Chelsea don't seem to have a problem attracting top managers.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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The biggest statement the fans can make is by boycotting the games. Empty seats will maybe force the boards hand.
Chelsea are a very different club and they do not compare at all in terms of the pressure cooker that the job is. I don't think there is any job bar maybe Real Madrid where the level of expectation and scrutiny is the same. Unlike Real Madrid, our setup, and our players are nowhere near delivering on those expectations.
I may be totally wrong, but I just don't think a top manager on an upwards trajectory who's got something to lose (legacy, progression etc) would want to come into the club at this moment in time. Sure, loads of managers who might see it as a once in a lifetime opportunity (your Eddie Howe's) would likely jump at the chance, but why would a Zidane come here without getting assurances from the board that he will get 100% backing in the market even if that means expensive reassembling of the squad? And I'm not sure the board is ready to start another phase of serious investment.
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Fair enough, then explain to me why you think Mourinho deserves more time given the circumstances?
Doesn't seem to have any effect at City.
Our source of revenue is a bit different to theirs.
Hey, look at me, I spit in the face of common sense and defiantly refuse to follow the crowd. Give me attention
I've done little more than explain it in my posts in this thread. I'll do a short bullet point summary
- Don't think a new manager now is a good idea - players need to play for their futures, club structure needs changing before new appointment.
- Worried about player power, especially with regards to players who do not give their all, turning it on and off.
- Don't think the coaching staff can handle the job and the scrutiny it brings.
- Still think if he is backed by the club in no uncertain terms that he can mend things within the dressing room.
- Reassess at the end of the season.
- Make peace with Pogba or sell him.
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You know that will never happen though, the closest the fans will get to show their discontent is by flying a plane over OT carrying the message "JOSE OUT!" or something equally ineffective.
I'd be willing to put money on such an event occurring during the Newcastle game in fact.
I had one Monday for last nights match. I’ve never had one that late before.
If there are empty seats at OT then it’s costing the Glazers money. That will make them sit up and take notice.
Well Personally I am just amazed at this thread.
I can't believe we have got to nearly two full pages and we haven't had a Downfall / Hitler's Bunker Meme video about Jose yet!
A week ago I would have agreed with you all but Jose's grandstanding with players and almost throwing games to prove a point to Ed is where he crossed the Rubicon as far as I'm concerned.
He can peel the paint off the walls of the dressing room or in private at Carrington but you don't wash your dirty linen in public and play games with paying fans to make a cheap point to your boss.
I can't believe we have got to nearly two full pages and we haven't had a Downfall / Hitler's Bunker Meme video about Jose yet!
A week ago I would have agreed with you all but Jose's grandstanding with players and almost throwing games to prove a point to Ed is where he crossed the Rubicon as far as I'm concerned.
He can peel the paint off the walls of the dressing room or in private at Carrington but you don't wash your dirty linen in public and play games with paying fans to make a cheap point to your boss.
I was about to say the same.
It's almost as if he has travelled to the future and brought back information of what is taking place.
How much did Varane cost?
And did Phil Jones leave on a free or did someone pay for him? And better still, if someone did pay for him, which club did?
Lots of continental coaches are actually used to not having 100% control in the transfer market. They usually work with a sporting director.
I'm not sure what makes Chelsea so different. Their owner is less patient with managers than we are, he keeps sacking them all the time and still has no problem attracting more. Less media scrutiny? Perhaps. But an actual top manager is not going to shy away from that pressure. Just like Conte didn't shy away from going to Chelsea after they finished 10th and the previous manager was fired after complaining that he wasn't backed by the board. Which sounds familiar.
I'm still backing the manager but only just and that's mainly because I'm not sure we'll turn it around.
I find it difficult because so many of the arguments against Jose are bullshit I'm always in a position of arguing against them but it doesn't mean i have absolute support for the manager. I think I'm not the only one in that situation.
Just read a Guardian article which claimed Moyes attacked, LvG attacked but apparently last night we didn't attack. There's just no logic to that, we obviously tried to attack but failed in doing so.
I find it difficult because so many of the arguments against Jose are bullshit I'm always in a position of arguing against them but it doesn't mean i have absolute support for the manager. I think I'm not the only one in that situation.
Just read a Guardian article which claimed Moyes attacked, LvG attacked but apparently last night we didn't attack. There's just no logic to that, we obviously tried to attack but failed in doing so.
It is impossible to understand how some can still want him after all that's been happenning.
I suppose anything is possible in terms of turnaround but we don't seem to have the players for that and most importantly we don't seem to have an open minded manager for that.
His methods are failing big time (team of giants with zero off-the-ball movement basically). He isn't tactically flexible enough to create a positive vibe around the club
I suppose anything is possible in terms of turnaround but we don't seem to have the players for that and most importantly we don't seem to have an open minded manager for that.
His methods are failing big time (team of giants with zero off-the-ball movement basically). He isn't tactically flexible enough to create a positive vibe around the club
Sigh.
Fallen out with the dressing room. Fallen out with the board. On the brink of falling out with the fans. Plays the worst football in the league. Not delivering results on the pitch. Publicly criticizing the club and team. Has a history of irreversible meltdowns in his third season at other clubs.
Well, its not like I don't get why people still support him. You get to secure the moral highground after all. If he succeeds, you get to say 'I told you so!'. If he fails, you can always say 'I was just backing the manager like a top red, get on my level'.
Fallen out with the dressing room. Fallen out with the board. On the brink of falling out with the fans. Plays the worst football in the league. Not delivering results on the pitch. Publicly criticizing the club and team. Has a history of irreversible meltdowns in his third season at other clubs.
Well, its not like I don't get why people still support him. You get to secure the moral highground after all. If he succeeds, you get to say 'I told you so!'. If he fails, you can always say 'I was just backing the manager like a top red, get on my level'.
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I’ve had one saying that if I book for Saturday I can guarantee the same seat for the Jueve match.
I'm in that same place. I don't defend everything he says, every lineup he rolls out, etc. He often does not help himself. If we're still spiralling downwards around the end of the year I'd change my tune.
The idea that he can turn it around with new players is silly. He has signed 10 players...10. only two at the most can be said to be a success and and that's even arguable. That's a success rate of 20%. When you add the fact that he can't get a tune out of the players he met, it's virtually impossible he proves to be a success regardless if how long or how much you give him.
Again, it's not about that at all. There will be no "told you so" or "I always back the manager". I didn't back Moyes, I think I wanted him sacked around Christmas. With LVG I wanted him sacked halfway through his 2nd year. There is no moral high ground. I was often critical of SAF (without ever wanting him sacked). It's just about differing opinions on our short-term approach and our long-term approach.
He was talking about Moyes not this clown.
The way United fan's imagine the role of manager doesn't really exist in other countries, all the managers that people are mentioning, are head coaches and they don't have full backing in the market, in fact in theory they have zero backing. They beg for a player and their superiors agree or don't.
Just had one email from them about tickets available for Newcastle (thought this was sold out when I last looked?
). Was the same for the Valencia game.I'm still backing Jose. Holding on to the thin hope he turns it around.
I'm not saying 2nd is a bad achievement. Considering our previous positions it is progress. However its the manor of which he says it like fans should be happy at finishing second and not winning any silverware.
Since February we have been on a downward spiral in terms of performances and results. This season I have already missed 3 games because every time I turn it on it's dull as dishwater. Watching football is after all meant to be entertainment
All his interviews are not about the club anymore. It's him vs the rest of the world, including Manchester United now. '3 Premier League titles, more than all other coaches in the league combined', 'I do not have the creativity to play out from the back' 'there are players that care more than others'. I could keep going on with these quotes. Respect is earnt, not demanded. He's been miserable for years. My only fear is if Mourinho can't handle the pressure what manager can?
Everyone told us this would happen. Everyone. It’s happened before. Recently, too! He fell out with Hazard and took Chelsea down to 16th in his last 3rd year meltdown. Tonnes of other fans queued up to tell us how toxic and selfish he was and how it’d eventually go exactly like this.
Yes, there are other factors, and yes I wanted to believe too, but the sheer delusional mental gymnastics needed to pretend this somehow isn’t going exactly to schedule, isn’t massively a fault of his own making or being made inexorably worse by him at this point, or even that a better more attacking manager couldn’t get more out of these players than one that is on record as having no interest in how to coach attacking players, is utterly baffling to me.
What do you people want? To stick with him just long enough to make sure we also lose some of our best and brightest players too? ‘Till we’re just Fellaini United!? I literally don’t get it. What are you basing any of this trust on? This is exactly who Jose is, and has always been. He probably would’ve won the league last year in a ‘normal’ season, and we’d be right, bang on course for the “usual” Jose career path. What exactly are we trying to cling onto here? What even shows the smallest incling of promise, based on anything we know whatsoever?
Yes, there are other factors, and yes I wanted to believe too, but the sheer delusional mental gymnastics needed to pretend this somehow isn’t going exactly to schedule, isn’t massively a fault of his own making or being made inexorably worse by him at this point, or even that a better more attacking manager couldn’t get more out of these players than one that is on record as having no interest in how to coach attacking players, is utterly baffling to me.
What do you people want? To stick with him just long enough to make sure we also lose some of our best and brightest players too? ‘Till we’re just Fellaini United!? I literally don’t get it. What are you basing any of this trust on? This is exactly who Jose is, and has always been. He probably would’ve won the league last year in a ‘normal’ season, and we’d be right, bang on course for the “usual” Jose career path. What exactly are we trying to cling onto here? What even shows the smallest incling of promise, based on anything we know whatsoever?
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But the players won't play for a manager who they have no faith in, a manager they do not believe will help them progress in their respective careers or lead the club to success and by extension the players themselves. Jose has lost the dressing room at 3 separate clubs in identical fashion, which would indicate to me that the problem lies with Jose and his style of management.
He has been sufficiently back from day one. After spending in excess of £400 million in the transfer market on players who have largely failed to impress such as Bailly, Lindelof, Miki, Sanchez, Pogba and Fred (still needs more time to be fair) can you really blame the board for holding back last summer? It's pointless endlessly backing your manager financially if his acquisitions continually fail. Eventually, you have to draw the line, it's only natural.
By which time we would have inevitably failed to qualify for the CL, costing the club a large sum of money and prestige in equal measure and making transfers that much more difficult the following summer - the type of world-class players United are searching for demand to be playing on the biggest stage in the game, that being the CL.
Pogba is an arrogant self-serving twat, just like Jose. It if were up to me they would both be kicked out of the club tomorrow.
In summary, no disrespect intended but you have been unable to provide a single valid reason for Jose Mourinho to continue as manager of our club. I'm not knocking you for it because one such does not exist. Jose needs to go asap if we are salavage anything from this season, allowing him to continue in his role will amount to nothing more than a fruitless endeavour.
I'm having hope to have a blinder defensive season in Champions League and win it.
Apparently they were selling the tickets from the ticket office for last nights match.Just had one email from them about tickets available for Newcastle (thought this was sold out when I last looked?
Now that is worrying.
How the hell is ronaldo and juve not a sell out
I can understand the anxieties caused by the thought of a new man coming in mid-season, having to run his eye over a new squad while getting us competitive on several fronts this year. I'd add that it may be tough to get a manager worth his salt to come into the heat of an unravelling season and make a long-term success of it here.
The question is what's the alternative? Leave Jose in place and hope he turns it around (not happening for me) or brace ourselves for a zombie season in which rancour grows on all sides in the club? For me while we have a season to save the choice is between who we get in for a salvage job; the man we want long-term (if we can get him), or a caretaker/interim until the end of the season. Leaving Jose in post is an option, but it's a terrible one that helps nobody.
Cannot believe I've woken up this morning without a report of him being fired.
How does he turn it round though?. He can’t buy any players now and would struggle in january transfer window, he isn’t going to change his personality or tactical approach. He has reached that point of no return now and won’t be manager next season.
Board could allow him to start all over again but as impressive as his CV is longevity and rebuilding aren’t his strengths. He is about delivering trophies short term and the moving on, normally its league titles or champions league but we got the europa and the league cup.
What would you like to see happen now? McKenna & Carrick as caretaker managers? To be honest, I'd prefer that to appointing a new manager for the long-term right now. If it were to happen I'd also prefer there to be no talk of "if they do a really good job..", but a clear understanding that there will be a new manager appointed after that caretaker stint.
How some of you still back him is an enigma to me. We are 5 points behind Arsenal in the league it's an absolute disgrace. How can you back him after he makes utterly moronic decisions like playing Herrera and Mctominay at CB. Last night was shambolic as well, champions league night at old trafford and we can't even score a single goal against a piss poor team. We have 3 losses in 7 games and we still have to play City, Liverpool, Chelsea home and away. If we keep him for the rest of the season we are heading towards a 10th place finish mark my words he will drag the club down to the abyss.
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