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MirrorFootball: Mourinho has been made a scapegoat for Man Utd claims Wayne Rooney
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Not many times I agree with Rooney, but he’s right about few things. Players have downed the tools under three different managers. I’d like Jose gone too and was not that much happy when he was appointed but some players are just not the right fit for the club.
He's not wrong.
How can you say the players have down tools for 3 different managers, when majority of the under performers are Jose’s signings?
Matic,lukaku,pogba,Sanchez,Bailly & Lindelof underperforming.
De Gea hasn’t downed tools, Smalling is holding that defence together. Shaw has been the top performer this season. Martial & Rashford playing second fiddle to Sanchez & Lukaku. Young and Valencia have been trash but Mourinho chooses to over use them. What was it he said pre season? Young will play 50 games? Christ.
Moyes was completely unfit for the job, the players never downed tools he was just the worst possible candidate to take over from Ferg
Van Gaals just couldn't get his style to work, his last game he won the FA Cup, if he players downed tools. That would not of happened..
The manager takes full responsibility for results on the pitch, always has and always will. That's just the nature of the game, Jose knows that as well as anyone.
He's right. The team needs to show some metal.
Well there’s plenty of blame to go around.
Wonder if Rooney feels the same way about Moyes & Lvg when he was still around stinking the place up.
Rooney has played and achieved a lot for us - is one of the legends, arguably. But come on, he should know better than this.
You could find out if you read it
I think he's right about needing experienced players in the squad to guide youngsters and new arrivals through testing times.
Not just older players over 30, but strong characters
who have been at the club long enough to know what it means to be a Man Utd player and how to deal with the massive pressures that come with it.
Rooney had a wealth of such teammates to lean on in his early years (G Nev, Keane, Giggs to name a few), but young players and recent arrivals today have to rely upon Velancia, Young and Smalling (!) for this kind of support and guidance when the going gets tough.
It leaves the weaknesses in the team much more exposed and fragile under pressure or great negativity.
This also alludes to what Moirinho was getting at when he referred to the struggles of Rashford and McTominay on Saturday. We don't have these characters with that nuanced Man Utd experience these days, and unfortunately you can't buy that. SAF always had it in abundance and it comes with continuity and stability. Any successful manager needs a group of senior players beneath him to pick up any slack when needed.
Not just older players over 30, but strong characters
who have been at the club long enough to know what it means to be a Man Utd player and how to deal with the massive pressures that come with it.
Rooney had a wealth of such teammates to lean on in his early years (G Nev, Keane, Giggs to name a few), but young players and recent arrivals today have to rely upon Velancia, Young and Smalling (!) for this kind of support and guidance when the going gets tough.
It leaves the weaknesses in the team much more exposed and fragile under pressure or great negativity.
This also alludes to what Moirinho was getting at when he referred to the struggles of Rashford and McTominay on Saturday. We don't have these characters with that nuanced Man Utd experience these days, and unfortunately you can't buy that. SAF always had it in abundance and it comes with continuity and stability. Any successful manager needs a group of senior players beneath him to pick up any slack when needed.
He's right about the lack of senior players, the managerial changes have really done a number in that regard.
Hopefully we have players at the club now who will still be here in 4-5 years and we can start to build that backup. Not too confident of that though.
Hopefully we have players at the club now who will still be here in 4-5 years and we can start to build that backup. Not too confident of that though.
Yet when we win it is the players, but when we lose it is Mourinho.
Rooney has experience with that
Not as much as you were, Wazz!
I'd argue that goes back to Fergie, he said so much in the years before his retirement about leaving his successor with a good squad when what actually happened is he left an ageing squad mostly on their last legs. Rooney and Carrick were the only senior pros he had anything left in the tank and ironically had Fergie stayed on Rooney would have been sold
Disagree. Rio might sugarcoat in anyway he wants, but it was pretty clear the players had downed the tools and pretty much played half-heartedly under Moyes.
Just because Moyes was so out of depth, especially after SAF, no one complained.
Once again there is no singular reason. Jose is part of the problem, the club and players have their own share of blame.
I pray to God we'd get a good attacking coach soon that will have us playing proper football so we can stop hearing and reading all these random and cliché reasons as to why we're seeing these problems with our team.
Put in a manager who knows how to coach and has a modern mindset to football, we'll see a vast difference in our play and all these silly and farfetched theories as to why we suck will dissappear.
Put in a manager who knows how to coach and has a modern mindset to football, we'll see a vast difference in our play and all these silly and farfetched theories as to why we suck will dissappear.
He’s right!
When you guys say this rubbish about players 'downing tools' could you be more specific? Give me the name of a single player you're 100% sure has downed tools under Jose, or the managers you mentioned
exactly. Also if they had downed tools then its up to the manager to isolate those bad apples so they never play for United again. If there are too many of them then that reflects on Mou's man management and not the players in question.
Great words from Wayne. Not a surprise as it came from one of SAF golden generation players when players used to take responsibility once they step on the pitch. There's a reason or 2 why these previous generations were more likable than the current ones.
Crazy how that works, isn’t it?
Well said Rooney.
Isn't Mourinho's mantra that if we win it's because of him, but if we lose the squad isn't good enough, the ref's are garbage, the atmosphere was garbage, some player or 2 gets thrown under a bus? Swings and roundabouts at this point.
The manager isn’t the problem.
Is there any better proof that some don't even bother reading articles ?
The thing is, what player can anyone single out to claim has definitely downed tools? Even Pogba who everyone claims is at war with him is visibly trying his best. I want someone to show me a single United player who has 'downed tools'. I think people just make up absolute crap when there's no other explanation to why their favorite manager is doing badly. 'Not his players', 'players downed tools', 'player power' etc. All unfounded crap. He even claimed they downed tools under LVG. We spent whole matches passing the ball sideways amongst our defenders because they had 'downed tools' of course.
He's not the only problem but he's certainly one of them. He's in his third season, he's spent a lot of money, and we can't attack nor defend. We're awfully coached.
Additionally, he's fell out with half the team at one point or another, including many of his own signings. He deserves a lot of blame. The **** following he has on here is baffling.
Nah, Jose's approach has been whack. There's other problems without a doubt. The players themselves, the upper management. They're all problems. A good manager makes the other problems look far less of an issue.
All 3 couldn't motivate a toddler to eat a crayon though. All 3 had a poor approach to football. All 3 fecked up in the transfer market.
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We said lvg would turn things around, moyes was out of his depth. We says jose will win us a title or two, lvg has gone senile. Now we're saying the same thing all over again that the next manager would make us tick again. Lvg and mourinho are the world's top coaches when they're appointed, now they're dinosaurs. Maybe the problem isn't only the manager
Wise words from another man who overstayed his welcome at the club due to his over inflated ego.
If left in place Mourinho will pull the club down. He just can't keep his mouth shut.
Underrated comment.
Good post, especially the highlighted part. The mistake that some fans have made is assume that this kind of leadership can be bought when a leader's words will simply never have the desired impact unless they have achieved their success with the club. Barcelona had that with Xavi, Puyol, Eto'o and then Busquets, Iniesta, Messi and Piqué followed to lead the next generation. The same thing with Real with Ramos and Casillas leading the way for then Marcelo, Alonso, Ronaldo to come in and then Carvajal, Varane, Modric and Kroos. Fergie was a genius at that as he made sure every time he rebuilt his team, there was a always a link to the previous successful one to lead the way. I also always felt that Wenger's biggest mistake was getting rid of all the senior players in a short space of time leaving a big gap for his next team that he could never plug.
It's impossible for us to create that cycle now as it has been too long before we were successful and the players who were part of that don't seem to possess the qualities needed to play that role. We just have to rely on pure footballing quality to do the talking the way City did and hope for leaders to emerge from that.
Everybody agrees the problem isn't just the manager, but the managers are the problem for the short term on field product.
It's not - the board keep choosing the wrong managers for this club.
We need a young attacking coaching, Moyes, LVG and Jose are not young attacking coaches.
On the other hand people who organise a coup tend to be smarter then to expose themselves by playing shite all the time. They'll make sure to produce enough brilliance to keep the heat away from them and ro convince the next manager that they Weren't the ones to backstab the previous manager
While I agree that there is no definitive proof that the players sold Mou out, its also true that most of our players had regressed from last season
Now there are 4 possible reasons to that
a- Mou has lost the dressing room
b- Faria's exit has hit us way harder then expected
c- Mou is done. His tactics aren't effective anymore
d- The squad is too old to do well (unlikely though as very few players qualify to that)
All options lead to tge same conclusion ie Mou needs to be replaced