I'm hoping that the rumbles about DOF over the past 2 years means there has been some review and we will see something come of it. Hopefully something where we take it a step further and do it better than everyone else has before, but I am not holding my breathe to be perfectly honest.
Unai Emery - Ex-Arsenal Manager
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Well there you go. So no great surprise if things run a little smoother for them. Fecking infuriating, obviously, but still...
Woodward and his chums seem to keep failing us,in that respect.
I guess Woodward is just hoping that he'll finally bring in the right manager who offers up what the United fanbase wants.After that he can just sit back and go into relaxed mode again.
I guess Woodward is just hoping that he'll finally bring in the right manager who offers up what the United fanbase wants.After that he can just sit back and go into relaxed mode again.
Arsenal deserve a lot of credit for how they managed the post-Wenger transition. They implemented a sustainable football management structure and a clear recruitment strategy.
They have also spent a hell of a lot of money. They are seen as a club who penny pinch but they have spent major cash on players like Aubameyang, Lacazette, Ozil, Xhaka and Mustafi.
They have a good squad and are in really good form. There is no reason why they can't compete for top 4, especially if Emery can tweak his system to get both Aubameyang and Lacazette up front.
They have also spent a hell of a lot of money. They are seen as a club who penny pinch but they have spent major cash on players like Aubameyang, Lacazette, Ozil, Xhaka and Mustafi.
They have a good squad and are in really good form. There is no reason why they can't compete for top 4, especially if Emery can tweak his system to get both Aubameyang and Lacazette up front.
Emery inherited a decent bunch of players who were disjointed and weak as a team. But Moyes inherited a squad that had just won the league.
It's maybe worth some thought as well that in a way Arsenal already had their Moyes in the form of a latter year Wenger.
They couldn't fall from winning the league/top4 etc because they already had.
It does seem like they've got their manager right though, could they be a dark horse in the title race do people think?
They couldn't fall from winning the league/top4 etc because they already had.
It does seem like they've got their manager right though, could they be a dark horse in the title race do people think?
I'll give Arsenal credit for hiring a better manager to replace Wenger than we did to replace Fergie (in all truth they probably hired an upgrade) but unless it was a smokescreen Emery was never first choice for them in fact had it not been for the very public discord Arteta would be sat in the seat right now so I'm not sure I completely buy in that their DOF etc etc deserve massive credit for where they are right now
From what I understand Arteta was originally the most likely candidate until Emery came in and blew everyone away.
Apparently he knew a lot about the players, including the youth players, that everyone was incredibly impressed in the level of research he had undertaken.
Really suprised by their start, they have the weakest squad among the Top 6 by a decent margin.
The amount of moaning about the "structure" at United, and our lack of "footballing brains" behind the scenes.. All might be true, but ultimately, we have a very, very good collection of players. Most of them walk into the Arsenal starting 11. And these are just footballers. They're not showing up for training thinking "I wish Ed would hire a director of football" - they don't give a shit. Football is very simple.
Mourinho doesn't really have many excuses left here. So our CBs aren't the best in the world? Neither are Arsenals. You have to play to your strengths. Now who knows if Arsenal are actually going to keep moving forward this year - it's far too early to say - but 10 wins in a row is worth recognising. And there's no doubting he's brought a real change of energy to their club. As I think he would've done here. It'll be interesting to see how they progress.
Mourinho doesn't really have many excuses left here. So our CBs aren't the best in the world? Neither are Arsenals. You have to play to your strengths. Now who knows if Arsenal are actually going to keep moving forward this year - it's far too early to say - but 10 wins in a row is worth recognising. And there's no doubting he's brought a real change of energy to their club. As I think he would've done here. It'll be interesting to see how they progress.
I get the structure argument but it's largely the same squad that Wenger left.
LVG and Mourinho pulled the wool over our eyes. They're making management look like hard work past their prime.
I'm really surprised at how well Arsenal are doing. They're making us and our succession plan/repeated managerial cock ups look terrible. But it's early days. They'll have some rough runs I reckon.
Didn't know that. Good decision. But they haven't signed that well. I mean we could have easily gotten the two strikers they did. I'm more impressed by how much they're getting out of what they have thus far.
Not sure about that. Arsenal doing better than under Wenger, yes. Arsenal doing better than now? Difficult to say. We would still be shit, but thats because i think some of our players are massive cnuts and letting the manager down big time.
Glad that Arsenal are doing well, because some of our fanbase believed there was some kind of curse and we had to be shit after Fergie. That still doesnt explain what Jose is doing with the team. Arsenal have a weaker squad overall, look only at their defence yesterday, consisting of Bellerin, Mustafi, Holding and Lichtsteiner, with Leno in goal. If we had these players, we wouldnt hear the end of it that we need to upgrade every position.
Leno has been very good and Bellerin is back in form. I think a change in tactics has helped Bellerin in particular. Bellerin mentioned that he has more confidence making runs now as he knows that he will be covered, so it seems that the players are buying in to the game plan/style.
Even Mustafi went on only one crazy position-vacating run yesterday. I don't remember him slipping over too!
These complaints have nothing to do with Arsenal. Its just that I see other clubs consistently making the right choices in football's perspective and I feel our board is partially responsible for Utd falling behind.
I dont know about anyone else but for me bar Leicester city that was the worst team to win a premier league title that i can remember.We did not win it because we were good,we won it because everyone else was bad.
I think the term is "won it by default".
I even remember pundits and fans questioning it if it was a great team weeks leading up to and after our title win.
Van persie papered over a lot of cracks.
Only two points off the top to be fair, they will fancy their chances. It’s probably come too soon though - give Emery financial backing and another summer window and they could really do it next season. I think they have Liverpool at home next weekend so that will tell us more.
It will be interesting come February if they’re in a similar position to see if they prioritize the UEL over the league or how they balance it. Emery’s won it a few times and will fancy his chances again.
I still don't like Mustafi or our defence in general. We give up far too many chances at the back and if we do finish in the top 4 this season, then its the first area I want to be addressed in the summer.
Mustafi isn't good enough to be the starting CB for a title winning team and that is our ambition.
Absolute nonsense. You think if we hired Pep or Emery we'd be hoofing to Lukaku, begging Fellaini to stay and bringing him once we need goals, still have no clue on how to pass out from the back after three seasons?
Lads, structure has nothing to do with our inability to pass out from the back, play attacking football, have the likes of Derby playing better football than us etc after 3 bloody seasons, that's all on the ineptness of the manager. Seems people in their bid to deflect the blame from the manager will blame pretty much everything else. 'Structure' doesn't make you play good football on the pitch,the manager does
In Wengers last season Arsenal fans were almost willing to bin the whole squad. Bellerin, Xhaka, Mustafi, Iwobi etc where all regarded as average players that needed to be upgraded. There was talk of Arsenal needing years to recover from how stagnated the club had gotten under Wenger. All of a sudden they now have a better 'structure' than us after 6 months. It's bullshit, just more excuses for the Jose cult. Now Liverpool and their transfer commitee with all the bungled scattergun signings under Brenda and Klopp, Spurs with their inability to buy any big players in years and having no home stadium, Arsenal who were a right mess a year ago, all have better 'structures' than us which is why poor Jose has us sitting at 18th in his third season despite spending more than them all, absolute horseshit
Ermm... we've hired Moyes, lvg, and mourinho and they still cant consistently pass from behind. Granted moyes is a turd, but it starting to look that the problem isnt confined to the manager alone.
Jose / lvg manages a lot of club, most of the times it doesnt took them more than 1 or 2 season max to play their system to the tee, are they outdated? Do they suddenly become shit the moment they coached us?
Certainly in Mourinho's case (less so the other two) you have to ask why he's been a success literally everywhere else he's been but here
All very well people wanting a change in manager but there's bigger problems than just him namely those who will hire his successor
but yeah this is Emery's thread and I'm not sure why people are talking about Mourinho in here
Yes, or they've become shit(both in LVG's case) . It happens. Unless you feel if we hired Pep or Klopp, bought Maldini, Nesta, Lucio etc some invisible force at Manchester United will stop them from being able to pass out from the back. Or you think we'll start passing out from the back suddenly if we hired Levy or something?
Honestly someone explain to me how club ownership affects a football clubs ability to pass out from the back?
Well if the players aren't capable of doing so and the club refuses to buy those that are...
It happens off course, they probably took a dive, but in our case they suddenly becomes shit overnight (over a season is overnight in managerial timeline).
I bet my bottom dollar if Mourinho swap club tomorrow they'll be up and running just like any other club. Mourinho and lvg isn't a one club manager, they're a quick fix manager that most of the time doesnt need alot of time to start up.
I think we underestimate the phylosophy switch from saf ways. Granted purchases has been made, but the dna and some mainstay players are still influenced alot by saf ways. And unless we find another saf style manager (which we wont) then any manager that comes would probably has the same problem.
You mean like buying $400m worth of players?
And I too can say I can bet my bottom dollar if we hired Pep or Klopp and given them the financial support we've given Jose we won't currently be sitting at 10th in the table playing shit football and would probably have won a major title or two
We've bought 400m worth of ball playing CB's?
We approached both Pep and Klopp and both turned us down
We need $400m worth of CB's to pass out from the back
? Or if only we had world class defenders like Matip, Mustafi, Lovren etcIt's hilarious to read all these new excuses from the cultists. 10 months ago we signed Arsenal's best player...
It would be interesting to see how Sanchez would have worked under Emery in place of Mkhitaryan.
I didn't say we needed 400m worth of CB's no, you said that's what we'd spent (which if you're referring to outlays to the likes of Pogba and Lukaku is irrelevant given they're not CB's)We need $400m worth of CB's to pass out from the back
Oh and Matip and Lovren? Barely played this season. It's only the 75m CB VVD that really plays it out of the back with any quality at Liverpool.
Definitely not getting carried away by how well we're playing at the moment, the target for this season was the same at the start of Emery's Reign, Top 4 and a Cup run would be great season, I'm certain no arsenal fan at this moment in time are deluded enough to think we're genuine contenders.
Heck if you'd of said we'd go 10 unbeaten after first 2 games i'd of laughed at you. We'll keep just plodding along under the radar, and rightly so we haven't played a top team during this run, but another argument could be made, if these teams are so "Average", Why hasn't Saint Pep or Super Klopp won 10 on the spin.
Heck if you'd of said we'd go 10 unbeaten after first 2 games i'd of laughed at you. We'll keep just plodding along under the radar, and rightly so we haven't played a top team during this run, but another argument could be made, if these teams are so "Average", Why hasn't Saint Pep or Super Klopp won 10 on the spin.
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Yep, we hired Moyes because Pep turned us down, not because SAF had already handpicked Moyes. Not to mention hebwas already on his way to City while at Bayern. We went for Klopp when he was not done with Dortmund. Wait, are you now trying to tell me they both turned us down because of this terrible 'structure' of ours while Jose being the martyr that he is was the only one willing to take up daunting and thankless job?
Well Liverpool were passing out from the back since two seasons ago with even Klavan and Moreno playing. This is a very stupid argument and I'm done. Liverpool and Arsenal have had worse defenders than us passing out from the back routinely. Hell fecking Derby are playing out from the back just fine. No one else on the planet apparently needs to spend a billion dollars on world class defenders just to get them to play football except Jose of course. Plus you make it sound like it's just our defence that's the issue, we're equally as shit in midfield and especially in attack. What's the story for those? The board? Shit players? Not enough money spent? What the feck has the man actually got right?