He is, there’s a bad feeling around and it reflects in the performances, they’re flat and lacking in chemistry. You could see with Derby last night that they’re a team with a good feeling and purpose. The opposite to us sadly.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Also, just gifted a new deal in January so there are financial reasons to hold on as well.
The problem started right down from the day Woodward is handling united from very first transfer window itself. Typical case of hounds taking over a super successful organization after a super successful personality concedes power and wanting to have a say in organizational matters.
Is this thread going to get bumped after every draw/defeat?
Time is up Jose, last time we played like this at home wss under David and if that is what Jose has dropped to maybe it is time for him to be dropped to. Rubbish he has been left behind.
Whole club is toxic, those who advocate for Mourinho should acknowledge the fact that we cant sack all the players so we need to sack the manager. Match going fans are the classiest bunch but they should stop cheering for a manager who plays that kind of dreadful shite. Also it doesnt take that long to instill an attacking philosophy in a team many teams have done it within the same season of hiring the new manager (see City, Liverpool, Chelsea, PSG), defensive structure takes longer imo but Mourinho has instilled NEITHER. Hes past it, a has been. He will not manage another big club again in his career, hes done.
As said I think the squad is shit tbh however we should be winning against Derby especially at OT on autopilot. It seems to me that the problem here is way bigger then tactics and quality. Mou has lost the dressing room again.
The plane banner could have ruined our season. Ed is a weird CEO, he often makes flaky decisions. If he thinks Jose has fan support , he might delay sacking Jose and write off this season.
The people who flew the plane weren't wrong to rail against Ed, but they should have waited for a more opportune moment. They completely absolved Jose of all guilt and laid it on Ed.
The attack attack attack shouts should return as soon as we start giving the ball away cheaply and concede all the momentum to opposition team.
What we are seeing among our fanbase is exactly like arsenal fans of the past few years. The same arguments used to defend wenger are being used by some of our fans to defend Jose. “It’s not him, it’s the board”.”there is no one better available”.
That is one of the stupidest argument I heard supporting wenger and now Jose. It’s ridiculous. As a club, you are supposed to be prepared for such scenarios. What if Jose resigns tomorrow? Do we just beg him to stay till we find a replacement.
We are facing the same problems as arsenal did, manager out of depth, some players out of depth and a board not caring about what’s happening on the field.
There is a lot of change required at the club. We should stop the blame game of Ed vs Jose and realise that both have failed in taking the club forward.Unless both are gone, we are sure to just dick around like we have done in the last 5 years.
That is one of the stupidest argument I heard supporting wenger and now Jose. It’s ridiculous. As a club, you are supposed to be prepared for such scenarios. What if Jose resigns tomorrow? Do we just beg him to stay till we find a replacement.
We are facing the same problems as arsenal did, manager out of depth, some players out of depth and a board not caring about what’s happening on the field.
There is a lot of change required at the club. We should stop the blame game of Ed vs Jose and realise that both have failed in taking the club forward.Unless both are gone, we are sure to just dick around like we have done in the last 5 years.
Well each draw/defeat is the reason this thread got created.
Two of his former players have turned up to OT in the space of 3 days, dominated us playing cohesive football and were well worthy of the their teams results despite spending a fraction of what we have. If that isn't a wake up call I don't know what is.
I wanted him out a few weeks ago. For some reason he's growing on me though.
I'm going into every match genuinely not expecting us to win and it's making it more fun. We already realistically won't win anything, so I just want to see what happens and enjoy any highs
I'm going into every match genuinely not expecting us to win and it's making it more fun. We already realistically won't win anything, so I just want to see what happens and enjoy any highs
Big big fan of his but last night was the end I think (Not that he will get sacked before the next game, I just can't see it turning around anymore).
I've finally changed my vote to "Yes" his time is up. Feel quite dirty doing it TBH. Can't the season just end already?????
I've finally changed my vote to "Yes" his time is up. Feel quite dirty doing it TBH. Can't the season just end already?????
Ah, I dont know.. After all, all the answers to difficult problems lies in simple-answer planes
I can just imagine the longest banner:- Woodward Out!! - - - But its more nuanced than that - - - Our play is not fluent enough. - - - Mourinho should also be held accountable - - - and do better with the material at hand - - - And dont even get us supporters talking about Pogba's new hair - - - Where is Monchi when you need him?
Or the classy simple cheaper one that would make all us fans look great:
- Sack'em all
I think it is time for him to go now. the situation is too rotten for him to be able to salvage it.
it's just that everything is against him now. and Pogba acting like a cnut since his 'world cup' seals it for me. i would have sold Pogba way before sacking Jose but we all know that this is not gonna happen. so taking into consideration all those things, i think that it's time for Jose to step down. at least, with a new face that would be supported in the winter window, we can still aim for the champions league and see what's salvageable from our season.
it's just that everything is against him now. and Pogba acting like a cnut since his 'world cup' seals it for me. i would have sold Pogba way before sacking Jose but we all know that this is not gonna happen. so taking into consideration all those things, i think that it's time for Jose to step down. at least, with a new face that would be supported in the winter window, we can still aim for the champions league and see what's salvageable from our season.
Yeah but, Mourinho changed the way we play. We attack now. Didn't you see us in the first 36 minutes against Spurs?
Nothing will happen. Yet. But it should.
We will keep strugling with this direction, manager and some of the players.
No consistency at all, no plan, no anything.
Nothing will happen I guess, but we should react now, and get a new manager in as soon as possible.
We will keep strugling with this direction, manager and some of the players.
No consistency at all, no plan, no anything.
Nothing will happen I guess, but we should react now, and get a new manager in as soon as possible.
He has to go. We have no tactics, no game plan. I can't see what we are trying to do anyway. It's like we have 3 teams within one, a defence a midfield and a forward line. There's no cohesion. We seem bereft of ideas. All of that is down to the manager.
It's so easy now to outplay us. If you play any bit of football and can pass the ball a little bit at all, you've a great chance. Being mostly dominated at home by Derby was embarrassing. Less possession at Old Trafford against Derby?
Compare us now to Liverpool and City ? We are shite. And it doesn't improve under Mourinho. He never improves. He only implodes.
It's so easy now to outplay us. If you play any bit of football and can pass the ball a little bit at all, you've a great chance. Being mostly dominated at home by Derby was embarrassing. Less possession at Old Trafford against Derby?
Compare us now to Liverpool and City ? We are shite. And it doesn't improve under Mourinho. He never improves. He only implodes.
The time i started worrying was when someone did an article about how our approach is intentionally not to hold possession as that's where the risk is.
Sounded stupid but you can see it's our plan now.
Van gaals possession was tedious but at least showed some sort of plan.
Everyone said jose peaks by season2 then it falls away with rows with people.
It is actually happening to the letter.
The pogba stuff is so damaging it's unreal.
The biggest worry is how what we know are good attacking players are looking absolutely pony.
Sounded stupid but you can see it's our plan now.
Van gaals possession was tedious but at least showed some sort of plan.
Everyone said jose peaks by season2 then it falls away with rows with people.
It is actually happening to the letter.
The pogba stuff is so damaging it's unreal.
The biggest worry is how what we know are good attacking players are looking absolutely pony.
Isnt that the idea of a forum? To talk/discuss current topics, which this topic very much is.
It has to make you wonder why he only lasts around 3 seasons at each club? If he really is the most decorated manager in club football surely one of the various boards or fan groups would have begged him to stay before now?
However, if it's true that he does really eat away at players confidence and poison their mentality after time it might explain why a couple of the players, currently perceived to be playing attractive football (Fred and Dalot) are doing so well … he has not had enough time to turn them round yet?
I agree that the squad is far from perfect, but I do not care what anyone says, those players can surely all individually, and definitely collectively, play better than they are currently!
Has Felllaini really got that good since resigning or has the rest of the team just fallen so far below his standard it takes him coming on to save us every time?
There are rightly questions and accusations that can be levelled at all levels: board, management and players. But for me, the job of sending players out with the feeling they are the most important cogs in the wheel; that they are unbeatable; that they have it in them to be the heroes to the seventy-five thousand people who turn up to see them every week, is up to the manager.
It's time to get on with it now! Jose can make this work to get us to top four with a reasonable run in the two cups - and with this set of players … BUT he needs to admit to himself that he needs to change and he needs help. If not no-one will win out of this!
However, if it's true that he does really eat away at players confidence and poison their mentality after time it might explain why a couple of the players, currently perceived to be playing attractive football (Fred and Dalot) are doing so well … he has not had enough time to turn them round yet?
I agree that the squad is far from perfect, but I do not care what anyone says, those players can surely all individually, and definitely collectively, play better than they are currently!
Has Felllaini really got that good since resigning or has the rest of the team just fallen so far below his standard it takes him coming on to save us every time?
There are rightly questions and accusations that can be levelled at all levels: board, management and players. But for me, the job of sending players out with the feeling they are the most important cogs in the wheel; that they are unbeatable; that they have it in them to be the heroes to the seventy-five thousand people who turn up to see them every week, is up to the manager.
It's time to get on with it now! Jose can make this work to get us to top four with a reasonable run in the two cups - and with this set of players … BUT he needs to admit to himself that he needs to change and he needs help. If not no-one will win out of this!
We shouldnt have appointed him in the first place. After Madrid, something didnt seem right and the way it ended at Real and Chelsea will also happen at United
I just changed my vote, and feel sad about it, but this is going nowhere.
Our players, though arguably not the best in the league, should be more than good enough to walk over the likes of Brighton, Wolves and Derby.
Sure, every team can have a day off, but when you add to this that we’ve actually struggled to beat Leicester, Young Boys (result flatters us) and Watford as well, and the beating by Tottenham, this looks very bleak.
I don’t know if Zidane is the answer, but our group of players are better than this, something’s got to change.
Our players, though arguably not the best in the league, should be more than good enough to walk over the likes of Brighton, Wolves and Derby.
Sure, every team can have a day off, but when you add to this that we’ve actually struggled to beat Leicester, Young Boys (result flatters us) and Watford as well, and the beating by Tottenham, this looks very bleak.
I don’t know if Zidane is the answer, but our group of players are better than this, something’s got to change.
Do you have a source for this?
The way some fans clung to that first half was bizarre as were not even that good. If I saw that from any other top 6 side, I wouldn't have been worried in the slightest.
He said dont ask me more lol
MEN should be running with this, as a reliable source, by now surely
Saw that, didn’t care.
It doesn't look like it to me, the way they were celebrating after every penalty scored. If they were against him, at least some of them shouldn't have bothered scoring a pen.
I am astounded that any right minded Utd supporter can advocate the current situation carrying on ‘till December or end of season’. In footballing terms we couldn’t be any more insipid if the whole squad was replaced with amateurs.
I mean, what is anybody expecting to happen between now and the inevitable...the team suddenly turning up and playing good football?
As a club our board is incredibly reactive and allow things to become toxic and downright laughable before acting, I don’t expect things to change this tine round whilst they are still calling the shots.
I mean, what is anybody expecting to happen between now and the inevitable...the team suddenly turning up and playing good football?
As a club our board is incredibly reactive and allow things to become toxic and downright laughable before acting, I don’t expect things to change this tine round whilst they are still calling the shots.
Don't give sad little ITK attention.
The squad is better than what we're seeing most the time, it's not title challenging quality, but it should be winning the majority of games we fumble week after week.
The squad is better than what we're seeing most the time, it's not title challenging quality, but it should be winning the majority of games we fumble week after week.
We could have them as caretaker managers for the season and maybe they might surprise us do well and could be offered to carry on. If not i'm sure the club could find them coaching roles somewhere.
Nah, who do we have that can replace the CV of Mourinho? Isn't that what the big clubs like Bayern Munich are doing? I'm pretty sure that Kovac bloke must have been in demand for Bayern to give him a shot.
I was on the "needs more time" boat but this last week has been ridiculous. Outplayed twice in a week at home by Championship teams and further alienating our best players.
The only problem is it would be up to Woodward to choose a replacement. Leave it with McKenna and Carrick until we have a competent DoF who can identify the right manager.
The only problem is it would be up to Woodward to choose a replacement. Leave it with McKenna and Carrick until we have a competent DoF who can identify the right manager.
I don't think players ever consciously try to sabotage games in order to get the manager fired. They are professionals, the want to win every game. 'Losing the dressing room' usually means that the players have stopped buying into the managers philosophy & methods. It means he training and techniques are no longer having the desired effect. The players are lost. And when that happens, generally it's the manager that gets the marching orders.
They've basically looked like that from day one really, haven't they? I don't see Jose's stamp anywhere on this team, never have.
If the players don't wan't to play for the manager, of course they're not gonna give their best on the pitch. Didn't look like Chelsea players were trying too hard to win when they turned against Mourinho.
He's a typical business CEO. He answers to the shareholders first, because that's who he works for. Its why he's so reluctant to rock the boat, unfortunately because of this unwillingness that boat is about to sink under the 3rd consecutive manager.
Its why we desperately need a DOF. One who's priority is to answer the on-field issues.
I think it's more prominent this season. The manager basically spent the summer undermining the squad calling himself a genius for getting us the second place with a bunch of shit players. I am sure it has had it's affect. Then we have Martial, whose agent openly stated that he would like to leave, and now we have Pogba, our leader, who has openly spoken out twice against the manager. The club can try to spin it anyway they want; however the writing is pretty much on the wall. Can see only one way out of this.
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Case in point (to argue that players willfully "down tools") was Mourinho's second tenure at Chelsea. They were happy to flirt with relegation only to suddenly turn it on the first game after he left...
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