It was already a problem. That's why they ended up with Lopetegui
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What were the candidates available for them to negotiate with ? Zidane shocked them by his leaving and they weren't prepared.
Now, if they went to someone like Conte he will run to Madrid to accept the job.
Conte is currently jobless and would walk in, win a few trophies, have a massive fight with Perez and end up getting fired with a huge payout.
Lopetegui was hardly available, no more so than any other manager and yet they still got him. I would say it was pretty obvious, considering his pedigree (or lack thereof) that they had other targets other than him but who, for one reason or another, did not want to manage Real at that time.
In fact, Lopetegui is a perfect example of the horrible potential consequences of taking the Real job. He was managing his national team, pretty cushy job, good chance of winning the world cup. He takes this job and a few days later, is fired from Spain. A few months later and almost certainly will be fired from Real Madrid as well.
Just like in any walk of life, there may be lots of reasons why someone would not want to take a particular job, even if its seen as the most lucrative or prestigious within that field. Family, being settled, being happy where you are, not wanting constant massive pressure, enjoying job security, not wanting to be part of a toxic environment etc etc.
Real are no different.
They're having a pretty poor season by their standards and the job on whichever manager comes after Lopetegui will be no easier.
Lopetegui was hardly available, no more so than any other manager and yet they still got him. I would say it was pretty obvious, considering his pedigree (or lack thereof) that they had other targets other than him but who, for one reason or another, did not want to manage Real at that time.
In fact, Lopetegui is a perfect example of the horrible potential consequences of taking the Real job. He was managing his national team, pretty cushy job, good chance of winning the world cup. He takes this job and a few days later, is fired from Spain. A few months later and almost certainly will be fired from Real Madrid as well.
Just like in any walk of life, there may be lots of reasons why someone would not want to take a particular job, even if its seen as the most lucrative or prestigious within that field. Family, being settled, being happy where you are, not wanting constant massive pressure, enjoying job security, not wanting to be part of a toxic environment etc etc.
Real are no different.
They're having a pretty poor season by their standards and the job on whichever manager comes after Lopetegui will be no easier.
If the game that first comes to mind of you winning through ref mistakes is a game you won 10-2 then maybe you didn’t really get much help. It’s always the same though, luck and referees. You always reason out those are the two reasons why you won and ignore the games you lost points in. Most football fans are the other way around.
Just like that Clasico could be seen from a mile away, so did this season. The difference was Benitez’s Madrid was twice the team that Lopetegui’s Madrid is.
Firing Lopetegui won’t just solve it all either, plenty of problems in this team besides the manager.
That looks like a good record; so why did they fire him?
He lost the dressing room and Barcelona were superb at the time. If Benitez had been facing the current Barcelona he’d have probably lasted the whole season
Ah, thanks.
His tactics in that match were beyond atrocious
I do not know where Marcelo wanted to go, but it was clear that Real was at the end of a great cycle and many players wanted to follow Ronaldo and Zidane and had nothing more to give either for phisycal or psychological reasons.You actually believe tuttosport
And yes, it is very much the manager's fault if the team is in dire physical shape in October, doesn't play at anything and appears to have no hunger or motivation. The performance against Plizen at home in this moment was inexcusable. It's pretty clear that he's not getting through to the players, our positioning all game was a mess. That happens when players don't know what they're supposed to be doing
Lopetegui isn't getting through to the players. The only way things could get worse with another guy is if we hire a maniac like Conte and he proceeds to alienate 3/4 of the team within 3 days and fights them on the 4th.
'Sides, last time we changed manager mid-season, it worked out pretty well
Real has not properly reinforced the team for 3 years now and has relied on an incredible group of players that have brought extraordinary results thanks to their strengths but also to a set of lucky circumstances such as many many favourable referee decisions in several key games or other events like Salah injury or the Liverpool keeper blunders.
Now I am not saying this to underestimate Real's merits or strengths but there were already many signs that the cycle was ending and the problem has not been selling ronaldo but not selling Bale, Modric and Benzema and buying new strong players. You have become complacent, which is only natural when you enjoy that type of success, but now it is just a case of building a new cycle, they should have started already last year, they will now have to do it with one year more of transition trying to get back on top within a couple of years.
Blaming Lopetegui for all this is a joke. Lopetegui is a very competent manager that made the only mistake of accepting a job that was deemed to be very difficult from the beginning and it is not by chance that many top managers refused it.
Then you can yell all you want at the manager incompetence but that will not solve the issue
We were down 2-1 after 10 minutes and they were pissing us, then the ref came to our rescue with an absurd red card, after which we scored two quick goals. Then the ref sent off another player. That game was a farce
Because we played like shit, and because results weren't good. 37 points out of 18 games in the league, the humiliation in the clasico, we were going nowhere fast.
Marcelo wanted and wants to stay, and the only players who manifested the desire to leave were Cristiano and Modric...
I'm not blaming Lopetegui for the flaws in the squad, at the end of the day that's on Florentino. I do blame Lopetegui for doing a bad job so far. If the players don't know what they're supposed to be doing, that's on the manager. If we finish like 5 games with 10 players because he can't even manage subs properly, that's on the manager. If he keeps playing clearly out of form players, that's on him. If he keeps coming up with ridiculous lineups, that's on him. If we look like 3/4 of players are dead on their feet 20 minutes into games, that's on him. He's been here 4 months, and in 4 months the only changes he's made in terms of playing style have been for the worse.
It's clear that the job's too big for him. We aren't asking him to win the treble and win every game. We got outplayed at home by Espanyol, didn't even show up in Sevilla, lost to CSKA, lost with the most futile "attacking" performance ever in Alaves, lost at home to Levante but at least the performance was a encouraging, but then we go and get almost outplayed at home by fecking Victoria Plzen
I do not think he has suddenly become incompetent, he has been excellent with the national team. At this level motivation is everything and it might well be that at training ground he doesn't see players doing what they are supposed to and then piles on mistakes because he is trying a way out. Of course he will have his own responsibilities, but from outside he looks to me the least responsible. A transition year was likely to happen no matter who was the manager IMO and if there is responsibility that lies mainly with the club that did not prepare the change in advance and gave the impression of being totally dumbfounded by Zidane and Ronaldo's decisions while they were clear for a while.
In any case I cannot blame Perez too much either since preserving the team brought to Madrid the best winning record since the 50's, it was not easy to change before seeing the cycle to the end, it is just physiological
He is facing the same problems he had at Porto. Problem here is the size of the ship is even bigger to sail. At this rate its fair to say he looks like he is going to die on the beach. Even if they don't exist in Madrid.
Let's hope they keep falling off a cliff and end up outside the CL spots.
Conte never took a team mid season, I think. I am not sure he can help in such a moment, and he has to solve his problems with Chelsea before that. I think that Conte could be a good solution for next year, if he can be supported by the management to avoid a revolution in the locker room.
To be the manager of a national team is completely different. In this case he has only to choose some players that are trained by other managers.
Whether Lopetegui is incompetent or not doesn't matter. What matters is that he's proving to be unfit to his current job. And that means we can't keep him on. Maybe his successor will be just as bad, maybe even worse. Who knows. But sticking with him is pointless.
Whaaaaaat? Whaaaat? What? Your club must not operate under the "until the mathematically out of top 4" law.
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Is this satire or a genuine quote?
Courtois seems like a dickhead tbh.
According to paper, player said to other players.
I hope it isn't true. Not that I particularly care about Conte, Mourinho or Courtouis but it just sounds overly dramatic.
He won the premier league with both of those managers, but he is talking like each of them set fire to his car and threatened him with physical violence on a daily basis.
Please Thibaut, don't give Flo ideas 
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Courtois denied it. So yeah it isn't true.
I didn't realise Madrid are 7th in the table, how did that happen?
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@FootyGirl88 The Clasico? No, not nervous at all, why? 
People are too keen to forget that he featured in the league last year, and that he propelled them to an embarrassing 76 points which was their worst league campaign this side of Mourinho's 2012/13 scorched earth season.
Worst points total since the 2005/06 season actually, tied with the 06/07 season(we won the league that season)
The absolute arrogance and irony of this thread is staggering
They were acting all cocky when Ronaldo left. It's not so easy now is it?
No chance. Opposition fans wish same for us but it also won't happen. Unfortunately/fortunately with the money in football and big clubs, will be difficult to fall behind forever.
To be fair there was no reasonable way to predict that they would start off this badly. That squad is still quality, Lopetegui has just been managing them horribly. Even without Ronaldo this Madrid team is much better than 7th place.
Has not much to do with Ronaldo, you cant be successful with the same squad for years and years and an average club manager.
You can do a good job with their squad and an average manager, and I'm not taking a blow at Zidane here. These players are enough to win 9 games out of 10 in their sleep.
What isn't to be expected is for an average manager that's not applying his methods to milk something out of a great squad