The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Baxter]

Said he was sure he wouldnt retire here when he wanted a new contract, Also had a go at the fans for urging Mctominay to make a brave pass one game, had a go at the fans for groaning at Lukaku for getting lazy against Tottenham at OT, made a smartass comment in his postmatch notes sarcastically addressing the fans asking for entertaining football. He's an insufferable dick.

"I hope you enjoy the game more than some of you did against Tottenham”.

Then later on in the season.

“It's not Portsmouth. I remember Portsmouth - such a small stadium, the atmosphere was absolutely incredible. In here, the atmosphere is a bit quiet and there is not very (much enthusiasm)”.

But he waved a scarf about after getting a battering, so it’s all good. He knows he needs the fans on side when the pressure is on like this. Utterly transparent.

 

[mancan92]

@VP89

Do you need more quotes ?

 

[Dinghy]

"He was in front of me and I was making every decision for him,"
"He has to change his football brain, he cannot play with my brain."

 

[El Zoido]

He’s going to get nasty about us when he finally gets the boot.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

Yep. And somehow there's more outrage over Pogba disrespecting Mourinho than over Mourinho disrespecting the entire club.

Wow, you don't think Pogba has disrespected the whole club?

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

"The other day my son who lives in London went to Paris and not to Manchester to watch the match," Mourinho said. "At the moment in Paris there is something special. Magic, quality, youth, it’s fantastic."

To be fair, it's a quicker and nicer train ride.

 

[Rolaholic]

@VP89

Do you need more quotes ?

Don't even bother wasting your time as he'll ignore it all,that guy has been more up Jose's arse than Duncan Castles

 

[Cassidy]

Wow, you don't think Pogba has disrespected the whole club?

Has he?

 

[Cloud7]

Wow, you don't think Pogba has disrespected the whole club?

Unless you think Mourinho is the whole club, then no, he has not.

Whereas there are extensive quotes on this very same page with our manager who cares about the club so much literally disrespecting the entire institution.

 

[Sir Scott McToMinay]

He’s going to get nasty about us when he finally gets the boot.

Doubt it. Madrid was far worse and he barely said anything about that period from what I can recall.

 

[dwd]

Don't even bother wasting your time as he'll ignore it all,that guy has been more up Jose's arse than Duncan Castles

 

[Apokalips]

Not one of our games has been close to that Seville game in approach. If you can't see any differences on the pitch then that's a far bigger judgement on you than our manager.

Quality is a valid argument at the moment but no people have to talk bollocks made up nonsense instead

It's not that it has to be a carbon copy of Sevilla, but similar approach in terms of being reactive and giving initiative to every team we play against. If we sit back and let teams like Derby play then imagine how bad it will be in the knockouts. But fair enough if this is the sort of thing you enjoy watching, but the majority don't as evidenced by the poll.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

Has he?

Unless you think Mourinho is the whole club, then no, he has not.

Whereas there are extensive quotes on this very same page with our manager who cares about the club so much literally disrespecting the entire institution.

So you guys don't think that openly being insubordinate to the club's manager is disrespecting the club?

You don't think that destroying any good feeling after a victory in the first game of the season by seeking out journalists in the mixed zone to specifically drop incendiary quotes about 'being fined' if he truly said what he wanted to say (which news reports now suggest was around the time that he had told the club he wanted to leave) was disrespecting the club?
You don't think mentioning wearing the Barcelona shirt in an interview was disrespecting the club?
You don't think posting a video of himself fecking around and laughing in the stands whilst the club is being knocked out of the League Cup is disrespecting the club?

I wonder if Fergie believes any of the above were disrespectful to the club?

C'mon guys you're better than this. You need to separate your feelings towards Mourinho from the facts of the Pogba situation. There is no question whatsoever that his actions have destabilised the club - how can putting your own self-serving situation above the club NOT be disrespectful?

 

[broccoli]

That can't be right, his contract is up in 2020

Ye 40M is probably too much. I've read today on the news that due to signing a new contract, the compensation is around 26M. Now who knows what other bonus were on the contract. Even if it's "just" 26M I'd guess the board will stick with the manager until the situation becomes unbearable like with LVG.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Doubt it. Madrid was far worse and he barely said anything about that period from what I can recall.

He also had more success at Real Madrid - not winning the league here is a blip in his CV.

To be fair to Jose - he made this a title winning team in his traditional fashion by getting us an 81 point placement on his 2nd season - however that was not good enough. The teams above us and below us were better than usual - the whole league was tougher.

However, it is what it is - after his good 2nd season comes his 3rd season. It's just not going to change when it hasn't once before.

 

[shamans]

More Mourinho talks, the more he just comes across as the donald trump of football (except with more success in the past)

 

[Smores]

It's not that it has to be a carbon copy of Sevilla, but similar approach in terms of being reactive and giving initiative to every team we play against. If we sit back and let teams like Derby play then imagine how bad it will be in the knockouts. But fair enough if this is the sort of thing you enjoy watching, but the majority don't as evidenced by the poll.

The majority have discussed the positive changes in our play until the moment we lose and then that's all forgotten.

Our own manager has repeatedly criticised the team for this, it's not on his instructions that we sit back. He should be finding a way to get the players to stop doing it certainly

 

[Cassidy]

So you guys don't think that openly being subordinate to the club's manager is disrespecting the club?

You don't think that destroying any good feeling after a victory in the first game of the season by seeking out journalists in the mixed zone to specifically drop incendiary quotes about 'being fined' if he truly said what he wanted to say (which news reports now suggest was around the time that he had told the club he wanted to leave) was disrespecting the club?
You don't think mentioning wearing the Barcelona shirt in an interview was disrespecting the club?
You don't think posting a video of himself fecking around and laughing in the stands whilst the club is being knocked out of the League Cup is disrespecting the club?

I wonder if Fergie believes any of the above were disrespectful to the club?

C'mon guys you're better than this. You need to separate your feelings towards Mourinho from the facts of the Pogba situation. There is no question whatsoever that his actions have destabilised the club - how can putting your own self-serving situation above the club NOT be disrespectful?

No I do not, I think its disrespectful to the manager. Also its distasteful, but I don't think he disrespected the club. In the same way I don't think Ronaldo and Ramos disrespected Real Madrid.

The video he posted, I don't think anything of it, and its ridiculous its been mentioned IMO

The part about Barca I believe has already been debunked.

So do I think Pogba has been a bit of a prick yes! Do I think he has disrespected the whole club no.

 

[Bestietom]

I think we are in a bad place atm and don't think things can be mended to be honest. Too many players have fallen out with Mourinho and he does not show that he wants to put things right. Maybe time for change now, before it is too late.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

I think it would make most sense to drop Pogba until he starts respecting the manager. Short-term it might be tricky, but long-term it is the only way to go IMV. Now if that happens, we could go to a 352 which probably suits our personnel better. With Shaw and hopefully Dalot providing the width. The biggest problem with that is which 3 centre backs to go for, because we'd really do need one who is capable on the ball.

---------------de Gea
------Bailly--Smalling--Lindelof
Dalot--------------------------Shaw
-------Fred---Matic---Pereira
-----Lukaku/Rash---Martial/Sanchez

@RedSky
That coincides with the Sanchez signing

That's been the case since he took the Job over from LVG, the wing backs, the extra strikers he has in Rashford & Martial, the fact we didn't have any target men, the lack of quantity in midfield, the CB's better ability to play in a back 3 than a back 3 - but he went back to his 4231 - his one formation that he relies on at every club never mind the players that are there at his disposal.

I've not doubt that woodward at the start told Jose - go win the title by the second season but adapt to United's way - the formation, the type of player he wants, the type of player he got, the tactics - none of it happened.

He turned his forwards in to wingers, played one new striker upfront, kept the wing backs further back, got rid of ball playing defenders that are suited to 3CB's formation, made Pogba play more defensively than he needed to be.

 

[sunama]

Why are excuses always made for our club? Plenty of other teams with lesser players are able to function as a team and play football that is pleasing on the eye. Also plenty of managers are able to implement it without needing hundreds of millions of transfer funds and several seasons to rebuild a team. Why is our club exception? We have every right to demand better that what we're getting.

No one is saying that you shouldn't demand better. In fact, you should absolutely demand better.
But "Jose Out"? Don't like the football style, but finish in 2nd place....yeah, Jose Out!
We win 2 trophies in the last 2 years....yeah, Jose Out!
Pogba can't keep his mouth shut.....Jose Out!

If you want the player/manager to do better, then this should be made clear. But to ask for someone to be sacked/sold after a few losses is ridiculous.

Even I am wavering, when it comes to sacking Jose, after seeing Derby out play us, but at this stage, I am still backing the manager 100%, because I know that if we get a new manager in, it would take 2 years for him to bed his ideas into the team and then attempt to win trophies in the 3rd year. Personally, I'd rather win trophies with Jose next season, rather than wait for another manager to win trophies 3 years from now.

 

[mancan92]

So you guys don't think that openly being insubordinate to the club's manager is disrespecting the club?

You don't think that destroying any good feeling after a victory in the first game of the season by seeking out journalists in the mixed zone to specifically drop incendiary quotes about 'being fined' if he truly said what he wanted to say (which news reports now suggest was around the time that he had told the club he wanted to leave) was disrespecting the club?
You don't think mentioning wearing the Barcelona shirt in an interview was disrespecting the club?
You don't think posting a video of himself fecking around and laughing in the stands whilst the club is being knocked out of the League Cup is disrespecting the club?

I wonder if Fergie believes any of the above were disrespectful to the club?

C'mon guys you're better than this. You need to separate your feelings towards Mourinho from the facts of the Pogba situation. There is no question whatsoever that his actions have destabilised the club - how can putting your own self-serving situation above the club NOT be disrespectful?

Pogbas actions haven't destabled the club. Mourinhos has. Pogbas recent action is just a reaction to what mourinho has been doing the last 2 year's. If mourinho doesn't do his usual crap then pogba doesnt act out.

 

[Klopper76]

I think we are in a bad place atm and don't think things can be mended to be honest. Too many players have fallen out with Mourinho and he does not show that he wants to put things right. Maybe time for change now, before it is too late.

Which players have actually fallen out with him in your opinion?

Pogba's an obvious one but who else? Sanchez probably loves him because he can play terribly and still starts every game.

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

Players talking bad about Jose is Karma - it always happens & good players always wants to leave. That's because it mirrors exactly what Jose does to his own players after every match.

 

[Robbie Boy]

One of the best arguments I've seen is that Mourinho deserves at least two more seasons because he wasn't backed in the transfer market this summer.

It's madness. You would swear people have some personal vendetta against the man. I mean, I would rather he was getting the best out of the players and everything was rosy. Unfortunately, that's not the case and all the signs point to him not being able to turn it around. Nobody wants more upheaval ffs, but nobody should want a bad rot to set in and us slipping further away from teams that are clearly getting better and better.

 

[The Firestarter]

Ok, let's sum up.

3 wins on a spin, pretty decent performances. Then comes Wolves game, we weren't the best, Pogba fecked up a goal, tie. After the game he goes to the press and criticise the manager. He is stripped of a captain armband, and then while watching the League Cup match he films around and posts it on Instagram. Only one who posted anything. Next day the manager starts an conversation about that Instagram posts he acts like a bellend.

So, can someone explain me why some much people is defending him? Especially after all this shit in the summer.

Wrong thread.

 

[RedSky]

No one is saying that you shouldn't demand better. In fact, you should absolutely demand better.
But "Jose Out"? Don't like the football style, but finish in 2nd place....yeah, Jose Out!
We win 2 trophies in the last 2 years....yeah, Jose Out!
Pogba can't keep his mouth shut.....Jose Out!

If you want the player/manager to do better, then this should be made clear. But to ask for someone to be sacked/sold after a few losses is ridiculous.

Even I am wavering, when it comes to sacking Jose, after seeing Derby out play us, but at this stage, I am still backing the manager 100%, because I know that if we get a new manager in, it would take 2 years for him to bed his ideas into the team and then attempt to win trophies in the 3rd year. Personally, I'd rather win trophies with Jose next season, rather than wait for another manager to win trophies 3 years from now.

Really though? Plenty of examples of Managers going into a new club and changing their fortunes quickly. We also have no way of knowing that Jose will win trophies next season. You could argue that with Chelsea and Arsenal improving it's going to be even more difficult for us to win trophies. When you look at our forwards goal scoring in 2018 PL it makes grim reading. For all of those players to be doing so badly can't be a coincidence surely? They're not all that bad, so why are they all struggling (except Lukaku) to score goals?

In 23 PL Games:
Lukaku - 10 goals
Martial - 3 goals
Rashford - 3 goals
Sanchez - 2 goals
Lingard - 2 goals
Mata - 0 goals

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

No I do not, I think its disrespectful to the manager. Also its distasteful, but I don't think he disrespected the club. In the same way I don't think Ronaldo and Ramos disrespected Real Madrid.

The video he posted, I don't think anything of it, and its ridiculous its been mentioned IMO

The part about Barca I believe has already been debunked.

So do I think Pogba has been a bit of a prick yes! Do I think he has disrespected the whole club no.

Do I think you are hugely influenced by your blind hatred for Mourinho. Yes.

Just try and take Mourinho out of it for a moment (I know you'll find that hard). The club appoint the manager - only a couple of days ago Woodward spoke about backing the manager with more funds for transfers - and you have a subordinate player openly criticising the manager, as well as making ambiguous comments about playing elsewhere. Manchester United are paying his fecking wages and he's doing everything he can to destabilise the club...(most likely because he wants a move), and that is not disrespectful to the club? Unbelievable.

Funnily enough Fergie described Pogba as showing no respect for the club back in 2012, but even with the knowledge that he's done it once before and has now done a string of other stuff, all of a sudden his disrespect is only for Mourinho? You are joking.

 

[Cassidy]

Do I think you are hugely influenced by your blind hatred for Mourinho. Yes.

Just try and take Mourinho out of it for a moment (I know you'll find that hard). The club appoint the manager - only a couple of days ago Woodward spoke about backing the manager with more funds for transfers - and you have a subordinate player openly criticising the manager, as well as making ambiguous comments about playing elsewhere. Manchester United are paying his fecking wages and he's doing everything he can to destabilise the club...(most likely because he wants a move), and that is not disrespectful to the club? Unbelievable.

Funnily enough Fergie described Pogba as showing no respect for the club back in 2012, but even with the knowledge that he's done it once before and has now done a string of other stuff, all of a sudden his disrespect is only for Mourinho? You are joking.

I don't hate him.

If Pogba said something like what Rooney said about the club not having ambition, then I would have agreed with you.

I do not think criticising the managers tactics is disrespecting the club, although I know its a commonly held notion that no players can speak out about a manager. It's not something that I believe and never have.

Managers have always used this as a tool to control players.

I think disrespecting the club is speaking badly about the club, fans, etc. Not an individual.

With regards to what happened with Pogba under Fergie, it wasn't on my radar, maybe he did disrespect the club back then, I don't know. But I didn't think we were talking about back then. If anything it seems you are the one who hates someone.

 

[Rusholme Ruffian]

Pogbas actions haven't destabled the club. Mourinhos has. Pogbas recent action is just a reaction to what mourinho has been doing the last 2 year's. If mourinho doesn't do his usual crap then pogba doesnt act out.

Oh yeah, he'd never do something like that would he?! https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...chester-United-as-he-leaves-for-Juventus.html

 

[Aloysius's Back 3]

No one is saying that you shouldn't demand better. In fact, you should absolutely demand better.
But "Jose Out"? Don't like the football style, but finish in 2nd place....yeah, Jose Out!
We win 2 trophies in the last 2 years....yeah, Jose Out!
Pogba can't keep his mouth shut.....Jose Out!

If you want the player/manager to do better, then this should be made clear. But to ask for someone to be sacked/sold after a few losses is ridiculous.

Even I am wavering, when it comes to sacking Jose, after seeing Derby out play us, but at this stage, I am still backing the manager 100%, because I know that if we get a new manager in, it would take 2 years for him to bed his ideas into the team and then attempt to win trophies in the 3rd year. Personally, I'd rather win trophies with Jose next season, rather than wait for another manager to win trophies 3 years from now.

What makes you think Jose will get it right in his third year when he hasn't before?

In 2 years time - this club would lukaku upfront playing as a target man, arnautpvic as his back up, with willian or perisic on one side, Sanchez or another inverted LW on the other side. Pogba would be out. Fellaini would be our star player, we would be looking for the same type of player as Matic.

That type of players playing his type of football is not going to win&be consistent in the PL - he is up against Pep, Klopp, ppchettinp, sarri - who all have team dynamic capabilities much higher than Jose has even if he had a blank cheque book.

Would he ever utilise a false 9 like firmimho to get the best of two inverted forwards like mane & Salah? Would he ever use 2AM's playing possession football held by one CDM?

Iv now seen Pep go to 3 different clubs & have 3 different formations & tactics - the same with Klopp. For Jose however, his formation & tactics won't change - he'd change this club to Chelsea 3.0 because it bought him success. That's all that matters.

 

[Robbie Boy]

Ok, let's sum up.

3 wins on a spin, pretty decent performances. Then comes Wolves game, we weren't the best, Pogba fecked up a goal, tie. After the game he goes to the press and criticise the manager. He is stripped of a captain armband, and then while watching the League Cup match he films around and posts it on Instagram. Only one who posted anything. Next day the manager starts an conversation about that Instagram posts he acts like a bellend.

So, can someone explain me why some much people is defending him? Especially after all this shit in the summer.

Well that's not true, unless of course you didn't watch the games. The Burnley performance was positive but the next two certainly weren't. Low standards and all that...

 

[JonDahl]

I am still backing the manager 100%, because I know that if we get a new manager in, it would take 2 years for him to bed his ideas into the team and then attempt to win trophies in the 3rd year.

No, actually, you don’t know that. There have been managers in the past that have done great instantly, Mourinho being one of them.

In any case, a manager that comes and does need 3 years to challenge, if we are moving in the right direction (you know, playing good football, not spending £150 million every summer, not have average plodders steal huge wages every week that we can’t shift) the fans will be patient. When there is a clear direction with good foundations, people will believe.

 

[lsd]

It's got to the point now where it annoys me that when I check online he hasn't been sacked yet .

I'd takes Moyes back over Jose at this point

 

[Robbie Boy]

Isn't it funny the horrible publicity Chelsea got towards the end of Mourinho's tenure and the horrible publicity we are now getting. I wonder what the common denominator is. Honestly, no other club is getting anywhere near the amount of shite in the media as we are and it's all self inflicted. The ABU media rhetoric just doesn't fly with me.

If I were an oppo fan I would find all of this utterly hilarious to be completely honest. Remember we had the KRAP (Keep Rodgers At Pool) joke? I would say any oppo fan is absolutely dying for Mourinho to stay as long as possible.

 

[Borden]

Busy days for Mourinho fans, desperately trying to put out fires in every thread

 

[Robbie Boy]

Mourinho finishing second last season is kind of like what could have happened with LvG after winning the FA Cup. The board could have kept him on despite everything indicating that we were going nowhere under him. Then the same arguments would have been made on here "oh but how could you sack him 6 games in when he just won an FA Cup". Luckily the board saw sense and still removed him.

So yeah, absolutely nobody is saying sack him after 6 games as it makes no sense considering he's now into his third season here. We may have finished 2nd last season but there were very clear red flags and things have clearly deteriorated since then.

 

[Esquire]

All the Mou-in guys I wanna ask a question.

Have seen a lot of justification of Mou being a winner (the other teams like Pool and Spurs have not won anything) and we finished second so it’s progress etc.

So what would be a successful season in your eyes given all the farcical stuff that’s going on ON TOP of the recent bad performances?

Based on the arguments above it would seem that the natural inference is that we win the PL as that is the only improvement from 2nd last year?

 

[Raees]

All the Mou-in guys I wanna ask a question.

Have seen a lot of justification of Mou being a winner (the other teams like Pool and Spurs have not won anything) and we finished second so it’s progress etc.

So what would be a successful season in your eyes given all the farcical stuff that’s going on ON TOP of the recent bad performances?

Based on the arguments above it would seem that the natural inference is that we win the PL as that is the only improvement from 2nd last year?

Even if we finish 6th and zero trophies, they will argue that a) the squad isn't good enough and Mourinho squeezed as much as he could out of them the year before and it is Woodward's fault for not providing funds b) Pogba for poisoning the squad, and if we sell him - the team will get back on track c) the fanbase fault, for not fully supporting the manager and creating a negative climate.

There is just no way out for the 'loyalists'. Mourinho is simply infallible.

 

[liamp]

I'm not really sure I understand the logic of using Van Gaal or previous managers as the baseline that gauges Mourinho's success. Surely the baseline should be the other clubs we're competing with? It's fine to indicate our record and certain key statistics were better than they were under either Van Gaal or Moyes, but we've fallen further behind the top club (City at this point in time) and you could easily make the case we've been surpassed by Liverpool and Chelsea.

It's fine to say that Mourinho has been more successful than Van Gaal, but it's difficult to cling onto that notion as the reason to continue having faith when we don't appear to be making any real ground on our actual competition. Our expectation for our manager shouldn't be reduced to "better than the last bloke."