If we qualify for next seasons CL then we can consider giving him another year...If we dont then he has to go,as simple as that...
The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked
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Has Ten Hag been sacked yet? We're not sure and we hope not, but it's looking more likely as the days pass.
Who should replace him and why is it taking so long to make a decision?
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We won't be in the top 4 by the end of year. Just save your time
No thanks there are a lot of games to play. We likely won't sack him either way before 2019 is over anyway.
My vote doesn't change much on the poll regardless.
Clearly he is being sarcastic.
Ugh!! - nightmare scenario. Somehow, through a combination of good luck and a couple of other teams imploding, we scrape into fourth place. Jose goes into full 'look at me, I'm great' mode, demands Ed buys him another three or four centre backs, and this time next year we're no further forward.
I hear you.
But what exactly is the ‘criteria’?
Our last 3 managers have all been very different.
Moyes was Ferguson choice wasn't he? The next 2 under Woody seem to fit a pre requisite of having decorated CVs at top clubs.
Closest you have is Conte, but he's not risk free as the final season with Chelsea damaged him massively.
Then you have Jardim, who may be the closest fit but again, not sure if he's someone Ed would turn to. He had a great season with Monaco but then got sacked. The relegation battle wasn't really his fault from what I've read but I don't know if one title in the French league is enough for Ed, who needs success guaranteed in his next managerial appointment.
Poch may be unattainable from Spurs and other decorated managers don't seem available. Allegri is an option but he's not really an attacking coach is he? He also seems happy at Juventus.
Zidane isn't interested too.
Thing is, regardless of whether or not Ferguson recommended Moyes for the job, it doesn't mean Woodward had to choose him.
For me, LvG and Mourinho are two completely different managers too. Sure, they have both managed big clubs and have a history of winning trophies, but what about their footballing philosophies?
LvG was all about possession football, whereas Mourinho is allergic to the stuff.
If the criteria is a manager that has worked with the biggest clubs and has won trophies, we can forget about Pochettino being a target surely? Then again, it wouldn't completely surprise me if we did end up going for him.
So back to my point, I honestly don't know what the actual criteria is.
Woody I don't think was involved in the hiring of the manager directly post SAF, as Gill was still in the role with Ferguson at the time.
I think his criteria looks simple - big club CVs and a history of silverware. He will look to the attacking brand no doubt but I don't think it's as important as success.
Poch is sort of a special case. It's difficult to ignore his great work at Spurs even though he hasn't won silverware with them. In any case if we widened the criteria who is actually available? Eddie Howe, Jardim, Conte? That's sort of it.
I don’t think there is much criteria or thought process. SAF picked Moyes, he was so out of his depth they wanted an experienced manager who was nothing like him and LVG was being touted round. Then Mourinho was available and we had a free run at him, really won’t think they put much thought or due diligence into these appointments.
It’s probably a big reason why they are so reluctant to sack anyone, they don’t know who to appoint, what they are looking for or how to appoint anyone who isn’t out of work.
Lol please let him go whether he qualifies CL or not. Don't believe in his vision or the trajectory he'll put us on if we were to buy into it. Don't want to watch Fellainis, Matics, Lukakus and Willians play Jose ball while promising talents warm the bench and plot their exits
Every club hires managers that don't do well, they promptly sack them and move on. Woodward shouldn't be so harshly judged for this because it's normal at clubs.
Mourinho hiring made sense, but in hindsight hasn't worked out. Bayern hired Ancelotti, it didn't work out, but we don't see a witch hunt for their board. Our fans perpetuating this attack on the board further fuels the negativity around the club.
We need to let go of romanticism of "giving managers indefinite time" and conduct our business the way other clubs do. United fans seem to have weird notions that a manager needs to buy very specific players or they have to have a squad full of players they've signed, etc. That's not the case as we see worldwide on a daily basis managers come in and change a teams style without rehauling everything.
I wholeheartedly agree that we need a progressive manager and a good board structure, but I'm not blaming anyone but Jose for what has been happening on the pitch and his attitude stinks.
Mourinho hiring made sense, but in hindsight hasn't worked out. Bayern hired Ancelotti, it didn't work out, but we don't see a witch hunt for their board. Our fans perpetuating this attack on the board further fuels the negativity around the club.
We need to let go of romanticism of "giving managers indefinite time" and conduct our business the way other clubs do. United fans seem to have weird notions that a manager needs to buy very specific players or they have to have a squad full of players they've signed, etc. That's not the case as we see worldwide on a daily basis managers come in and change a teams style without rehauling everything.
I wholeheartedly agree that we need a progressive manager and a good board structure, but I'm not blaming anyone but Jose for what has been happening on the pitch and his attitude stinks.
Hire the DOF and tell him he needs to select candidates for the new manager. Takes the pressure off the board to think of replacements. Clearly it’s an issue for them at the minute.
I think 69% of us agree with you. We just need to find a way of making the board agree too. Too much blame is pointed at them at the minute and it seems to be putting them off doing the inevitable. Us fans really don’t care about long term stability. It’s just something that has been preached by old players and picked up by sheep. Sack him, pick a new manager with attacking ideas and keep it moving. If the new guy doesn’t work out. Guess what. Sack him too.
How will the board pick a DOF, though?
I’m honestly sick of reading posts about this elusive DOF who’s supposed to come in and save the day.
I'm sick of the thinking that this mystical DoF is the magical solution to all our travails. Let's look at this just a single level deeper. Let's assume we've appointed a DoF. Now, who would drive transfers and playing style? Manager? Or DoF? And who would get the sack if the team is failing on the pitch? Oh wait! The manager would sit with the DoF anyway and agree targets and he'd be the one carrying the can if things go t*ts-up. So, back to square one really.
Spurs were considered a joke in the market pre-Poch. Same for Liverpool pre-Klopp. Suddenly, we're envious of their "models"? You can find all manner of "chief scouts" and "DoF" or "Sporting Directors" but the fact is that clubs that succeed do so because of having good managers in charge and those that fail do so because of having poor managers in charge. The manager is ultimately critical and there's no hiding from this. Do you think a sensible DoF would have changed things that transpired this summer? Would we have been signing Boateng? Or Maguire? Is that even the solution? Or the cause for our inability to string three passes together when attacking? Would the DoF stop Mou from playing Matic every single game despite all we're seeing?
Oh and one more thing. You feel that the Board will struggle with appointing a good manager next...but are confident they'd be easily able to get the right DoF? Do stop to at least think about the logical next step / question.
I don't see it as a risk to just have Carrick as caretaker, the top four is a pipe dream if nothing changes. It's v unlikely even if something does. So what are we keeping him for, the CL? No chance we're winning that? How much worse could Carrick or nay caretaker do than the current run of results: W6 D3 L4?
The biggest price we are paying is the unseen one, where his character and attitude are affiliated with Manchester United. The Mourinho show has been a drab watch and it's time Woodward pulled the curtain on this one.
The trouble is they are hoping for another fergie a long term manager who can be successful regularly. I'm not adverse to giving a manager time providing there is an improvement in the play. Moyes was out of his depth and was on an hiding to nothing. Vg was given some time and shown no improvement at all. Mou has been given 2.5 years so far and is getting worse. I couldn't think of any club who would keep him on. Who we get in next should be a dof to give us direction on style of play and future signings as well as scouting the best manager we can get who fits the ideology
I was looking for the white text but then realised you might actually be serious!! If that is the level of our expectation than we have truly morphed into Arsenal...good grief!!
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He really has turned us into a laughing stock around Europe
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The headache loolHow will the board pick a DOF, though?
I like the effort but your preaching to the wrong poster. I couldn’t careless about a DOF. The solution for the DOF to me is so fans can stop meaning at Ed when transfers don’t work out. Plus something has to help these guys just sack him.
Those are strong words from someone with no ties or connection to the club. It must be that blatant what a mess we are
Yep we'd most likely get in someone with a good cv who fecks things up and has the wrong philosophy. Some people think it'll cure everything by bringing in a bloke to oversee the first team coach. But what if they fall out or he's scouting network isn't up to scratch. Too many variables and could well cause many more issues.
Surprisingly Rashford has fewer shots, if he attempting same of shots as Kane, he'd be on 95 goals if we're going by his rate.
Why am I here again? Want this nightmare to stop.
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Got a hunch he might be off quite soon.
Woodward can't ignore that even with a win, most fans are against him. Can only ignore the negativity so long.
Woodward can't ignore that even with a win, most fans are against him. Can only ignore the negativity so long.
Was thinking to myself last night in bed, Mourinho will never come out and say his philosophy is flawed and does not work at some clubs, because that will damage his credibility or reputation. He would rather be sacked than leave on his own terms.
He will never admit the limitations of his way, be it at Real Madrid or here. He knows if he comes out and says it was a mis-match, that his method is not on the same wavelenght as the clubs philosophy, that could effect both his future prospects and also effect the success of the club he will manage.
He will never admit the limitations of his way, be it at Real Madrid or here. He knows if he comes out and says it was a mis-match, that his method is not on the same wavelenght as the clubs philosophy, that could effect both his future prospects and also effect the success of the club he will manage.
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Goalkeeper Passing Stats:
Ederson - 226 Short Balls, 102 Long Balls
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 246 Short Balls, 129 Long Balls
Bernd Leno - 100 Short Balls, 64 Long Balls
Alisson - 209 Short Balls, 139 Long Balls
Petr Cech - 120 Short Balls, 104 Long Balls
Hugo Lloris - 139 Short Balls, 163 Long Balls
David De Gea - 83 Short Balls, 242 Long Balls
Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
Ederson - 31%
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 34%
Bernd Leno - 39%
Alisson - 40%
Petr Cech - 46%
Hugo Lloris - 54%
David De Gea - 74%
Goalkeeper Passing Stats:
Ederson - 226 Short Balls, 102 Long Balls
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 246 Short Balls, 129 Long Balls
Bernd Leno - 100 Short Balls, 64 Long Balls
Alisson - 209 Short Balls, 139 Long Balls
Petr Cech - 120 Short Balls, 104 Long Balls
Hugo Lloris - 139 Short Balls, 163 Long Balls
David De Gea - 83 Short Balls, 242 Long Balls
Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
Ederson - 31%
Kepa Arrizabalaga - 34%
Bernd Leno - 39%
Alisson - 40%
Petr Cech - 46%
Hugo Lloris - 54%
David De Gea - 74%
What agenda would he have?
If I was a neutral, there's no way I would watch us. We are ugly.
Tears.
Really? you're happy to endure entirely useless, boring tactics with no intent for the rest of the season IF we are still in the UCL?
Surely actually fighting for our own league first would be more important? We are not desperate for the extra coin, essentially for trying to lure players to help stroke his ego so this egotist must leave asap to let us try and repair the self inflicted damage we have brought upon ourselves. He simply has to go NOW.
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No surprises. The tactics are archaic and redundant in this time. And the stats simply confirm what we see on the pitch
Mata has the same amount of shots as Rashford this season in the PL (8 shots). The biggest issue with Rashford imo is that he doesn't shoot enough.
Percentage of Passes Are Long Balls:
- Manchester City - 31%
- Chelsea - 34%
- Liverpool - 40%
- Arsenal - 43%
- Tottenham - 50%
- Bournemouth - 63%
- Leicester - 64%
- Everton - 70%
- Newcastle United - 72%
- Fulham - 73%
- Manchester United - 74%
- Huddersfield - 77%
- Southampton - 80%
- Wolverhampton Wanderers - 81%
- West Ham - 82%
- Crystal Palace - 83%
- Burnley - 90%
- Brighton - 90%
- Watford - 90%
- Cardiff - 97%
Not that surprising unfortunately. The surprise to me is Wolves being below us. I thought they played better football than that.
*fingers in ears* Blah, blah, blah, the media just has an agenda, blah, blah, blah, we actually play like Brazil they just don't like us or Mourinho, blah, blah, blah
Fecking Stoke City Bitch.
Officially the glorified Stoke
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