB, CB and LB. Also, we don't have a RW, so that should be also a priority.
A new CDM and backup striker will depend on our current players.
I hope we are able to sign at least a LB, CB and RW.
A new CDM and backup striker will depend on our current players.
I hope we are able to sign at least a LB, CB and RW.
Liked the look of Hirving Lozano. High-energy type who could keep the divas in the team honest.
Until I found out who his agent was.
Until I found out who his agent was.
Modern Football relies heavily on quality Wing backs and a European Tier 1 Super Club needs 4 outstanding options because you need to rotate this position to keep them fresh. The Centre Back positions you probably need 5 or 6 options to play a 2 or 3 man Defensive options with at least 1 or 2 of those CBs being leaders of men.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but United 2018 options in these 10 positions are as follows with the players in Bold being just about good enough to be squad options!
D Dalot, A Valencia(33), A Young(33), M Darmian, C Smalling, P Jones, E Bailly, V Lindeloft, L Shaw, A Tuanzebe, T Fosu Mensah, M Rojo. Some would argue that Smalling, Shaw and Jones should be added to that list!
That would suggest that a massive rebuilding job and squad improvement is needed With any 2 from T Auderweield, H Maguire, R Varanne as CB options and T Menier or K Trippier and A Sandro or K Tierney more experienced options at WB also needed.
Any combination of that 4 would cost the club £200M investment, something United board will not do to back Jose or any other incomming Manager.
In Midfield the situation is much better but you would still look to upgrade Mata or McTominay, so 1 coming in such as A Ramsey, M Veratti or Sergej Milinkosavic - possibly costing the club another £100M
Then finally upfront, we are deluded if we think our current front 5 or 6 is good enough. Lukaku needs genuine competition and we need at least 1 Genuine pacy winger. So add H Lozano, L Bailly, C Pullisic or M Rheus to M Icardi or A Berlotti and you are looking at another £150M. A total investment of £350M net after we sell the deadweight for £100M.
There is no way in a million years that Woodward and the board would sanction that type of investment for Jose Mourinho, Ancelotti or Zidane unless the club fail in a a Moyes style epic proportion and miss Champions League football and also miss out on a top 6 position.
A Director of football is the first stage to repair the damage but it might take us 3 more windows to sort this depressing mess out!
Hindsight is a wonderful thing but United 2018 options in these 10 positions are as follows with the players in Bold being just about good enough to be squad options!
D Dalot, A Valencia(33), A Young(33), M Darmian, C Smalling, P Jones, E Bailly, V Lindeloft, L Shaw, A Tuanzebe, T Fosu Mensah, M Rojo. Some would argue that Smalling, Shaw and Jones should be added to that list!
That would suggest that a massive rebuilding job and squad improvement is needed With any 2 from T Auderweield, H Maguire, R Varanne as CB options and T Menier or K Trippier and A Sandro or K Tierney more experienced options at WB also needed.
Any combination of that 4 would cost the club £200M investment, something United board will not do to back Jose or any other incomming Manager.
In Midfield the situation is much better but you would still look to upgrade Mata or McTominay, so 1 coming in such as A Ramsey, M Veratti or Sergej Milinkosavic - possibly costing the club another £100M
Then finally upfront, we are deluded if we think our current front 5 or 6 is good enough. Lukaku needs genuine competition and we need at least 1 Genuine pacy winger. So add H Lozano, L Bailly, C Pullisic or M Rheus to M Icardi or A Berlotti and you are looking at another £150M. A total investment of £350M net after we sell the deadweight for £100M.
There is no way in a million years that Woodward and the board would sanction that type of investment for Jose Mourinho, Ancelotti or Zidane unless the club fail in a a Moyes style epic proportion and miss Champions League football and also miss out on a top 6 position.
A Director of football is the first stage to repair the damage but it might take us 3 more windows to sort this depressing mess out!
I'm optimistic on Dalot and Shaw is young and talented, so I could see only needing one fullback next summer, leaving us needing 3 players: CB, FB (side to be determined) and RW. If Mourinho goes, no reason to get rid of anyone else bar Fellaini, and one of or maybe both Rojo and Jones if Tuanzebe has a strong year at Villa.
--------------------Lukaku/Martial--------------
Sanchez/Rashford---------------RW/Mata---- (Chong)
----------Pogba/Lingard----Fred/Herrera----- (Mctominay)
------------------Matic/Pereira------------------
LB/Shaw--------------------------Dalot/Valencia (Young)
---------LCB/Lindelof---Bailly/Smalling-------- (Tuanzebe)
------------------De Gea/Romero----------------
That looks like a proper side if we get 3 productive players who can hit the ground running like Koulibaly, Tierney (haven't seen a ton but seems like a very solid player and at his age room to improve) and then winger will likely depend on who has a breakout season and is available since players there tend to be younger, but surely there's someone from the group of young wingers like: Pulisic/Bailey/Brandt/Thauvin/Chiesa/Zaha/Lopez/Under/Pavon/Neres/Lozano who we could get and would be a hit here.
--------------------Lukaku/Martial--------------
Sanchez/Rashford---------------RW/Mata---- (Chong)
----------Pogba/Lingard----Fred/Herrera----- (Mctominay)
------------------Matic/Pereira------------------
LB/Shaw--------------------------Dalot/Valencia (Young)
---------LCB/Lindelof---Bailly/Smalling-------- (Tuanzebe)
------------------De Gea/Romero----------------
That looks like a proper side if we get 3 productive players who can hit the ground running like Koulibaly, Tierney (haven't seen a ton but seems like a very solid player and at his age room to improve) and then winger will likely depend on who has a breakout season and is available since players there tend to be younger, but surely there's someone from the group of young wingers like: Pulisic/Bailey/Brandt/Thauvin/Chiesa/Zaha/Lopez/Under/Pavon/Neres/Lozano who we could get and would be a hit here.
Good post similar in view to many but Mata is finished as a Premier League player, the game is simply too fast now for him and Valencia and Young will not be part of the 2019-20 season as both will be 34 years old. You may keep 1, no way you keep 2. Martial clearly can not lead the line, some would argue that neither can Lukaku so a top class CFW is needed to challenge. I think for all his faults, Jones is a much better centre back than Lindelof who just doesn't suit PL football.
So your 3 players required really becomes more like 5 or 6 with 4 starting eleven players and 2 squad players needed.
It's going to be a long hard winding road ahead just to be a dominant top 3 PL team.
Now im not saying we should sign all these players next window, but these are the kinds of players we SHOULD be targetting in my opinion, and the kinds of players i'd love to see us sign.
Milan Skriniar - CB/CDM
Matthijs de Ligt - CB
Benjamin Pavard - CB/RB
Benjamin Henrichs - LB/RB
Kieran Tierney - LB dependant on Luke Shaw AGAIN
Frenkie de Jong - CM
Ruben Neves - CM
Nicolo Barella - CM
Carlos Soler - CM
Hirving Lozano - LW/RW
Federico Chiesa - LW
Christian Pulisic - RW
Julian Brandt - LW/RW
Leon Bailey - LW/RW
Kasper Dolberg - ST
Dawid Kownacki - ST
If we actually move on players, for a change, like Smalling, Jones, Mata, Rojo, Young, Darmian, hell i'd even consider binning Valencia too, and I don't think McTominay is that good. Unfortunately Mourinho's made sure we aren't shifting Fellaini until his contract runs out now, yay. If Pogba really wants to go i'd also consider moving him on, as well as Martial.
Maybe this wouldn't be in the best interests of the club but i'm genuinely sick to the back teeth of the drama and everything about this club currently. This whole scenario is entirely unrealistic I understand that, but I genuinely think this club needs a clean slate come end of the season, and i'm talking getting rid of all of these damn average players, the drama queens and not just maybe selling 1 or 2 and then maybe bringing in another 1 or 2, we need a much bigger shift than this to wake us up I feel, with a new manager at the end of the season too, something really needs to be done because it's just stale as hell and has been for the longest time.
Milan Skriniar - CB/CDM
Matthijs de Ligt - CB
Benjamin Pavard - CB/RB
Benjamin Henrichs - LB/RB
Kieran Tierney - LB dependant on Luke Shaw AGAIN
Frenkie de Jong - CM
Ruben Neves - CM
Nicolo Barella - CM
Carlos Soler - CM
Hirving Lozano - LW/RW
Federico Chiesa - LW
Christian Pulisic - RW
Julian Brandt - LW/RW
Leon Bailey - LW/RW
Kasper Dolberg - ST
Dawid Kownacki - ST
If we actually move on players, for a change, like Smalling, Jones, Mata, Rojo, Young, Darmian, hell i'd even consider binning Valencia too, and I don't think McTominay is that good. Unfortunately Mourinho's made sure we aren't shifting Fellaini until his contract runs out now, yay. If Pogba really wants to go i'd also consider moving him on, as well as Martial.
Maybe this wouldn't be in the best interests of the club but i'm genuinely sick to the back teeth of the drama and everything about this club currently. This whole scenario is entirely unrealistic I understand that, but I genuinely think this club needs a clean slate come end of the season, and i'm talking getting rid of all of these damn average players, the drama queens and not just maybe selling 1 or 2 and then maybe bringing in another 1 or 2, we need a much bigger shift than this to wake us up I feel, with a new manager at the end of the season too, something really needs to be done because it's just stale as hell and has been for the longest time.
I would raid Spurs for either Alderweireld or Vertonghen. It has gone under the radar a bit that Vertonghen is a free agent next summer. I would rather have him than Alderweireld. Left footed, an underrated trait to have in the LCB role. He also has played with Davinson Sanchez, who reminds me of Bailly. I think one of our younger CBs could take the step up next to a more experienced one.
Then i would get Eriksen who Spurs either needs to extend or sell in 2019, otherwise they will lose him on a free. Underrated playmaker, who has the ability to control games and make a team tick. We need players that are comfortable on the ball and can make our passing game better. Also never injured so that’s a bonus.
We also need a RW, maybe Pulisic, Zaha or Lozano. Hard to tell how they are going to perform this season, but if i had to choose one now i’lll pick Pulisic. It definitely depends on how he performs this season, but his potential is just really high and he already plays for a top club.
We also need a left or right back depending on if Shaw can stay fit and if Dalot can break through. A lot can happen this season, but it’s a right back we need right now. Maybe Sidibe from Monaco, but i could also see Dalot starting and Shaw failing to stay fit and then us buying a left back like Tierney, Grimaldo or Alex Sandro. I think we have been linked to all three.
But this thread is probably much more interesting when we are closer to winter and summer because there is a lot of positions that are up in the air. It’s pretty much only De Gea, Pogba and Lukaku that are 100% starters.
Then i would get Eriksen who Spurs either needs to extend or sell in 2019, otherwise they will lose him on a free. Underrated playmaker, who has the ability to control games and make a team tick. We need players that are comfortable on the ball and can make our passing game better. Also never injured so that’s a bonus.
We also need a RW, maybe Pulisic, Zaha or Lozano. Hard to tell how they are going to perform this season, but if i had to choose one now i’lll pick Pulisic. It definitely depends on how he performs this season, but his potential is just really high and he already plays for a top club.
We also need a left or right back depending on if Shaw can stay fit and if Dalot can break through. A lot can happen this season, but it’s a right back we need right now. Maybe Sidibe from Monaco, but i could also see Dalot starting and Shaw failing to stay fit and then us buying a left back like Tierney, Grimaldo or Alex Sandro. I think we have been linked to all three.
But this thread is probably much more interesting when we are closer to winter and summer because there is a lot of positions that are up in the air. It’s pretty much only De Gea, Pogba and Lukaku that are 100% starters.
We moving on to summer 2019?
New manager
Ousmane Dembele
Ruben Neves
Skriniar
Don’t know if I could pick a 4th as I want to see what Dalot is going to do this season and the only other places would be a back up striker role possibly.
Maybe Lucas Hernandez for CB/LB and Ndombele as a midfield option.
New manager
Ousmane Dembele
Ruben Neves
Skriniar
Don’t know if I could pick a 4th as I want to see what Dalot is going to do this season and the only other places would be a back up striker role possibly.
Maybe Lucas Hernandez for CB/LB and Ndombele as a midfield option.
It doesn't matter who or how much you invest in the team over how many windows,unfortunately if Jose is still in charge the lacklustre football will still be as dire and teams like Brighton will still overpower us.Think about how many of our players performed so well at the World Cup under their respective coaches and yet not even two months later they are back to playing the garbage that the manager is training.It doesn't matter which camp you're in this only ends well when Jose goes.
But no other Jose team played like this....you don't think thats a little odd.
Odd? No I find it fecking annoying, although let's not forget what happened in his last season at Chelsea, so actually it has happened before.