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It really isn’t and he hasn’t shown any improvement since he broke on to the scene for us.

Cleverley was a decent young player and he looked great under SAF, unfortunately he wasn’t a great player, same as Rashford won’t be a great player.

You can quote me on this and come back in 5 years and I will say I told you so.

He will never be good enough for what United are striving towards.

He will be lucky to become half the player Lukaku is and he gets so much stick.
I can't help but agree with this post.
 

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Can’t he play Rashford as a striker, Martial on left and Mata on right?

It’s just excuses. He doesn’t drop his big lumps. Matic and Lukaku will play every game where possible.

We’ve got a tired, old fashioned, boring manager with his favourite players, doing repeatedly boring things. Sick of him.

What’s that saying? “Making the same mistakes time and time again yet expecting different results”?
You want Mata back on the right again? Really? He's actually been playing well centrally these last couple of games, and you want to move him away from there, to have him use that electric pace of his to match up against Sandro. Think it through.
 

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It really isn’t and he hasn’t shown any improvement since he broke on to the scene for us.

Cleverley was a decent young player and he looked great under SAF, unfortunately he wasn’t a great player, same as Rashford won’t be a great player.

You can quote me on this and come back in 5 years and I will say I told you so.

He will never be good enough for what United are striving towards.

He will be lucky to become half the player Lukaku is and he gets so much stick.
How many young players did Jose improve in the last 10 years? You have to ask yourself.
 

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Then try a different formation?

Try 442, or 4411 or 4321.

"This" isn't working (mainly Jose's tactics to blame though some players too) so try something else! Fecking anything other than a shite, defensive 433 that doesn't even get the best of the players we have.

If we're saying Manchester United is stuck in one formation, with no options, then we're really in deep shit.
You don't change your entire approach from the season, particularly against the favourites for the champions league, because one player is out of form. But while we are on the subject, if we don't have enough players to cover the three attacking and wide players, how are we going to have the players in a 442 or 4411? A "defensive" 433? We've got 3 strikers, an attacking midfielder and Pogba ffs. We aren't going out to play defensive.

Irregardless, I imagine if we did change our set up and we got trampled as a result, you'll be in here giving him pelters for it.

That's the problem we're getting here. The valid points being made about Jose being sacked are drowned out by the barrage of crap being thrown at him for the hell of it.
 

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Doesn't matter, the worst is you can no longer separate the truth when something as delusional as that quote above pops-up.
Yep, pretty much.

Are you that gullible?
It's becoming increasingly hard to discern truth from fiction when it comes to Mourinho's words, hence why I opted to ask first whether that one was true or false.
 

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It really isn’t and he hasn’t shown any improvement since he broke on to the scene for us.

Cleverley was a decent young player and he looked great under SAF, unfortunately he wasn’t a great player, same as Rashford won’t be a great player.

You can quote me on this and come back in 5 years and I will say I told you so.

He will never be good enough for what United are striving towards.

He will be lucky to become half the player Lukaku is and he gets so much stick.
And you can quote me on this: Rashford will turn out to be a very good player for Utd, or whoever.
 

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"We will try to compete with Everton"

"When you see the money they spent...it's not easy to find a creative solution to the game"

"They (Everton) just bought an entire new defence unit, I say again, they have fantastic scouts with the resource and desire to improve the team in this moment"
This is just tiring now.
 

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Jose has been very honest in what's been saying to the press, this has brought me to question why he opted to bring back his 'trusted' players that he worked with in the past i.e. Matic and William.

Have our scouts done a good enough job to provide Jose with players that is good enough for our first team? Our transfer records have been shocking over the last 5 years and this clearly isn't just down to Jose.
 
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So he will continue to start and play 90mins infinitum?
Seems detrimental to keep playing him but we don't really have an alternative, Rashford and Martial don't really set the world alight when they do play there, Sanchez for a few games, maybe? A decent back up striker in January wouldn't go amiss.
 

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Valencia is injured (as is Dalot) so Young has to play right back. As for Herrera on the right...wtf?
Didn’t Herrera play on right v Chelsea?

That’s not the point I am making though. Jose’s excuses for always playing Lukaku are laughable. He simply won’t drop him.
 

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It really isn’t and he hasn’t shown any improvement since he broke on to the scene for us.

Cleverley was a decent young player and he looked great under SAF, unfortunately he wasn’t a great player, same as Rashford won’t be a great player.

You can quote me on this and come back in 5 years and I will say I told you so.

He will never be good enough for what United are striving towards.

He will be lucky to become half the player Lukaku is and he gets so much stick.
It does feel like our fan base assumes nearly every young player with a bit of talent is obviously going to make it here. Nearly always been the case to be fair but I'd say even more so now.
 

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Didn’t Herrera play on right v Chelsea?

That’s not the point I am making though. Jose’s excuses for always playing Lukaku are laughable. He simply won’t drop him.
For about 15 minutes in which he didn't do anything.
 

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Didn’t Herrera play on right v Chelsea?

That’s not the point I am making though. Jose’s excuses for always playing Lukaku are laughable. He simply won’t drop him.
No, Hererra was subbed on late in the game - we played Rashford on the right.

Before you accuse me of being a Mourinho apologist (which is never too far away whenever anyone makes any comment that vindicates the manager's decisions) I don't agree with much of what he does. But your suggestions, for various reasons, are utter tosh.
 

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Honestly his excuse to keep playing is pretty poor. There are options if he really wanted to change it up.

It's not like Lukaku's bad form is new either. We have had enough players before to make the change but he has his excuse now and the press don't call him out on it
 
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You don't change your entire approach from the season, particularly against the favourites for the champions league, because one player is out of form. But while we are on the subject, if we don't have enough players to cover the three attacking and wide players, how are we going to have the players in a 442 or 4411? A "defensive" 433? We've got 3 strikers, an attacking midfielder and Pogba ffs. We aren't going out to play defensive.

Irregardless, I imagine if we did change our set up and we got trampled as a result, you'll be in here giving him pelters for it.

That's the problem we're getting here. The valid points being made about Jose being sacked are drowned out by the barrage of crap being thrown at him for the hell of it.
Chill.

Firstly, we do have options. They may not be great but my point was that what we're doing now clearly isn't working so may as well change and try something else.

Second, I never mentioned Juve.

Third, we ARE going out to be defensive, that's clear to everyone (well almost everyone). That's clear from how we change tactics when results going against us... Newcastle, Chelsea, Juve all showed a clear change in attacking intent from start of game to end. We won one, should have won another ....

Finally, don't just lump people in with others and assume. Read my posts, you'll see I've been reasonably positive until very, very recently on Jose. Even now, I'm not saying he's rubbish and 100% to blame (as some do, say Mick321), I also blame some players (posts are clear).

BUT I also blame Jose for tactics, not playing players in best position/formation and for persisting with Lukaku and Matic regardless of form) and 433 (regardless of results).

I've seen loads of United managers, huge changes in our success (or lack of it, including a relegation). I don't jump on managers instantly, I try and be supportive and balanced so don't dive in and assume from one post.

Do I want Jose to stay? Probably not now as don't see him changing anything. Am I on seventeen threads blaming him for everything? No.... but selecting players who are in awful form is costing us and sends a terrible message to squad players ("doesn't matter what you do, xxxxxxx is going to play").
 

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Ballotelli, Varane, Santon, McTominay, Jese, Loftus Cheek.
You would have been better off saying I don't know than including some of those names. The only one I can give you from that list is Varane that actually was improved by Jose and grown into a relevant player. No young attack player improved under him significantly, that's a simple fact.
 

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:lol: at all the people who want to believe that made up quote is actually something said by Jose

It says a lot about you, it really does.
 

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:lol: at all the people who want to believe that made up quote is actually something said by Jose

It says a lot about you, it really does.
It's in the Press Conference thread in quotes. It's a bit shit to make up quotes without at least putting white text to inform its a joke.
 

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Seems detrimental to keep playing him but we don't really have an alternative, Rashford and Martial don't really set the world alight when they do play there, Sanchez for a few games, maybe? A decent back up striker in January wouldn't go amiss.
I believe that Woodward wants to keep the number of players in the squad the same.
So, for a new player to come in, we need to sell one player.
Ibra left, so Lukaku came in.
Carrick left, so Fred came in.
Miki left, Sanchez came in.
Our 3rd choice GK left, so we got a replacement.
...and so on.

So, if we want to get another striker, we'll need to sell an existing attacker.
Also consider that attackers tend to cost a lot - Woodward won't be keen on spending the money.
 

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He has lots of pace and a great shot on him which makes him look good vs teams that are open.

Against teams that are compact and soak up pressure he is useless. He has nothing in his locker for them games which are the majority of the time against United.

If he wasn’t local or English he wouldn’t be getting this backing from supporters on pundits.

Vastly over rated. He will end up going the same route as Welbeck and Cleverly, over hyped local lad that is vastly over rated. He will end up at Everton or a similar level team in 5 years.
We could do with Welbeck tbh
 

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I believe that Woodward wants to keep the number of players in the squad the same.
So, for a new player to come in, we need to sell one player.
Ibra left, so Lukaku came in.
Carrick left, so Fred came in.
Miki left, Sanchez came in.
Our 3rd choice GK left, so we got a replacement.
...and so on.

So, if we want to get another striker, we'll need to sell an existing attacker.
Also consider that attackers tend to cost a lot - Woodward won't be keen on spending the money.
Of course. We can register only 25 players and rest all should be U21 players. We have registered 24 players this season and next season we have to register Rashford. So yeah we have to sell before adding more players.
 

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It really isn’t and he hasn’t shown any improvement since he broke on to the scene for us.

Cleverley was a decent young player and he looked great under SAF, unfortunately he wasn’t a great player, same as Rashford won’t be a great player.

You can quote me on this and come back in 5 years and I will say I told you so.

He will never be good enough for what United are striving towards.

He will be lucky to become half the player Lukaku is and he gets so much stick.
He is actually,Lukaku looks like he should be in the boxing ring not a fecking football pitch,he's massive.
Just by the way,if we were set up to attack teams,Rashford would be a nightmare for any team.He has just about everything,unfortunately the idiot in charge only wants to pander to the big lump in the team and Fellaini when the big lump can't score.
 

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Everton Ambitions
Jose Mourinho has also claimed Everton’s level of ambition is ‘similar’ to Manchester United’s.

The Red Devils sit below Marco Silva’s men in the Premier League table ahead of Sunday’s clash and when asked about the test, Mourinho replied: “Difficult, incredible investment.

“We knew the club would move in that direction, very good players, players from Barcelona. So that is the level which Everton wants to reach. Their ambitions are very similar to our ambitions.”
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/spo...s/everton-news-transfers-live-davies-15320360

He always talks about investments :lol: Same with Wolves, West Ham and now Everton.
 

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Mourinho asked about Lukaku
I always feel, I always feel that every game. One day will be and one day he will score and one day his confidence levels will be back to normal, which clearly they are not there but I always feel that.
Hahah hope you'll ever say the same to Rashford/Martial. Laugh at your discrimination management Jose :p
 

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please drop Matic and play Andreas.
Please drop Lukaku and play Rashford and/or Martial as striker(s).