The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[cheeky_backheel]

Dude this is honestly getting ridiculous. Firstly you've mentioned Trippier and 2ndly it's rather obvious it was on Toby lol I mean why are you even arguing this…

1. Were the other two passes i raised better choices or not? neither of those choices would have put the receiving player under immediate pressure like the pass did to Toby.

2. So Toby is bad on the ball - is that your main measurement for the quality of a CB?

 

[Canagel]

His reasoning at the time was similar to mine now. The board are at fault. He's been consistent in this, as have I.

I wanted Moyes gone because I didn't rate him from his past history. I would have never appointed someone with that track record so I will say I disagree with Neville that Moyes should have stayed.

I'll say this for the last time Van Gaal and Mourinho are very, very successful football managers. You will get your wish next season, there will be a new coach. Promise me one thing, if the next one fails, you will open your mind. We need supporters across the world to be aware. You make as much difference as those close by, don't under estimate your importance. Make considerations about the football club in 30-40 years time, not just next season etc.

Past success isn't an indicator of future success.
Otherwise why else would nearly all the top clubs in Europe have managers that didn't win many trophies?
Because they choose on other criterias such as quality of football, development of players etc

 

[CA1]

Past success isn't an indicator of future success.
Otherwise why else would nearly all the top clubs in Europe have managers that didn't win many trophies?
Because they choose on other criterias such as quality of football, development of players etc

Well lets just put a load of names into a hat and pick one out then? It's obviously one big lottery.

Barca, Bayern and Real are as low as they have been for a long, long time.

 

[Schneckerl]

Barca, Bayern and Real are as low as they have been for a long, long time.

They just won 3 CLs in a row with a manager without any past accomplishments?

 

[Siorac]

This thread is getting ridiculous.

Yeah, someone seriously claimed our team isn't much better than West Ham. A few more months of Mourinho and his cultists will start saying our squad is Championship quality.

 

[CA1]

They just won 3 CLs in a row with a manager without any past accomplishments?

Anyone who thinks the manager played a key role in that success is living in a dream world.

Did he even sign a player while he was there?

 

[CA1]

Yeah, someone seriously claimed our team isn't much better than West Ham. A few more months of Mourinho and his cultists will start saying our squad is Championship quality.

Our first choice back 4 is not that far away from West Ham's. He wasn't that far wrong.

 

[Canagel]

Anyone who thinks the manager played a key role in that success is living in a dream world.

Did he even sign a player while he was there?

this is too much I swear. Keep going man you're making me laugh.

 

[Schneckerl]

Anyone who thinks the manager played a key role in that success is living in a dream world.

Did he even sign a player while he was there?

Facts are he had more success than proven CL winner Rafa with the same squad.

 

[Leftback99]

Yeah, someone seriously claimed our team isn't much better than West Ham. A few more months of Mourinho and his cultists will start saying our squad is Championship quality.

I said the starting 11 on Sunday isn't much better than the West Ham line up that beat us if you read properly. Do you think the starting 11 on Sunday is top 4 quality?

 

[Catt]

Predicting something is not the same as hoping for something.

You hoped Shaw got ripped apart by Hazard at the Bridge.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Past success isn't an indicator of future success.
Otherwise why else would nearly all the top clubs in Europe have managers that didn't win many trophies?
Because they choose on other criterias such as quality of football, development of players etc

You guys just like to make stuff up. Below are last 5 managers for some big clubs

Madrid last 5 mangers - lopetuigi, zidane, Benitez, Ancelotti, Mourinho. Only Zidane was unknown and didnt have any prior success, but he had the benefit of a great squad.

Bayern - Kovacs, Heynkes, Ancelotti, Guardiola, LvG. Only Kovac has the least pedigree (won DFB Pokal) but he is not doing so well

Barcelona is the only club you could ascribe to making philosophical choices with managers, but it is difficult to evaluate the quality of such choices when one considers the quality of players (messi, suarez, neymar, xavi, iniesta, pique, henry etc) their managers have had at their disposal.

 

[CA1]

You hoped Shaw got ripped apart by Hazard at the Bridge.

I was joking to be fair Katie because I was getting stick for saying Arnautovic was going to rip Lindelof apart a few weeks earlier.

I think Shaw is slowly improving, his defensive positioning is still way off but he needs a run of games to improve this.

 

[b20times]

Go. It's obvious he isn't going to turn it around. It's painful at the minute.

 

[fellaini's barber]

Bloody hell the last few pages, it's like after the City game they all went underground to think up new excuses and spins and bam!back with a bang on Tuesday

 

[RedStarUnited]

That Zabaletta comment really stung deep, and im not the one that had to chase him back for 90 minutes.

Ive had this belief for so long. Win or Lose, teams come of the pitch against us and think they gave us a game. Teams come of the pitch against City and thank god if they kept the score down.

 

[Red_toad]

Bloody hell the last few pages, it's like after the City game they all went underground to think up new excuses and spins and bam!back with a bang on Tuesday

They whom?
If you mean they whom don't agree with your opinion, then that's a very belittling attitude you got going on there.

Fans may well think they have all the answers. But I'd say United is a massive job and will take some time to sort it out. Jose leaving may well just prolong those issues.
I believe his time is up, but I don't think sacking him will resolve anything.

 

[BlueHaze]

Anyone who thinks the manager played a key role in that success is living in a dream world.

No, only daft people who knows absolutely nothing about football would make such a statement. Fact of the matter is to win 3 CL titles in a row you have to be something special otherwise, tell me Einstein, why is he the only one to ever do it in history of football? Why didn't any manager prior to him do it with the same squad? Why couldn't Pep do it with that absolute monster quality side he had? Why couldn't Sir Alex, the greatest of all time do it? You can have great players in every position but they only become a great team with the right manager.

You have been out trolling in full force today making utterly moronic statements like "Only Zlatan was Mourinhos signing" And now that Zidane should get no credit for pulling off the biggest achievment in Madrid history. But I guess you are right, the players only went out and played on their own with no tactical instructions or any kind of guidance and managed to win 3 CL titles on the trot... Are you just jealous that Zidane is miles above Moyesinho?

 

[fellaini's barber]

These Jose mentalists almost had me believe Pep has signed a full team, decided they were crap and bought a new one with the way they moan about Pep being allowed to 'replace' his mistakes while Jose hasn't. Till you look it up and find only Nolito and Bravo, who both cost about €30m or something combined.

But poor Jose who has already replaced a $30m dud with a 400k/w dud, needs to be allowed to replace Bailly(30m), Lindelof(30m), even Matic(40m), Fred(50m) etc to catch up.

 

[Adnan]

Our board have made countless cock ups and one of them cock ups was appointing Mourinho as our manager.

After spending close to a 100m on our back line, he still has Chris Smalling starting every game and has the cheek to complain about a lack of funds so he can waste more money on replacing his own failed signings.

In the midfield he has been backed to the tune of £180m and we struggle to dominate against the so called cannon fodder in the league.

He was backed in his wish to bring in a striker for a extortionate amount of money when we paid £75m rising to £90m for Lukaku. A striker who isn't good enough for a team with our aspirations and has technical flaws to his game. But I guess if you're built like a heavy weight boxer then Mourinho is willing to forego the technical flaws.

He should've been fired last season after the shit show against Sevilla in the UCL and fired again after his comments post match.

We need to bring in a coach who is attack minded. We need to think outside the box and take a chance on someone who we feel has big potential. I would seriously consider Eddie Howe for the position and bring Rene Mulensteen as a assistant. With Howe I'm pretty confident we'd play attacking football which should be the norm for a Manchester United manager.

 

[fellaini's barber]

They whom?
If you mean they whom don't agree with your opinion, then that's a very belittling attitude you got going on there.

Fans may well think they have all the answers. But I'd say United is a massive job and will take some time to sort it out. Jose leaving may well just prolong those issues.
I believe his time is up, but I don't think sacking him will resolve anything.

Yeah, someone is calling everyone who wants Jose out a plastic fan amongst other idiotic statements but I'm the one belttling others...

 

[CM]

and why wasnt he given those minutes?

Gaffer's a nobhead

 

[GlastonSpur]

It's amazing to see that nearly 30% of those who voted don't want Mourinho to go yet.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Anyone who thinks the manager played a key role in that success is living in a dream world.

Did he even sign a player while he was there?

 

[In Rainbows]

Yeah, someone is calling everyone who wants Jose out a plastic fan amongst other idiotic statements but I'm the one belttling others...

The funny thing is, the top reds, who call others glory hunters for wanting Mou out, are the ones who want Mourinho because he will win trophies in their eyes. The "glory hunters" who simply want entertaining football back are the ones who care about results.

Unbelievable.

 

[Cloud7]

Bloody hell the last few pages, it's like after the City game they all went underground to think up new excuses and spins and bam!back with a bang on Tuesday

Yeah it’s gotten proper crazy in here over the past few pages. Really difficult to read some of this stuff, as I don’t know how to react. Part of me wants to burst out laughing at how ridiculous it is, and part of me feels sorry for the amount of mental gymnastics that some of these posters are going through to defend Mourinho.

 

[fellaini's barber]

The funny thing is, the top reds, who call others glory hunters for wanting Mou out, are the ones who want Mourinho because he will win trophies in their eyes. The "glory hunters" who simply want entertaining football back are the ones who care about results.

Unbelievable.

This crazy lot are not top reds, top reds were people who thought there was something noble about not wanting a manager fired, that made them better fans than others. They were the guys quoting 'stand by your manager' during the Moyes era,(he needs more time etc) people like Garry Neville, deluded but understable a bit. The fanaticm of the cultists in this thread have nothing to do with love for the club but total enthralment for their deity. Not a single word against a failing manager who's constantly shitting on the club, but nothing but insults,condescension,blame and digs at EVERYTHING else, the players, fans,board,Glazers...all for a manager who's done a shit job. One has said that if we sack Jose he'll go win the CL at Madrid while everyone else we hire will fail, like does this even sound like a United fan at all?

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

This crazy lot are not top reds, top reds were people who thought there was something noble about not wanting a manager fired, that made them better fans than others. They were the guys quoting 'stand by your manager' during the Moyes era,(he needs more time etc) people like Garry Neville, deluded but understable a bit. The fanaticm of the cultists in this thread have nothing to do with love for the club but total enthralment for their deity. Not a single word against a failing manager who's constantly shitting on the club, but nothing but insults,condescension,blame and digs at EVERYTHING else, the players, fans,board,Glazers...all for a manager who's done a shit job. One has said that if we sack Jose he'll go win the CL at Madrid while everyone else we hire will fail, like does this even sound like a United fan at all?

His love for Jose is appalling honestly.

Jose couldn't win the CL with Real when he himself was a better manager and Real had a better team.

But if he goes there now, he'll win it while being a worse manager and Real being a worse team. Fantasy.

 

[Mainoldo]

These Jose mentalists almost had me believe Pep has signed a full team, decided they were crap and bought a new one with the way they moan about Pep being allowed to 'replace' his mistakes while Jose hasn't. Till you look it up and find only Nolito and Bravo, who both cost about €30m or something combined.

But poor Jose who has already replaced a $30m dud with a 400k/w dud, needs to be allowed to replace Bailly(30m), Lindelof(30m), even Matic(40m), Fred(50m) etc to catch up.

He had a better base. You know PFA players of the year David Silva; Sergio Augero and KDB. 3 players who we quickly caught up with in 1 transfer window (Pogba; Zlatan; Mkhitaryan) but obviously it was the others.. who funnily enough are no longer there. You know the Joe Harts; Sami Nasri; Fernando;Jovetic’s of This world. So his better base isn’t not actually his better base as they no longer play for the club. It obviously he had a better squad to work with than Mourinho. Nothing to do with him improving player performance.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

He had a better base. You know PFA players of the year David Silva; Sergio Augero and KDB. 3 players who we quickly caught up with in 1 transfer window (Pogba; Zlatan; Mkhitaryan) but obviously it was the others.. who funnily enough are no longer there. You know the Joe Harts; Sami Nasri; Fernando;Jovetic’s of This world. So his better base isn’t not actually his better base as they no longer play for the club. It obviously he had a better squad to work with than Mourinho. Nothing to do with him improving player performance.

So you think a 35yr old Zlatan is equal to a 28yr Aguero and Mkhi is of same quality as Silva? I am guessing Smalling is also better than Kompany and Jones is better than Otamendi in your opinion?

Since then, they have brought in more players and spent more money while we are busy being cheap, overpaying for less talented and/or older players, and, even renewing contracts of players we should let go.

Before Mourinho joined, we paid £28m for Fellaini, £37m for Mata, £60m on Di Maria, £30m on Herrera, £30m on Luke shaw, £25m for Depay, £25m on schneiderlin and £60m on Martial. How many of those have been worth the money paid?

We can keep blaming Moyes, LvG, Mourinho or any other manager that comes next, but the only constant in it, that has had the final say on transfers, has been Ed. Our squad is a bad state and its on him.

Get someone more competent to handle transfers and then lets see what the manager can do.

 

[68Guns]

Hasn't Jose been sacked yet? for goodness sake what's the hold up? Now is the ideal time to bin him and get a new young up coming manager with ideas, tactical awareness and plans.
Jose has none of these, hes made us a laughing stock in Manchester and throughout the country. The prima donna overpaid signings if his are freeloaders here for the Wonga. They have no resolve, no pride and from what I've seen not much talent. Lukaku isn't worth 3 crayons and a bubble gum, he has no control of a football and should be off loaded asap. How did we let Jose spunk all that money in him? Yeah Ed Woodward should go too he is a complete waste of space.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Us keeping him is the equivalent of us throwing in the towel and accepting that we're not going to match them anytime soon. Which is a shame really given the last time something like this happened we put a plan in place to make up the gap.

 

[RooneyLegend]

So you think a 35yr old Zlatan is equal to a 28yr Aguero and Mkhi is of same quality as Silva? I am guessing Smalling is also better than Kompany and Jones is better than Otamendi in your opinion?

Since then, they have brought in more players and spent more money while we are busy being cheap, overpaying for less talented and/or older players, and, even renewing contracts of players we should let go.

Before Mourinho joined, we paid £28m for Fellaini, £37m for Mata, £60m on Di Maria, £30m on Herrera, £30m on Luke Shaw, £25m for Depay, £25m on Schneiderlin and £60m on Martial. How many of those have been worth the money paid?

We can keep blaming Moyes, LvG, Mourinho or any other manager that comes next, but the only constant in it, that has had the final say on transfers, has been Ed. Our squad is a bad state and its on him.

Get someone more competent to handle transfers and then lets see what the manager can do.

Are you saying our managers should have no say in our transfers?

 

[E-mal]

Those who think this outdated manager should be relieved of his duties have their head buried in the sand as far as am concerned.

 

[E-mal]

One goes to work daily and pass through all the hard work and emotional roller coaster only for one to seat and watch the eye sore dished out every weekend.
Is just not a fair bargain.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

Are you saying our managers should have no say in our transfers?

What I am saying is the manager's primary role should be in identifying the specific needs of the squad e.g. experienced CB, CF, playmaker etc and should be able to describe the kind of player and desirable characteristics he feels is needed to fill that role.

Any list he provides are only potential candidates and targets should not be limited to only those. At the end of the day the club should try its best to get a player to fill the identified need identified,keeping in mind other factor like finances, long term vision, age, durability etc, even if said player was not on the initial list from manager. Of course manager should be carried along in the process and not simply blindsided or vetoed.

What we seem to have been doing is trying to get only those on the list, and when suitable deals cannot be reached, we dont get anybody at all.
Also, being able to expand your search pool improves your negotiating position as you are more ready to walk away from a bad deal.

 

[RooneyLegend]

What I am saying is the manager's primary role should be in identifying the specific needs of the squad e.g. experienced CB, CF, playmaker etc and should be able to describe the kind of player and desirable characteristics he feels is needed to fill that role.

Any list he provides are only potential candidates and targets should not be limited to only those. At the end of the day the club should try its best to get a player to fill the identified need identified,keeping in mind other factor like finances, long term vision, age, durability etc, even if said player was not on the initial list from manager. Of course manager should be carried along in the process and not simply blindsided or vetoed.

What we seem to have been doing is trying to get only those on the list, and when suitable deals cannot be reached, we dont get anybody at all.
Also, being able to expand your search pool improves your negotiating position as you are more ready to walk away from a bad deal.

We give managers as much power as we possibly can. I wonder how Jose would react to getting players that he isn't asking for. Its the dream for top level managers to go around naming players they need and get them. If its possible, its generally done by the club.

The targets these blokes have given the club have all not done what is needed. How about they look for better targets instead of moaning when they cant get a specific player. How
about some of these signings that they themselves demand end up being successful. The failure rate of our new signings is alarming especially because its who the manager asked for.

 

[cheeky_backheel]

We give managers as much power as we possibly can. I wonder how Jose would react to getting players that he isn't asking for. Its the dream for top level managers to go around naming players they need and get them. If its possible, its generally done by the club.

The targets these blokes have given the club have all not done what is needed. How about they look for better targets instead of moaning when they cant get a specific player. How
about some of these signings that they themselves demand end up being successful. The failure rate of our new signings is alarming especially because its who the manager asked for.

Unless you have a bottomless pocket, you shouldn't risk giving a blank check to any manager.Almost every top manager can boast of one big transfer failing e.g Mourinho signed quaresma who was voted worst player in serie A. Guardiola traded eto+50m for Ibra which lasted only one season. Even SAF has his own.

Leaving transfers to be fully dictated by a manager risks you ending up with an expensive squad that has been tailored to that manager's preferences. That squad would more likely or not need overhauling once that manager leaves.

if mourinho doesn't like it, you fire him and hire someone that is fine with the arrangement. But I dont think he would have a problem with it if he knows his identified needs are being met within the means and vision of the club, and on field expectations are set accordingly. This was done at Madrid and Inter.

Where i have seen mourinho and other managers have problems is when you have executives that are backseat driving the team. A DoF should be trying to fulfill the needs of the manager and not telling the manager what he needs or does not need. The manager should be allowed to build a team that suits his style of play. if at any point you dont trust the manager's judgment, then you should fire him.

Until we have improved the management of the squad, transfers and wages, I dont see the miracle any manager will perform and will only end up spending more money trying to build a squad to his own taste. I prefer we make other changes first and leave manager and player changes till later.

 

[roonster09]

Back him or sack him is arguably the worst logic I have seen on Caf. It's like there is no middle ground, either sign the players manager asked for or just sack him, if every club follows that, no manager will survive the transfer market.

 

[hasanejaz88]

Back him or sack him is arguably the worst logic I have seen on Caf. It's like there is no middle ground, either sign the players manager asked for or just sack him, if every club follows that, no manager will survive the transfer market.

I agree. I'm not in either camp when it comes to 'back him or sack him'. I hate him as the manager of United but you still need to give him time. No one is asking him to win the title that people are suggesting to give him an unlimited transfer budget, the goal should be to get into the top 4 right now and we definitely have squad to be there. If he doesn't do that then I'm sorry but he has no excuses.

It's not as if Mourinho hasn't been given a large transfer fund since he has come, he simply hasn't made any of the transfers work and that's why we currently see ourselves where we are in the table. Therefore, as crazy as it sounds to say this about a manager who has won as much as he has, he has to prove himself again this season before he can be given a large transfer fund. If he can get this team into the top 4, then we can think of keeping him and giving him a large fund.

It's crazy to say that Mourinho hasn't been backed till now, if that were the case we wouldn't be seeing two 90 MP+ players, one player on a massive contract and other multiple signings in the team. The problem is that Mourinho simply has not performed up to expectations with those group of players so I completly understand if the board is reluctant to give him funds. Get into the top four then we can talk about funds next season.