The earliest he will be sacked is after failing to qualify from our CL group. Won't be easy seeing as Valencia are even worse than us.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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No this isn't enough for me. We need more. Where is the dreaded vote of confidence given to LVG?
I just want him to stay long enough so Zidane gets another job. Then maybe we can atcually go after a manager who can coach the team into a coherent unit not just go ow they have won trophies let’s hire them.
Aren't both of those reporters/journalists unreliable though? Especially Jamie Jackson.
Wouldn't take much notice.
Wouldn't take much notice.
Great by Barney Ronay here. He's talking about how Sanchez has become the embodiment of this club at the moment, rather than the player he promised to be a few years back:
We're not paying him 30m in compensation. We will wait for the no-CL-qualifcation clause to be triggered. That means it has to be mathematically impossible to get top 4 AND we have to be out of the CL (
) and EL.
) and EL.Advanced B'day wishes. May this wish(at least) come true
Could be a good time to sack him with Steve Bruce ready for a new challenge.
Seriously though you guys cannot go on like this for much longer. I like Jose but he does seem to have a 3 year shelf life at clubs before the rot sets in.
Seriously though you guys cannot go on like this for much longer. I like Jose but he does seem to have a 3 year shelf life at clubs before the rot sets in.
Approx 10.7% of fans on here must be from rival clubs, I can't see that 1 in 10 United fans would want him to stay.
Quick someone get me a cabbage and a ticket for the Newcastle game...
Great,he should resign in protest
Absolutely fuming as he survives another day, bunch of feckin morons running the club.
Ha he turned the wrath of the fans on Woodward and the board this summer. Now he's on the receiving end of an insurbodinant employee
I'm concerned Woody has a thing for Mourinho. Why on earth is he nearly the ONLY person supporting Manchester that wants this to continue?
Michael Laudrup and Jan Mølby discussed this issue last night on Danish television and they both agreed that United should stay with Mourinho, as no one decent is available right now to take over. And they made the point that while Zidane did outstandingly in Madrid, he knew Real inside out and had a vastly different squad and would probably struggle to succeed in Manchester. I'm not sure I agree with them on the first point, as imo Manchester United is too big of a club to be this boring watching. And while the usual suspects like Klopp, Pep, Allegri etc. are all occupied, surely somewhere there is a manager that can make you look forward to seeing your games. I know I struggle to make it through a United match these days, and I'm basically a football junkie.
With the hot summer and drought conditions it might be tricky to get a good cabbage, the match ticket will be easy to get.
Why not? It's not like you have a worse team than spurs or arsenal. Or even chelsea or liverpool
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Changed my vote to yes. I was not happy when he joined as his personality never sat well with me. However, I always back the club and manager final straw was his post match interview yesterday. He just kept talking about last year’s achievements etc. Enough is enough. For the good of the club, he should either leave or get the sack. We need a manager who brings confidence, positivity and talks about the future rather than the past. Really disappointed like many on here right now. Need a change to get some spark back ASAP.
I don't think that we'll set the league on fire. The squad is not good enough and on a director level the lack of football people is hurting us a lot. It takes United too much to get rid of dead wood, we sign too few players and each time we negotiate we are taken to the cleaners both in terms of fees and salaries.
However we need to start from someone and having a sour tactical dinosaur who is throwing everyone under the bus in a bid to cover his arse is not helping us at all. After all we can have SAF, Napoleon or even Alexander the Great as manager but if the players aren't motivated enough to actually put their heart into the game then we would still lose. They certainly won't do that with someone as toxic as Mourinho
So Id say lets get rid of him now and bring in someone whose decent in tactics and who actually hasn't lost the dressing room three times at a row. Football has changed a lot in the past years. The idea of managers being ruthless generals leading brainless foot soldiers on the battlefield like some sort of chess game is obsolete and counterproductive. Hence why tacticians like LVG, Sacchi and Lippi had all but vanished in football to give way to people who see the need to man managing players as important as actually come out with a sound tactical plan of winning the game.
Kudos to SAF who noticed this shift early on. He did lost field general by reinventing himself but the result to that was a long and successful career with very few regrets and a lot of trophies. There again, we all know, that SAF was truly the special one.
We have been at this before. Big teams don't drop much points these days and Spurs usually pick their form up in the second half. In order to have any chance we have to go on a long run and we don't look like being able to string 3 wins on the row. Neither Mourinho nor any caretaker manager will be able to bring enough stability or consistency for a long run.
I want Mourinho gone now but the league is already done for me. I'll be only looking to CL for the rest of the season.
There's no guarantee the rebuilding works, even with a new set of staff and a new sets of players.
For me this is the biggest issue. People assume that changes are always for the better. It can go both ways. Even if we try to go back to our roots and tradition it's not a guarantee it will work.
Promoting more academy players? It still depends on the raw materials, does our batch of youngsters has the potential to become first team squad on merit?
Plyaing attacking football? Will it be guaranteed that we'll play better and have the result to back our performance?
Will the new dof actuallly is the right person? Or will he create and even bigger mess?
Does our problems is due to mourinho only? Who knows that we might actually be worse if not for Mourinho? And dont laugh, there are people that says they miss lvg era.
We'd be the biggest mugs in world football to give Jose the time to turn this around, it's not like he's won us a league title, he doesn't deserve us being charitable at all.
We'll certainly won't make it with Mou. He lost the dressing room so he's a dead man walking with us.
However, things might change with a new manager on board. May I remind you that this same squad was able to finish second last year. Sure the squad had regressed and we might have fluked it. However a 3rd-4th place isn't exactly unachievable.
Assumed this thread was for fans who have cracked and are preparing to hole up in a bunker with tinned food until someone sends word that he's been given the sack.
The problem is that Mourinho lost the dressing room just as he did with Real and at Chelsea. Its that simple. Regarding transfers, sure the squad is not up for grabs but asking for 30 year old somethings on ridiculous fees isn't exactly the right way to rebuild United's fortunes
Then you know yourself nothing is going to change much from now, except that we'll regain peace in the dressing room with the new manager and good motivation for the players. Otherwise, the results will still be as it has been the last 5 years, inconsistent with lots of false down and false hope. Then you went on the rest of the post to act like we'll be completely fine once Mourinho is gone ?
Mourinho needs to be gone but without solving the other problems in the club, 2-3 years later and you'll be writing the same post but putting someone else name. Without changing the infra structure we were never move one step forward.
We finished high in the table last season because of our great start in the league. This season we had a crap start already and a gap had already been formed between us the first 4 positions. Big teams don't drop many points these days and if you're left behind that early you'll never catch up.
We'll need a long run of wins to have a chance and we sure as hell don't have any consistency or stability to do this. Mourinho won't pull it off but it's day dreaming to think a caretaker will be able to pull it off midseason.
The damage has already been done. As I said I want Mourinho gone now. Put him out of his misery but I'm not delusional.
He never moved out of the hotel. He still gives negative loser interviews.
I mean, I truly wish he was the chosen one of old and could revive us, but the clues were always there.
He was never the right fit. I wish I was wrong, I wish he could build a legacy here and really prove himself the successor. But no, he's done it's that simple. There's no turning back for him or us.
I mean, I truly wish he was the chosen one of old and could revive us, but the clues were always there.
He was never the right fit. I wish I was wrong, I wish he could build a legacy here and really prove himself the successor. But no, he's done it's that simple. There's no turning back for him or us.
That's why it would be good if we'd that option to see who's voting what.
Winning the league is out of the question. Finishing top 4? Why would it be impossible 7 games into the season? You're 5 points off spurs and arsenal, and neither of those sides is City. Why do you think you couldn't go on a good run? You've got more quality and talent than 14 other teams in the league. The big issue right now is not a lack of quality or flaws in the team's structure, it's the relationship between manager and players. A breath of fresh air, a new manager who can get those players happy, hungry and motivated, can quickly fix most of the problems
Of course not. But Mourinho already had his chance and failed. The question now is whether you'd rather wait another 3 seasons for another rebuild with him, or give the job to someone else and give him the chance to complete -complete, not rebuild- the team in the next two transfer windows
I don't quite understand how you've determined that that's some fixed scenario where it will take 3 seasons for Mourinho to get a team in the shape he wants, why?
Isn't your last sentence the best argument to move on now?
If the future manager is available immediately then it's best for him to come now with no expectation until next season, he will be given the opportunity to assess everything and everyone without pressure.
If the club really want a DOF then it's best to sack Mourinho now too, the DOF can be brought with a caretaker, he will have a lot of time to assess the team and choose the appropriate head coach for next season.
If no one is available other than a caretaker it's also a better situation, the board and staff will be able to see which players react positively and show their worth, it will make the summer house cleaning easier.
The 5-6 points gap isn't a small gap anymore and as I said, Spurs usually start poorly and pick up their form in second half of the season so that's not even their best.
The longest winning striker we have went on in the whole last 5 years was 6 wins in a row in the league and it happened 3 times only I believe. I'm not sure why you're thinking out of nowhere we'll pull out a long winning run and get past everyone else, with the current manager or not.
And sure as hell the caretaker won't be able to fix "most of the problems" midseason. Best anyone will do is to bring stability, regain peace in dressing room and try to have a good run in CL and cups while bringing some fun in the league games. That's it. Asking much more than will be over expectations from whom will take the job midseason imo.
I did in December 2015 in the 'Do you want Mourinho as manager thread'
So you think there is no guarantee a rebuilding works, but you have no issue continuing with a manager who doesn't work currently and also have no guarantee succeeding going forward?
So we are not to attempt any changes to a broken system because we have no guarantee that it will succeed?
@Bastian I think Mourinho could turn it around given the freedom to excise a few problem players and buy replacements. However, the board are never going to let him do it so his time is up and we're just pointlessly treading water until we are mathematically eliminated from the CL and their payoff clauses come into effect.
We're at the point where we need to get in a new manager to identify players who need to stay or go and get an early start on the next summer window. If the manager fails, well that's just another black mark on Woodward and those mismanaging the footballing side of the club.
We're at the point where we need to get in a new manager to identify players who need to stay or go and get an early start on the next summer window. If the manager fails, well that's just another black mark on Woodward and those mismanaging the footballing side of the club.
You won!
Exactly. The kindest words I can say about this thread and it's author is that it's myopic at best.
During moyes tenure there were a lot of threads of this nature stating we have to 'back our manager'
No thanks. I've seen enough. Jose has to go and Woodward needs to be kept away from footballing decisions and our club will rise again.
He should of spent his transfer budget on players that will run through brick walls. Mourinho doesn't appreciate creative players enough and can't coach creative players. We are absolutly shocking to watch. We are going to get hammered in the couple fixtures coming up soon.
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