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Many pundits said that Pep wouldn't cut in the PL after his first season but Attacking Coaches giving time build offensive sides that are set up to win by 3 or 4 goals not go 1 nill up then park the bus.

Our problem is clear to see our two biggest rivals within the Northwest have trusted this footballing philosphy and are now reaping the rewards with entertaining football and putting the so called difficult premier league teams to the sword playing football very similar to what they played in foreign leagues.

Zidane can not happen soon enough for me!
Yeah, Liverpool and City are so good right now that they are making the league more boring and predictable than it should be. It was not standard procedure for PL teams to wipe the floor week in week out with their less fortunate counterparts.
It was okay not too long ago to win the PL while dropping some points along the way. Not so much anymore, and that's what a lot of people can't see: the league has changed, football has changed, the players has changed. Old models are obsolete. Romance as you want about how things used to be. Me too enjoyed that time more than the present days but they won't return.
I'd rather see my club modernize itself rather than become a midtable dinosaur that looks more likely to drop to the Championship than winning the league again.
 

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To expand upon Pep's record at away knock-out games in the champions league, which is rather poor, given the players and teams he's managed, and the resources he's had:

Away CL games in KO rounds:
Zizou vs. Pep's (Barca , Bayern , City) & Pep's total:
(Wins) 67% vs. (25% , 11% , 33%) & 21%
(Draws) 11% vs. (50% , 44% , 0%) & 42%
(Losses) 22% vs. (25% , 44% , 67%) & 37%

It clearly shows that his style of play, though quite good in the league, isn't suited to tough CL games, which usually happen during the away games at KO rounds, as we've seen him get exposed time and time again.
It was one season though... I mean the previous 2 he won the league and came second by 1 point. It just seems overly harsh. Not that I am calling him a great tactician btw. But the criticism seems over the top to me.

Other managers have had worse league campaigns and are seen as tactical geniuses
It should be added that Zizou had a staggering 85% winrate in the league in his first season (with only one loss, against Atleti, which was one of his first matches on the bench), that'd have been more than enough to win the league in any season, but Benitez had lost so many points that Zizou still came up 1 point short. And of course he won his second league, so it's not far-fetched to say 2 out of 3 leagues (not counting Benitez' mess), and 3 out of 3 champions leagues. That's unrivaled.
 
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Im all for it.

What team do we think he'd play with our current players?
Can definitely see him favoring Sanchez to Lukaku as the number 9. Martial will probably be back into the team as a starter. Hard to say what he would do with the RW. Midfield would probably remain Matic Pogs Fred. Can’t really say what he would do with our CB’s. As someone who’s teams have relied a lot on the FB’s to stretch the pitch and get crosses in, think it wouldn’t be long before Dalot and Shaw were firmly our starting FB’s.

Of course I could be entirely wrong :lol:
 

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To expand upon Pep's record at away knock-out games in the champions league, which is rather poor, given the players and teams he's managed, and the resources he's had:

Away CL games in KO rounds:
Zizou vs. Pep's (Barca , Bayern , City) & Pep's total:
(Wins) 67% vs. (25% , 11% , 33%) & 21%
(Draws) 11% vs. (50% , 44% , 0%) & 42%
(Losses) 22% vs. (25% , 44% , 67%) & 37%

It clearly shows that his style of play, though quite good in the league, isn't suited to tough CL games, which usually happen during the away games at KO rounds, as we've seen him get exposed time and time again.

It should be added that Zizou had a staggering 85% winrate in the league in his first season (with only one loss, against Atleti, which was one of his first matches on the bench), that'd have been more than enough to win the league in any season, but Benitez had lost so many points that Zizou still came up 1 point short. And of course he won his second league, so it's not far-fetched to say 2 out of 3 leagues (not counting Benitez' mess), and 3 out of 3 champions leagues. That's unrivaled.
:lol:

He won 1 league.
 

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He won 1 league.
It was an impossible job, if you project his total points over the whole season it'd be more than 100 points, which has never ever happened, let alone surpassing it.

At the very least you have to say that he didn't lose 2 league titles.

Anyways the main point was that Pep is pretty average in tough CL games, Mr. City lover, he's got like one third of the win% by Zizou with one of the best sides in history, that's like the difference between a midtable club with a record breaking champion.
 

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I'll say this only once. Even if You are not a Jose fan boy giving a job to an unproven manager that has won 3 CL by simply coordinating a stellar squad and getting a few dodgy ref decisions spells a disaster for a club with a limited squad that has Got no real sense of direction. Sacking the current manager will only make things worse regardless of who is on charge
Bet family and friends have heard you use that expression nearly every day.
 

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Can a reasonable argument be made on a forum without facts being twisted?
Zidane First season​
20 matches
53 points
2.65 points per game
17 wins
3 draws
0 defeats
85% win rate.
63 goals scored
3.15 goals per game
16 conceded
Equivalent of 100 points for a full season.
Zidane second season​
38 games
93 points
2.447 points per game
29 wins
6 draws
3 losses
106 goals
2.79 goals per game
41 conceded
Zidane third season​
38 games
76 points
2 points per game
22 wins
10 draws
6 losses
94 goals
2.5 goals per game
44 conceded.
So two very good seasons and I admit, one bad one. He still won the champions league. A bad third league season - mind you, he won the UCL - where they started the season badly after all their exploits in his second season took its toll should not erase or even belittle an iota of what he achieved in three years there.
They were 19 points behind Barca by January but ended up finish 17 points behind an almost invicible Barca, which points to a poor start to the season.
I know people will go on about how he had the greatest team of all time etc, but I can show you Ancelotti, 'one of the greatest manager of all time' etc with basically the same squad, just without Morata and he could only dream of doing better.
People just try to make it look like he had the best despite the fact he made that team. He inherited a poor, underperforming team and comfortably turned them into the best team in the world.
Won't mind him if he can motivate us to trophies :rolleyes:
 
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Reports Zidane taking English lessons to replace Jose but I can't tell if it's true or the papers sourced the info from reading redcafe
 

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Reports Zidane taking English lessons to replace Jose but I can't tell if it's true or the papers sourced the info from reading redcafe
Put a house on sale, searching for property, taking some lessons. It's all a fixed template in the media, they just fill in the blanks and keep attracting clickbait.
 

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I have huge reservations about Zidane coming in, but I know with certainty that it'd be one thing: exciting.

And when is the last time we were truly excited? Not by false dawns or solid pre seasons, not by big name signings, but by the football itself.

Just do it.
 

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Just because Mourinho needs to go doesn't mean we should hire Zidane immediately because he's the most reputable name available. A bit of due diligence and forward thinking wouldn't go amiss
 

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Not convinced he's the right man but I'll take Martinez right now, not to talk of Zizou.
 

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Imagine how good he would look on a billboard advertising watches. It’s all Woodward cares about.
 

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I wish Sarri was still avaliable

Not sure about Zidane. Real Madrids football style didnt look that great when I watched them...and that was with players with far more ability than ours

But anything is better than continining with Mourinho, get him out asap
 

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I wish Sarri was still avaliable

Not sure about Zidane. Real Madrids football style didnt look that great when I watched them...and that was with players with far more ability than ours

But anything is better than continining with Mourinho, get him out asap
My concerns about Zidane are voiced in this article:

https://www.google.co.in/amp/s/www.fourfourtwo.com/features/just-how-good-zidane-manager-why-real-madrid-boss-just-keeps-winning?_format=amp

Quite often, his team don't even play well. Yet in Europe, they keep winning
Those lines served as a preamble for the 2016/17 season. Whatever tactical system Zidane had in place, it tended to be a chaotic one, with Madrid leaking goals. Yet time after time they fought back. More often than not, their grit was enough to win the game. “Madrid have an extraordinary competitive spirit,” said ex-Madrid player, coach and director Jorge Valdano. “Nobody plays bad football as well as Madrid.”
Some of it sounds similar to what we are going through, except that Madrid had better players who could bail them out. Will be happy if these concerns are misguided though.
 

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I saw Henry in the stadium, maybe he'd be a decent option, he seems to like United too.