Much as it might not make us any better please let him leave, he's really destroying my love for the game atm.
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Indeed, it's why I'm leaning towards Eddie Howe despite it being an extreme risk. Great poster in there with the events along the way to taking Bournemonth to the Prem.
It's a much bigger risk than Lvg/Mourinho I think it needs to be someone that can get us playing good football over instant results this time.
For that reason, I'd prefer Poch, Howe or Jardim over Conte, Zidane, Ancelotti.
This is spot on. We played like a big club under LVG but a big club that lacked effectiveness in the final third. Mourinho's football is that of an underdog. Sitting deep, being passive, and trying to nick goals by captilizing on mistakes made by the opposition (i.e. waiting for moments rather than creating them). It is not innovative or particularly sophisticated. It is how most clubs down the bottom of the table play their football.
That ones probably down to the guy who identifies what players he wants to buy...
The failure to get a defender doesn't work as an excuse either, because he'd been given more than enough resources beforehand to get us competing again. He failed to.
I think once top 4 is mathematically impossible (a matter of time) then he’s gone. Not before.
You say that as if we still aren’t mind numbingly dull...?
It is not should he go or stay? He should be sacked now.
We can speculate all we want but I'm resigned to nature taking it's course and him going when 4th place is mathematically impossible. It happened before with Moyes and LVG why would it be any different now? I can foresee him doing just about enough with the odd good result to keep the life support machine going before the plug is finally pulled. I just hope it's sooner rather than later - I cant bear to watch this excrement any longer. 
The football is worse now. Has been for a long time and it’s not the first time I’ve argued this.
This is just nonsensical.
Van Gaal had 150m to spend(before the Neymar inflation)
He signed 4 players in his last Summer here. 3 of those didnt even make the squad of his last game.
Like Mourinho has done with Dalot and Fred, the problem is that we have managers that sign players and then have no plan what do with them.
My take on LVG vs Jose:
LVG had a shit attacking plan which involved keeping the ball without actually creating anything. And he managed to coach the players well in that shit way.
Jose has no attacking plan.
Would you rather have a shite plan or no plan?
LVG had a shit attacking plan which involved keeping the ball without actually creating anything. And he managed to coach the players well in that shit way.
Jose has no attacking plan.
Would you rather have a shite plan or no plan?
Umm and what are we doing this season?
You're misinterpreting criticism of your sanctimonious and pretentious thread and subsequent behaviour for criticism of you criticising Jose.
Look through my recent posts, I'm firmly Jose out, but I also go to the games and know that to support the team above all else is what matters, irrespective of my thoughts on the manager. Because, you know, that's what fans are supposed to do.
As opposed to what you do, which is to threaten to boycott the club you profess to support unless the manager (LvG) gets sacked and replaced by the man you want (Jose), and then, when the man you wanted to succeed the last man in charge also flops, you then threaten to boycott the club again. And then, when you're criticised for blaming the fans for the malaise the club is in because they're not acting like spoiled children with the white hankies a la Madrid, you have yet another hissy fit.
Just because the Jose songs gets sung, doesn't mean everyone is uncritical. I've said it numerous times on here, most of the fans can be split three ways in terms of their apportioning of blame: the manager, the board, and the players, with the majority blaming a combination of the board and Jose.
I don’t know if this is sarcasm or not, but if anything Woodward was let down by Van Gaal in the transfer market, I can’t think of a worse waste of money done by any manager than Van Gaal. He bought shite.
Or you could have pep / Klopp / Poch etc who have both. we just need to grab the next best coach. We got sucked in by Jose but he’s blagged us all.
We're Manchester United.
But The Glazers and Ed Woodward make our footballing decisions.
They are making decisions on our behalf. You have to accept what they choose. Everything in the last 6 years is on them.
Hence why they should all be hounded at every opportunity. But people are more arsed talking about the coach all the time.
He built this team, so it's poor excuse to say that it's not good enough. It's good enough to beat palace.
Well no I’m not, I’ve made many posts slagging us off just tonight, I don’t need to include how dreadful we currently are in every post!
You don't think the manager is part of the problem?
This game felt like the Sevilla game last season. The point that I lost hope of any actual progress being made.
We are playing like a side who'd be happy to get 40 points.
I don't expect champagne football anymore, but some heart and a basic level of ability would be nice. We can't pass, we can't defend, we won't press high up the pitch, we won't push men forward when we do win the ball. We literally have no upside right now.
That only changes if Mourinho does which I can't see. We've got technically proficient players just rotting on the bench whilst Matic just strolls around like a broken man. We've got players who can and will run yet we walk, we have players who could press yet we just concede space for fun.
Everytime someone shows some heart and wins the ball or beats a man they either slow down, get slowed down by team mates or feck up basic football. It's grim and today I was genuinely annoyed that I paid to watch such a gutless display.
We are playing like a side who'd be happy to get 40 points.
I don't expect champagne football anymore, but some heart and a basic level of ability would be nice. We can't pass, we can't defend, we won't press high up the pitch, we won't push men forward when we do win the ball. We literally have no upside right now.
That only changes if Mourinho does which I can't see. We've got technically proficient players just rotting on the bench whilst Matic just strolls around like a broken man. We've got players who can and will run yet we walk, we have players who could press yet we just concede space for fun.
Everytime someone shows some heart and wins the ball or beats a man they either slow down, get slowed down by team mates or feck up basic football. It's grim and today I was genuinely annoyed that I paid to watch such a gutless display.
Neither, but when there's a plan, there's at least some sort of hope that things would fall into place given the right ingredients. With no plan there's no hope.
Only person who let LvG down was himself, his conservative football and persistence with Rooney cost us the points which caused us to miss out on CL football. He never really gave us any indication that we'd be challenging, even if we had signed his first choice targets, who by all accounts were unrealistic to begin with, weren't there reports of a near £100m bid for Thomas Mueller at one point?
Van Gaal was crap but lets not pretend he had loads of good players at his disposal either. He didn't. No manager since Fergie has or will for a long time whilst Woodward, Glazers are running the show.
Considering how bad Mueller is now, we dodged a bullet big time.
The football was worse under LVG, by and large. Hard to imagine but I'm pretty sure I'm remembering that right.
A friend at the game said the fans have started turning on him.
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Tactics, team selection etc is down to the manager.
In terms of the main virus at the club that has rotted the club in the last 6 years, he's not part of the problem very much at all. Neither was Van Gaal or Moyes.
Spurs finished behind us last season.
They signed no one this Summer. Look at them.
They signed no one this Summer. Look at them.
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Of course not. Bloody hellThis isn't serious, right?
Doesn’t take a genius to work out why teams like Spurs are miles ahead of us.
We need someone who can use money better like Klopp or Pep. Period.
Let’s not have Van Gaal revisionism - his football was unwatchable and he was long past his sell by date. We’ve hired two managers in succession who were past their best (arguably Moyes was too, even though his best was never good enough in the first place). The key next time is to find someone still on the upward curve without going so far as to take a wild gamble on a rookie.
I'm kinda disappointed @CA1 is replying to everyone but me
But Jose also had similar problems at his last two clubs. We all remember his stint at Chelsea. But his last 6 months at Madrid were a sight to behold too.
My point is that we should get rid of Jose. But I agree with you that we need even more changes than that. Woodward does need to go back to a non football role.
If we added a Pogba to that team it would of made a huge difference.
Funniest thing is that Palace were still going for it right up until the end albeit they were fairly wanked. I mean they probably came away from OT not overly happy with a point. That really says a-lot.
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