Modern Draft Semifinals: Moby Vs. Enigma/TRV

[Swarm]

Hey lads, quick intro since this is my first post in this subforum. I have actually followed drafts on and off for a couple of years now but only noticed yesterday, that there is a new system in place that actually lets new users post a limited amount of messages per day. That actually suits me just fine since I usually do not write a lot of messages

Anyways, being a german and a Dortmund supporter I have enjoyed following this draft a lot since some of my favorite players of recent years of the Dortmund squad are or were actually represented. In the past I must admit I have mainly read through the draft threads since the choices intrigued me more than the eventual games. In this case I actually read most of the match threads as well (secretely rooting for some Dortmund players to make it through).

So this match is the first one I am following that I would actually be able to vote in. I have read some of the discussions concerning a differentiation between the 'hard core of drafters' and the scan voters. I would strongly consider myself to be of the latter kind and was kind of wondering if you could give me a quick opinion of what kind of commitment to detail you guys would expect out of someone voting here. Of course I know I could just cast my vote and be done with it but I don't want to influence or in the worst case decide this rather close game when I am not sure I can make an educated decision.

As for my impressions of the matchup (please note that I have not read all of the arguments made by the managers, so please forgive me if I state something wrong that has been clarified before): I think the first thing that jumped out at me is Moby's offensive line that is just awesome. I feel like that front three would give any defense a hard time. On the other hand I am not sure about the midfield, I feel like di Maria is another very offensive player and with only Saul and Verratti being a bit more defensively minded they could run into some problems. In my opinion Kroos and Kanté should be able to somewhat dominate possession in midfield. In defense I think it is quite balanced. Of course I am a bit biased concerning Hummels but when the question about his pace in comparison to Mbappé pas raised I thought that he would usually try to intercept the pass beforer there is even the event of a running duel. That has pretty much always been his strong suit, anticipation of the game and preventing dangerous situations before they can happen. Gimenez as Hummels Subotic replacement in this setup could work out quite well but I also understand the criticism, that Gimenez himself has mostly played with Godin at his side, so maybe he is not used to that kind of partner. Concerning fullbacks I think I would give this to team Enigma.

Overall I think the teams are pretty close. On first inspection I was rooting for Enigma's team since I am a Dortmund muppet but thought Moby's team looked stronger especially offensively. Looking more closely I think Enigma might be set up a little better in terms of balance. Tough call.

Summing up, please let me know what you think, I always feel a bit out of my depth reading the stuff you guys write because I feel my knowledge of players outside of Bundesliga and from earlier footballing eras is quite limited. Cheers!

 

[BIG DUNK]

I rate Lewandowski lower than Van Dijk

How?

Put their 4 best seasons next to each other...
Look at their status within their own position...
Look at their performances in their domestic league, Champions League...

 

[MJJ]

Hey lads, quick intro since this is my first post in this subforum. I have actually followed drafts on and off for a couple of years now but only noticed yesterday, that there is a new system in place that actually lets new users post a limited amount of messages per day. That actually suits me just fine since I usually do not write a lot of messages

Anyways, being a german and a Dortmund supporter I have enjoyed following this draft a lot since some of my favorite players of recent years of the Dortmund squad are or were actually represented. In the past I must admit I have mainly read through the draft threads since the choices intrigued me more than the eventual games. In this case I actually read most of the match threads as well (secretely rooting for some Dortmund players to make it through).

So this match is the first one I am following that I would actually be able to vote in. I have read some of the discussions concerning a differentiation between the 'hard core of drafters' and the scan voters. I would strongly consider myself to be of the latter kind and was kind of wondering if you could give me a quick opinion of what kind of commitment to detail you guys would expect out of someone voting here. Of course I know I could just cast my vote and be done with it but I don't want to influence or in the worst case decide this rather close game when I am not sure I can make an educated decision.

As for my impressions of the matchup (please note that I have not read all of the arguments made by the managers, so please forgive me if I state something wrong that has been clarified before): I think the first thing that jumped out at me is Moby's offensive line that is just awesome. I feel like that front three would give any defense a hard time. On the other hand I am not sure about the midfield, I feel like di Maria is another very offensive player and with only Saul and Verratti being a bit more defensively minded they could run into some problems. In my opinion Kroos and Kanté should be able to somewhat dominate possession in midfield. In defense I think it is quite balanced. Of course I am a bit biased concerning Hummels but when the question about his pace in comparison to Mbappé pas raised I thought that he would usually try to intercept the pass beforer there is even the event of a running duel. That has pretty much always been his strong suit, anticipation of the game and preventing dangerous situations before they can happen. Gimenez as Hummels Subotic replacement in this setup could work out quite well but I also understand the criticism, that Gimenez himself has mostly played with Godin at his side, so maybe he is not used to that kind of partner. Concerning fullbacks I think I would give this to team Enigma.

Overall I think the teams are pretty close. On first inspection I was rooting for Enigma's team since I am a Dortmund muppet but thought Moby's team looked stronger especially offensively. Looking more closely I think Enigma might be set up a little better in terms of balance. Tough call.

Summing up, please let me know what you think, I always feel a bit out of my depth reading the stuff you guys write because I feel my knowledge of players outside of Bundesliga and from earlier footballing eras is quite limited. Cheers!

I would say you have put a fair amount of thought into the game so feel free to vote. We never restrict people from voting or push them away.

 

[Enigma_87]

Hey lads, quick intro since this is my first post in this subforum. I have actually followed drafts on and off for a couple of years now but only noticed yesterday, that there is a new system in place that actually lets new users post a limited amount of messages per day. That actually suits me just fine since I usually do not write a lot of messages

Anyways, being a german and a Dortmund supporter I have enjoyed following this draft a lot since some of my favorite players of recent years of the Dortmund squad are or were actually represented. In the past I must admit I have mainly read through the draft threads since the choices intrigued me more than the eventual games. In this case I actually read most of the match threads as well (secretely rooting for some Dortmund players to make it through).

So this match is the first one I am following that I would actually be able to vote in. I have read some of the discussions concerning a differentiation between the 'hard core of drafters' and the scan voters. I would strongly consider myself to be of the latter kind and was kind of wondering if you could give me a quick opinion of what kind of commitment to detail you guys would expect out of someone voting here. Of course I know I could just cast my vote and be done with it but I don't want to influence or in the worst case decide this rather close game when I am not sure I can make an educated decision.

As for my impressions of the matchup (please note that I have not read all of the arguments made by the managers, so please forgive me if I state something wrong that has been clarified before): I think the first thing that jumped out at me is Moby's offensive line that is just awesome. I feel like that front three would give any defense a hard time. On the other hand I am not sure about the midfield, I feel like di Maria is another very offensive player and with only Saul and Verratti being a bit more defensively minded they could run into some problems. In my opinion Kroos and Kanté should be able to somewhat dominate possession in midfield. In defense I think it is quite balanced. Of course I am a bit biased concerning Hummels but when the question about his pace in comparison to Mbappé pas raised I thought that he would usually try to intercept the pass beforer there is even the event of a running duel. That has pretty much always been his strong suit, anticipation of the game and preventing dangerous situations before they can happen. Gimenez as Hummels Subotic replacement in this setup could work out quite well but I also understand the criticism, that Gimenez himself has mostly played with Godin at his side, so maybe he is not used to that kind of partner. Concerning fullbacks I think I would give this to team Enigma.

Overall I think the teams are pretty close. On first inspection I was rooting for Enigma's team since I am a Dortmund muppet but thought Moby's team looked stronger especially offensively. Looking more closely I think Enigma might be set up a little better in terms of balance. Tough call.

Summing up, please let me know what you think, I always feel a bit out of my depth reading the stuff you guys write because I feel my knowledge of players outside of Bundesliga and from earlier footballing eras is quite limited. Cheers!

Always glad to see new interest in drafts and new faces. Welcome mate! Hope you persist with your interest in drafts and soon participate full time in the coming ones.

In terms of matchup you have described our main strengths and indeed we control the flanks, as well we have the better midfield and as you mentioned the more balanced one. Moby opted for Saul as a DM but neither him nor Verratti are suited for that role and along with his not that good full backs we have more quality all over the pitch to take this one IMO.

As for Lewa it's unreal how his stock have fallen so low. Not long ago he was mentioned as the best CF in the world (in the same breath as Suarez). He's the perfect CF to cap off our enormous creative force behind him led by Hazard.

On a side note our attack IMO doesn't lack anything and has plenty of oomph!

 

[Jim Beam]

Hey lads, quick intro since this is my first post in this subforum...

Hi Tuppet

 

[MJJ]

Hi Tuppet

 

[The Red Viper]

Tough one to separate. I edged to Moby based on the overall compactness he'd achieve through the Atletico style midfield unit (Atletico always being great at defending against strong flanks despite being narrow themselves), the ability of the front four to hit on the break, and the pace of Varane and Van Dijk to squeeze the game. It's a brutal team to play against.

But, its not really an Atletico style midfield though.

One of the reasons why Atletico were such a pain in the ass team to penetrate against was because of them having Gabi who sat in front of the defense. Moby has Verratti there. A completely different player to Gabi and nowhere near the same amount of discipline, defensive ability or tactical nous.

Hey lads, quick intro since this is my first post in this subforum. I have actually followed drafts on and off for a couple of years now but only noticed yesterday, that there is a new system in place that actually lets new users post a limited amount of messages per day. That actually suits me just fine since I usually do not write a lot of messages

Anyways, being a german and a Dortmund supporter I have enjoyed following this draft a lot since some of my favorite players of recent years of the Dortmund squad are or were actually represented. In the past I must admit I have mainly read through the draft threads since the choices intrigued me more than the eventual games. In this case I actually read most of the match threads as well (secretely rooting for some Dortmund players to make it through).

So this match is the first one I am following that I would actually be able to vote in. I have read some of the discussions concerning a differentiation between the 'hard core of drafters' and the scan voters. I would strongly consider myself to be of the latter kind and was kind of wondering if you could give me a quick opinion of what kind of commitment to detail you guys would expect out of someone voting here. Of course I know I could just cast my vote and be done with it but I don't want to influence or in the worst case decide this rather close game when I am not sure I can make an educated decision.

As for my impressions of the matchup (please note that I have not read all of the arguments made by the managers, so please forgive me if I state something wrong that has been clarified before): I think the first thing that jumped out at me is Moby's offensive line that is just awesome. I feel like that front three would give any defense a hard time. On the other hand I am not sure about the midfield, I feel like di Maria is another very offensive player and with only Saul and Verratti being a bit more defensively minded they could run into some problems. In my opinion Kroos and Kanté should be able to somewhat dominate possession in midfield. In defense I think it is quite balanced. Of course I am a bit biased concerning Hummels but when the question about his pace in comparison to Mbappé pas raised I thought that he would usually try to intercept the pass beforer there is even the event of a running duel. That has pretty much always been his strong suit, anticipation of the game and preventing dangerous situations before they can happen. Gimenez as Hummels Subotic replacement in this setup could work out quite well but I also understand the criticism, that Gimenez himself has mostly played with Godin at his side, so maybe he is not used to that kind of partner. Concerning fullbacks I think I would give this to team Enigma.

Overall I think the teams are pretty close. On first inspection I was rooting for Enigma's team since I am a Dortmund muppet but thought Moby's team looked stronger especially offensively. Looking more closely I think Enigma might be set up a little better in terms of balance. Tough call.

Summing up, please let me know what you think, I always feel a bit out of my depth reading the stuff you guys write because I feel my knowledge of players outside of Bundesliga and from earlier footballing eras is quite limited. Cheers!

Hello mate. Welcome to the forum.

I would agree with you in terms of Moby having a better attack than us, even though I don't think ours is far off.

However, we have a much superior advantage in midfield and its not even close imo. All three midfielders are better than their counter-parts. Not just in terms of quality but also in terms of balance of the midfield, which is perfect.

As for defense, I would say we have a better defense. We have got much superior fullbacks in Carvajal and Alex Sandro compared to Zabaleta and Asamoah from Moby's team.

Overall imo, we would win this because not only do we have more quality but also have got a much more balanced side.

Hi Tuppet

Return of The King!

 

[harms]

So this match is the first one I am following that I would actually be able to vote in. I have read some of the discussions concerning a differentiation between the 'hard core of drafters' and the scan voters. I would strongly consider myself to be of the latter kind and was kind of wondering if you could give me a quick opinion of what kind of commitment to detail you guys would expect out of someone voting here. Of course I know I could just cast my vote and be done with it but I don't want to influence or in the worst case decide this rather close game when I am not sure I can make an educated decision.

We desperately need new names and votes, especially since we've been separated from the main football forum, so feel free to vote when you feel like it. Any participation in discussions is welcome as well.

Regarding your knowledge — all it takes is your interest, really. We're all learning new things every draft, I know that I've became much, much more educated about the football of the past that I was before I joined in.

 

[Gio]

But, its not really an Atletico style midfield though.

One of the reasons why Atletico were such a pain in the ass team to penetrate against was because of them having Gabi who sat in front of the defense. Moby has Verratti there. A completely different player to Gabi and nowhere near the same amount of discipline, defensive ability or tactical nous.

True that Gabi was an important part of the midfield but the main reason Atletico were so difficult to play against was their back four and how well the midfield and attack together protected that back four. I wouldn't single out a specific player in that midfield, they've had different personnel over the last few years interchanging and still performing well. Tactically, they've been fairly consistent and the four-man tilted diamond/square unit combined with lots of work rate has been really effective in shutting down the opposition. Frankly I don't see the need for a dedicated pure DM in the middle when you have three all-rounders. And arguably you've got a greater off-the-ball concern in the heart of your own midfield given how passive Kroos and James can be, which leaves a lot on the shoulders of Kante.

 

[Swarm]

Hello mate. Welcome to the forum.

Cheers!

We desperately need new names and votes, especially since we've been separated from the main football forum, so feel free to vote when you feel like it. Any participation in discussions is welcome as well.

Regarding your knowledge — all it takes is your interest, really. We're all learning new things every draft, I know that I've became much, much more educated about the football of the past that I was before I joined in.

That is nice to hear. I read that some of you are/were worried the new subforum would lead to less attention and that might indeed be the case. I was actually really happy to see that I am now able to write a couple of messages since that is usually all I would do anyways and I did not really have the persistence or did not want to spend the time to work my way out of the newbie forum when I first registered two and a half years ago (just noticed it's been that long). I just sometimes felt the urge to add my opinion here and there and was a bit sad that I couldn't.

I think in just skimming the drafts I have already heard a lot about players and how they are rated in the caf. Maybe I overestimate the lot of you but at least collectively it seems there is a crapload of knowledge wandering these halls. So generally I am really interested to learn more about football of the past and players in leagues I am not following as closely. I am just not sure how much time I will have to do just that but lets see

Always glad to see new interest in drafts and new faces. Welcome mate! Hope you persist with your interest in drafts and soon participate full time in the coming ones.

Thanks, that is nice to hear. I think my interest does vary a bit by format since I always find it hard to compare the greats from the past with players that actually have left a mark in my living memory. I think I tend to rate players I have seen play the game higher than those that I mostly know from write-ups. Also I have found myself get a bit tired of the kind of draft that ends up with the same old GOAT's so I personally prefer seeing people pushed into very narrow spaces and seeing how they deal with that and what kind of player people see a few tiers lower.

As for my own participation, on the one hand I feel like for a lot of formats my knowledge is strictly limited and would require quite substantial reading up on players in order to be competitive. On the other I do believe it would be quite time consuming so I am not sure how good that would be for me considering I should be working right now But generally that would be interesting I think, maybe I could AM at some point to see how people actually go about these things. But let's just see how much I will be around anyways and take it from there.

Generally I am really happy about the warm welcome from you lot, cheers.


Now concerning the game, I think I like both teams and will just blatantly decide by personal preferences so Enigma takes it over Moby if only by a hair.

Hi Tuppet

I was thinking if I should give a *Not Tuppet* disclaimer. I thought you might be less suspicious because I claim to be german, not indian

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

Not really a fan of Alexis on right. I think he'd drift inside and not really an optimal attack. Like your midfield, but Moby has strength in numbers there. Veratti is not a Kante type midfielder but still I think his defensive ability is underrated. Esp after the tactical change you can see Vertatti dictating from middle and Saul/Di Maria carrying the ball forward. All 3 have good workrate and so collectively, I don't think that midfield is as defensively vulnerable as you think it is. Also with Rooney upfront there will always be a nice lik between midfield to his attack, esp with Griezmann occupying your DMs. Excepting Sanchez, your team is well built and Sandro-Kroos-Hazard will be deadly and is likely to score. But I think Moby will shade this by a goal, possibly 3-2 in his favor.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

I was thinking if I should give a *Not Tuppet* disclaimer. I thought you might be less suspicious because I claim to be german, not indian

For a newbie with 9 posts, you really have detailed knowledge of Tuppetgate.

 

[The Red Viper]

Good Game, @Moby. Hard Luck.

 

[green_smiley]

For a newbie with 9 posts, you really have detailed knowledge of Tuppetgate.

We caught a Tuppet there la

 

[Enigma_87]

Hard luck, @Moby . You have done a great job selling your team. Felt we got on a bit of a heated argument at the end and hope no hard feelings!

The most intense debate in draft games for me so far I think. 103 posts in a single thread, fecking hell...

 

[Moby]

Delete this thread.

 

[Jim Beam]

As for my own participation, on the one hand I feel like for a lot of formats my knowledge is strictly limited and would require quite substantial reading up on players in order to be competitive. On the other I do believe it would be quite time consuming so I am not sure how good that would be for me considering I should be working right now But generally that would be interesting I think, maybe I could AM at some point to see how people actually go about these things. But let's just see how much I will be around anyways and take it from there.

If you like reading through match threads you should try. Drafting is the most enjoyable part by far (someone with my record will obviously say that) but took more pleasure from building a team or getting some particular player, than winning a game myself.
As for the knowledge in no time, you'll find yourself sitting with beer packs and watching Real - Barcelona footage from 1983 wondering can you sell Schuster as a left-sided midfielder (you can't).... Anyway, give it a try.

Ah yes, not thinking and debating about current United so much is a massive bonus as well, but that feature doesn't apply with you.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Hard luck, @Moby . You have done a great job selling your team. Felt we got on a bit of a heated argument at the end and hope no hard feelings!

The most intense debate in draft games for me so far I think. 103 posts in a single thread, fecking hell...

Delete this thread.

208 posts in this thread between you both you fecking mentalists . Did you bother with working/sleeping/eating/shitting yesterday at all? You could lock me in a room with nothing but my laptop and a big bag of amphetamines and I'd still struggle to keep up.

Enigma, forgot to respond to the tag yesterday and it's hardly worth getting into now, but I was happy enough with both of Moby's midfield configurations. I rate Verratti highly, possibly too highly, and I think there was enough graft and defensive nous between him and Saul, together with the additional workrate from Di Maria and Rooney.

 

[Jim Beam]

Did you bother with working/sleeping/eating/shitting yesterday at all? You could lock me in a room with nothing but my laptop and a big bag of amphetamines and I'd still struggle to keep up.

 

[Ecstatic]

Well you just abandoned your whole case since the beginning of the game.

I really like to hear what @Pat_Mustard @Edgar Allan Pillow @Ecstatic @Indnyc think about that and the game overall?

Think only Indy commented so far on it.

looked like an epic game.

Will comment it once at home.

 

[GodShaveTheQueen]

In a real world game, you'd see a 4-2-3-1 almost always likely to suffer in a midfield battle like this, especially in the big European games.
Players like James/Ozil would be seen a liability and often be shunted to the wings. Surprised with the result.

 

[Enigma_87]

Cheers!

Thanks, that is nice to hear. I think my interest does vary a bit by format since I always find it hard to compare the greats from the past with players that actually have left a mark in my living memory. I think I tend to rate players I have seen play the game higher than those that I mostly know from write-ups. Also I have found myself get a bit tired of the kind of draft that ends up with the same old GOAT's so I personally prefer seeing people pushed into very narrow spaces and seeing how they deal with that and what kind of player people see a few tiers lower.

As for my own participation, on the one hand I feel like for a lot of formats my knowledge is strictly limited and would require quite substantial reading up on players in order to be competitive. On the other I do believe it would be quite time consuming so I am not sure how good that would be for me considering I should be working right now But generally that would be interesting I think, maybe I could AM at some point to see how people actually go about these things. But let's just see how much I will be around anyways and take it from there.

Generally I am really happy about the warm welcome from you lot, cheers.


Now concerning the game, I think I like both teams and will just blatantly decide by personal preferences so Enigma takes it over Moby if only by a hair.



I was thinking if I should give a *Not Tuppet* disclaimer. I thought you might be less suspicious because I claim to be german, not indian

You only need to get a more experienced drafter as a AM and you'll get the hang of it pretty quickly mate. It's a learning curve and at the end you'll end up with a lot more knowledge in the past eras.

There are some more intensive drafts in terms of research but overall I think you wouldn't need more than half an hour or something per day to make picks.

The match day debates are sometimes tiresome but I guess part of the whole experience.

Thanks for your comments and votes, don't hesitate to participate more in future games/drafts

 

[Enigma_87]

208 posts in this thread between you both you fecking mentalists . Did you bother with working/sleeping/eating/shitting yesterday at all? You could lock me in a room with nothing but my laptop and a big bag of amphetamines and I'd still struggle to keep up.

Enigma, forgot to respond to the tag yesterday and it's hardly worth getting into now, but I was happy enough with both of Moby's midfield configurations. I rate Verratti highly, possibly too highly, and I think there was enough graft and defensive nous between him and Saul, together with the additional workrate from Di Maria and Rooney.

Looking at it never have had 100+ posts in a single thread, let alone in a match thread. Not particularly proud of it mind.

Nah, all feedback is welcome mate. I usually tag some posters so we can get a debate going rather than the online chat we got into with Moby last night.

I bet you guys had fun reading though those 7 fecking pages as neutrals.

 

[Skizzo]

Looking at it never have had 100+ posts in a single thread, let alone in a match thread. Not particularly proud of it mind.

Nah, all feedback is welcome mate. I usually tag some posters so we can get a debate going rather than the online chat we got into with Moby last night.

I bet you guys had fun reading though those 7 fecking pages as neutrals.

I started reading the debates, and then just skimmed. Really turned me off once it started moving beyond an actual match discussion and the handbags came out. But that’s just me

Not to say I haven’t gotten into heated debates myself, mind

 

[Indnyc]

In a real world game, you'd see a 4-2-3-1 almost always likely to suffer in a midfield battle like this, especially in the big European games.
Players like James/Ozil would be seen a liability and often be shunted to the wings. Surprised with the result.

It’s not really surprising to be honest.. Both teams had strengths and weaknesses.. In reality big games like these are decided either by a mistake or a moment of magic rather than one team overrunning the other

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

How?

Because Lewandowski has been very poor in the biggest games of his career in the CL and WC (only exception being that one year for Dortmund)
I don't really rate his performances for Bayern in Bundesliga either, he is a bit of a flat track bully. I definitely can't see him making a difference in a tournament semi-final like this match.

 

[Pat_Mustard]

Looking at it never have had 100+ posts in a single thread, let alone in a match thread. Not particularly proud of it mind.

Nah, all feedback is welcome mate. I usually tag some posters so we can get a debate going rather than the online chat we got into with Moby last night.

I bet you guys had fun reading though those 7 fecking pages as neutrals.

I skimmed through some of the more repetitive stuff but I did enjoy it after some of the really barren match threads lately.

 

[Himannv]

Looking at it never have had 100+ posts in a single thread, let alone in a match thread. Not particularly proud of it mind.

Nah, all feedback is welcome mate. I usually tag some posters so we can get a debate going rather than the online chat we got into with Moby last night.

I bet you guys had fun reading though those 7 fecking pages as neutrals.

Personally I feel match threads are probably the worst part of drafting and this one seemed to go on for ages. I started reading and then gave up on it.

 

[Enigma_87]

Personally I feel match threads are probably the worst part of drafting and this one seemed to go on for ages. I started reading and then gave up on it.

It’s a hassle alright sometimes. The best bit is building the team and the ability to reinforce it. Apart from that purpose there’s little fun in the actual games whatsoever.

 

[Enigma_87]

I skimmed through some of the more repetitive stuff but I did enjoy it after some of the really barren match threads lately.

We've probably had more replies here than in all games altogether. Says a lot

 

[Indnyc]

Because Lewandowski has been very poor in the biggest games of his career in the CL and WC (only exception being that one year for Dortmund)
I don't really rate his performances for Bayern in Bundesliga either, he is a bit of a flat track bully. I definitely can't see him making a difference in a tournament semi-final like this match.

I think his record is phenomenal for Bayern in Europe and Poland for Euro 2016 and World Cup 2018 qualification. Unquestionably, he is a player who will score if you give him a chance. I don't think he would look completely out of place in the first round of an all time draft as well

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

I think his record is phenomenal for Bayern in Europe and Poland for Euro 2016 and World Cup 2018 qualification. Unquestionably, he is a player who will score if you give him a chance. I don't think he would look completely out of place in the first round of an all time draft as well

Sheer crazy talk IMO
I doubt he would make my Top 50 all time CFs. And qualification is exactly what I mean by flat track bully. Sure he'll put a few past Georgia or Gibraltar but at the WC this summer he was trash. As the quality of opposition goes up he goes disappearing.

 

[Indnyc]

Sheer crazy talk IMO
I doubt he would make my Top 50 all time CFs. And qualification is exactly what I mean by flat track bully. Sure he'll put a few past Georgia or Gibraltar but at the WC this summer he was trash. As the quality of opposition goes up he goes disappearing.

But also have a look at his team for the World Cup. Poland is hardly a super power

Out of interest, would you not rate him as one of the best CFs of the current generation?

 

[oneniltothearsenal]

But also have a look at his team for the World Cup. Poland is hardly a super power

Out of interest, would you not rate him as one of the best CFs of the current generation?

Tricky question but probably not. I'd have Zlatan, Suarez as the top two talented 2010s CF. I'd have Benzema and Cavani before him for All-Time tactics. Van Persie had a higher but shorter peak but for most drafts I'd rather than RvP. Aguero has similar problems for me with his poor NT performances but I rate what Aguero did in the PL more than Lewa in the BL. I think Kane's career will be better in the end. More controversially I'd probably take Higuian above him as well.

 

[Enigma_87]

Tricky question but probably not. I'd have Zlatan, Suarez as the top two talented 2010s CF. I'd have Benzema and Cavani before him for All-Time tactics. Van Persie had a higher but shorter peak but for most drafts I'd rather than RvP. Aguero has similar problems for me with his poor NT performances but I rate what Aguero did in the PL more than Lewa in the BL. I think Kane's career will be better in the end. More controversially I'd probably take Higuian above him as well.

Think you are really underrating him mate. Having Cavani and Benzema above him is a bit of a joke. Cavani played in lesser leagues (Italy at the time and France), whilst Benzema was never as prolific as Lewa. Both are very versatile but as a CF both have been genuine chokers in big games, something you use as a stick to beat Lewa with. I can understand having preferences with Zlatan(though as a CF i'd probably have Lewa), Suarez and Aguero, but the rest you mentioned - you are really overrating them.

To me as pure CF the best of its generation has definitely been Suarez.

Then comes the tier below where Lewa, Aguero and Zlatan would lead the pack and then the Diego Costa's, RvP, Dzeko, etc. Unfortunately for RvP injuries have took a great toll on him and he had around 2 seasons at the very highest level, unlike Lewandowski who is in his 8th year straight of being one of the most prolific strikers in Europe.

 

[2mufc0]

But what differentiates the good strikers from the very best is performances against the best teams at the highest level, Lewandoski has never demonstrated that. Even Mario Gomez was a prolific scorer in the Bundesliga.

 

[Enigma_87]

But what differentiates the good strikers from the very best is performances against the best teams at the highest level, Lewandoski has never demonstrated that. Even Mario Gomez was a prolific scorer in the Bundesliga.

Lewa has 17 goals in elimination stages in CL mate.

Out of all players in history in the CL or European cup who scored more than 30 goals in the competition, only Eusebio, Ruud, Cristiano, Messi, Muller, Di Stefano and Puskas have a better strike rate than him.

 

[2mufc0]

Lewa has 17 goals in elimination stages in CL mate.

Out of all players in history in the CL or European cup who scored more than 30 goals in the competition, only Eusebio, Ruud, Cristiano, Messi, Muller, Di Stefano and Puskas have a better strike rate than him.

Moby pulled out statistics that Saul is better than Kante. Its also a bit strange I can't even remember most of those goals, didn't 5 come in 1 game? Would be interested to see a break down of those 17 goals.

 

[Enigma_87]

Moby pulled out statistics that Saul is better than Kante. Its also a bit strange I can't even remember most of those goals, didn't 5 come in 1 game? Would be interested to see a break down of those 17 goals.

Think they are actually 19(in 30 odd games), missed the Besiktas brace.

https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/rob...iga/0/wettbewerb/CL/pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1

^^ here they are.

He has scored against every top team he played - Barca, Real, Atletico, Juve, Arsenal, etc..

For example the other ones mentioned above - Aguero has 5, Cavani has 6, Ibra has 9, Benzema around 15 I think (but played around 15 games more), etc..

You can only probably make a case of last year being underwhelming. The years before he was pretty consistent scoring against all teams in the latter parts of the competition.

16/17 - scored a goal in each game he played in the elimination stage (Arsenal, Real)
15/16 - scored and assisted against Juve, scored against Atletico (missed the return game against Benfica - played 6 mins or something)
14/15 - scored against Porto (2), Barca and Shakhtar.
13/14 - decided the first game against Zenith with a brace, was suspended for the first game against Real when the tie was probably over.
12/13 - scored 4 against Real putting them aside in the SF's. Scored in the other 2 games on the road to the final against Malaga and Shakhtar.

even Suarez has a lesser goal ratio in later stages - 10 goals in 19 games(but then again he's the better striker all things considered).

From his generation I think only Cristiano and Messi would put up better numbers.

Also it's important to mention that even with that great cast fading - Ribery/Robben - and also being injured in many games, his strike rate never faltered.

 

[Gio]

208 posts in this thread between you both you fecking mentalists . Did you bother with working/sleeping/eating/shitting yesterday at all? You could lock me in a room with nothing but my laptop and a big bag of amphetamines and I'd still struggle to keep up..

Never seen anything like it. Fair play to both for going at it hammer and tongs non-stop for about 16 hours straight. I think I'd have been divorced, ostracised or locked up if I tried to do the same.

Reflecting on it though, might have been a good example of a discussion that would have benefited from some moderating from the draftmaster. We've not got that mechanism in play yet, but similarly we've been quick to crack down on 2v1 (which looks like child's play compared to competing in this match ).