The Mourinho Thread: Should he stay or go? | Sacked

[Wednesday at Stoke]

I'm actually beginning to wonder if he is plotting with Perez at Real to get himself sacked so Madrid get him on the cheap.

I know it sounds almost as paranoid as Jose's ramblings about the press, but I can't shake the impression he is actively goading the club to sack him.

If only we could find evidence of such collusion and then we could sack him with no payout and report it to FIFA so he gets a lengthy ban!

He could resign and go take that job. I don't think Woodward would make him fullfil that contact over a barrel.

 

[Red Dreams]

There's nothing called "co-managers". One of them will be manager and the other an assistant. I'll favor McKenna to be the caretaker as he worked as a manager for the youth team at least.

That will be a big move forward.

We will get back to our roots.

This club was built around players from UK and Ireland.
Even that great Treble winning side had a core of local players.

 

[Skills]

He could resign and go take that job. I don't think Woodward would make him fullfil that contact over a barrel.

He wants the pay-off. One of the reasons he refused to take our job mid-season, he was holding out for the payout from Chelsea.

 

[Seven Seas Sardines]

Who's flying the banner for the Arsenal game? "Jo$e & Woody - Specialists in Failure"

 

[el3mel]

That will be a big move forward.

We will get back to our roots.

This club was built around players from UK and Ireland.
Even that great Treble winning side had a core of local players.

TBF I'll favor going the long road and building something for the future with a young core far more than filling the team with prima donnes and mercenaries.

Mourinho, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku should all feck off for me.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

TBF I'll favor going the long road and building something for the future with a young core far more than filling the team with prima donnes and mercenaries.

Mourinho, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku should all feck off for me.

We absolutely have to get away from this model of buying expensive big name players. It's just not worked.

Should start bringing in young guys with potential.

 

[Red Dreams]

TBF I'll favor going the long road and building something for the future with a young core far more than filling the team with prima donnes and mercenaries.

Mourinho, Pogba, Sanchez and Lukaku should all feck off for me.

I agree.
One problem.

the cnuts who own us want top dollar.

That is why they want to sell us to the Saudi cnuts.

 

[Skills]

We absolutely have to get away from this model of buying expensive big name players. It's just not worked.

Should start bringing in young guys with potential.

We tried that as well. Struck gold in Martial, and have completed wasted him for the last 2 years.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

We tried that as well. Struck gold in Martial, and have completed wasted him for the last 2 years.

We wasted him by spending stupid money on crap big name players though.

If we make a sustained effort for more Martial type signings I'm convinced we'll be much better off.

We also desperately need an attacking manager, whoever the next guy is he has to be someone who has his teams playing exciting football. We cannot have another negative defensive manager.

The rumours a few months ago of us getting Conte were terrifying.

 

[Shiva87]

We've gone full Moyes folks.

We've been that for a while now! Nothing new.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Reminds me of the last time I played soccer for my school team a bit: I wasn’t favored by a new coach and was brought on in a weird position with 5 minutes to play, and tbh I wasn’t arsed and didn’t challenge properly for a header in the box and we conceded another. This was years ago btw.
Basically, the players aren’t arsed cos the tactics are shite, he throws everyone under the bus and he plays or doesn’t play lads in weird positions.
The first Southampton goal...we had about 40 players around the ball and no one could make a proper tackle.

 

[AlecHDR]

I mean, it's obviously a matter of when rather than if. So when do we think? As much as I want him gone, I think Jan might be a more appropriate time to bring a new manager in. A rough busy period would be incredibly difficult for a new manager to come in and be instantly under fire from. Unless Carrick is caretaker and rides it out.
I expect us to painfully drag it on in true United style though.

When top 4 is no longer mathematically possible and we are out of the CL. If the current point per game rate holds for us (22/14=1.5714) and all the top four (a minimum of 28/13=2.1538 for Chelsea), then it will be mathematically impossible to make the top 4 by the end of week 32 which is on March 30th. We would've also played the second leg of the last 16 game in the CL by then and most likely been eliminated which would guarantee that we won't qualify to the CL next year.

It will be one hell of a ride between now and March 30th!

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

When top 4 is no longer mathematically possible and we are out of the CL. If the current point per game rate holds for us (22/14=1.5714) and all the top four (a minimum of 28/13=2.1538 for Chelsea), then it will be mathematically impossible to make the top 4 by the end of week 32 which is on March 30th. We would've also played the second leg of the last 16 game in the CL by then and most likely been eliminated which would guarantee that we won't qualify to the CL next year.

It will be one hell of a ride between now and March 30th!

A ride continuously downwards into a pile of shite.

 

[WPMUFC]

I despised LVG and we sacked the poor fool 2 minutes after lifting a FA Cup with a leak to the press about Jose. The club doesn't mind throwing managers under the bus.

How can Jose set benchmarks of Top 4 by Xmas and survive after taking 2 pts in 6 against relegation bound clubs?

He set that target. Just pay him out and give it to McKenna and Carrick.

 

[Bojan11]

The sad reality is that Mark Hughes is more likely to be sacked on the back of that result because our board is full of spineless people.

 

[Trizy]

As much as I want him gone I was leaning towards him finishing the season because appointing a manager mid-season could be a shit storm.

However, we should take Jardim straight away. Give him til the season ends to see improvements.

 

[Cheesy]

I despised LVG and we sacked the poor fool 2 minutes after lifting a FA Cup with a leak to the press about Jose. The club doesn't mind throwing managers under the bus.

How can Jose set benchmarks of Top 4 by Xmas and survive after taking 2 pts in 6 against relegation bound clubs?

He set that target. Just pay him out and give it to McKenna and Carrick.

It's because when we sack our managers we wait until the absolute last moment when we've determined they're definitely, absolutely going to fail, out of some silly notion that we've done the noble thing by giving them time, instead of acting when it was initially clear things weren't going to work out and salvaging what was left of our season while we could. Moyes should've been gone by February (being kind), and LVG should've been out after that disastrous spell at Christmas. By then it was clear neither man would work out, and yet we waited till they both killed off any remote hopes of success or CL football until we pulled the trigger. Same story with Mourinho this season, even though most people rightfully called it after the Spurs defeat.

 

[nimic]

I am surprised that the 'yes' votes have not reached 100%. Looks like we still have some 'In Jose we trust' guys left on the cafe.

I suspect many simply haven't been back in this thread for a while to change it. It's not like you're polled after every match, so it's not really a live poll.

 

[Cheesy]

As much as I want him gone I was leaning towards him finishing the season because appointing a manager mid-season could be a shit storm.

However, we should take Jardim straight away. Give him til the season ends to see improvements.

It might not be convenient but I'm not sure things can get any grimmer than they are currently. Plenty of top clubs have sacked managers halfway through a season and either not gotten any worse or even improved. Real Madrid won a CL off the back of it in 2016! And Chelsea too in 2012...even if said triumph the most bizarre CL win in decades.

 

[haram]

@haram @cheeky_backheel you guys still want him to have more money.

It doesn’t matter who the manager is, you can look at the team and see that we rely on Young for width and can conclude it’s a disgrace.

 

[Giggsyking]

I suspect many simply haven't been back in this thread for a while to change it. It's not like you're polled after every match, so it's not really a live poll.

then I suggest we make a new poll, its annoying to see the (No)s.

 

[WPMUFC]

It's because when we sack our managers we wait until the absolute last moment when we've determined they're definitely, absolutely going to fail, out of some silly notion that we've done the noble thing by giving them time, instead of acting when it was initially clear things weren't going to work out and salvaging what was left of our season while we could. Moyes should've been gone by February (being kind), and LVG should've been out after that disastrous spell at Christmas. By then it was clear neither man would work out, and yet we waited till they both killed off any remote hopes of success or CL football until we pulled the trigger. Same story with Mourinho this season, even though most people rightfully called it after the Spurs defeat.

Agree. I just think if you're willing to embarrass a manager by sacking him whilst holding a trophy, you can certainly sack a manager that doesn't meet his own benchmarks laid out in a press conference. I agree with you that this top 4 BS is the reason why he won't go now. I'm just saying the club should be willing to and now has valid reasons to do it. Woodward can easily leak that Jose failed his own benchmark and thus we are parting ways.

 

[Giggsyking]

Jose, the special one, took over Man utd 5th place (only goal diff from cite the 4th). Three years later and after ½ a billion spent, we are 7th-8th. What a clown.

 

[Random Task]

It doesn’t matter who the manager is, you can look at the team and see that we rely on Young for width and can conclude it’s a disgrace.

Jose is well into his third season in charge. During that time he has had 5 transfer windows and a huge transfer kitty (£400 million) with which to redesign the team. He failed.

Surely you would agree that his time is up.

 

[Cheesy]

Jose is well into his third season in charge. During that time he has had 5 transfer windows and a huge transfer kitty (£400 million) with which to redesign the team. He failed.

Surely you would agree that his time is up.

Absurd the money argument still gets trotted out. It's been discussed heavily but we spend a ton more now than what we did during the latter years of Fergie's reign.

 

[yfoFC]

It doesn’t matter who the manager is, you can look at the team and see that we rely on Young for width and can conclude it’s a disgrace.

Because the manager keeps picking him... It all boils down to the manager whether you like it or not

 

[haram]

Because the manager keeps picking him... It all boils down to the manager whether you like it or not

We have no other options for width anyway. Unless people want Valencia on the wing or something?

Jose is well into his third season in charge. During that time he has had 5 transfer windows and a huge transfer kitty (£400 million) with which to redesign the team. He failed.

Surely you would agree that his time is up.

In regards to Mourinho I already said if the results are not there he has to go but when he tried to add width to this team the players were not signed. Im not going into this again but its painful to see. A lot of people think we can just get away with playing forwards and number 10s in wide areas and time and time again the lack of width gets exposed.

 

[Lam]

Top 4 is no longer realistic. Better sack and build for next season and put everything in the CL basket (lol).

 

[Theonas]

Jose is well into his third season in charge. During that time he has had 5 transfer windows and a huge transfer kitty (£400 million) with which to redesign the team. He failed.

Surely you would agree that his time is up.

It's not even about that. The strange thing with the argument that he doesn't enough quality in position X or whatever is that it is only relevant if it counters a claim that this a great squad that should win the league. The argument against Mourinho is very different though, it's that he should play better football and be in the mix for the top 4. A monkey could be on the wing for us and we'd still be right to expect that. It's really becoming surreal that there are people justifying this level of football and results on the basis of not having enough quality players.

 

[Adnan]

Alot of our players are not enjoying playing football under Mourinho and it's showing on the pitch imo. He was a fantastic coach but hasn't been able to replicate his past glory here. It's time the Glazers give permission to Ed to hand him his pay out so he can rejoin his good friend Florentino at Real Madrid.

 

[VP89]

Alot of our players are not enjoying playing football under Mourinho and it's showing on the pitch imo. He was a fantastic coach but hasn't been able to replicate his past glory here. It's time the Glazers give permission to Ed to hand him his pay out so he can rejoin his good friend Florentino at Real Madrid.

I agree. Hes now drifted too far. There are managers available who can't do much worse.

 

[WPMUFC]

Alot of our players are not enjoying playing football under Mourinho and it's showing on the pitch imo. He was a fantastic coach but hasn't been able to replicate his past glory here. It's time the Glazers give permission to Ed to hand him his pay out so he can rejoin his good friend Florentino at Real Madrid.

He set a top 4 benchmark in his own press conference. Who cares if we have to pay him more to leave, he can't even meet his own lackluster standards. How is that not good enough to sack him?

 

[VP89]

Jardim would not come in to United on a short term contract, if we went for him it would be a full bells and whistles one.

I dont think so.

He's not getting an offer for a bigger club this season, and is our of work. He'd snap up the chance for a temp job at United with a potential for a longterm deal. Better than being unemployed and not getting offers from a club of a similar stature.

 

[Sb_16]

I admire people's persistence to argue, even when the other side is beyond logic or common sense. Even 'not yet' is running out of rationale never mind the 'no'.

 

[WPMUFC]

Jose 2015-16 when he got the sack and threatening relegation at Xmas = 15 pts in 16 games

Jose 2018/19 22pts in 14 games and we still have a huge rival game in 4 days with the likely outcome being 22pts in 15 games.

Just sack him.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

It's sad that he still has his job. We'll have to endure the rest of the season while we meander long the 5th-7th positions oscillating between rubbish and decent. It's going to be a blast. We'll best arsenal and there'll be positivity. Then we'll have another 2 shit results. Rinse and repeat.

 

[Vinnie Peetang]

So Pep has spent close to a billion and you expect us to play like City? Wake up, people! Money buys trophies!

 

[Sb_16]

I like the other option of letting him complete the season and at the last home game, when he makes the speech, the crowd, at their loudest, boo the shit out of him for the length of that speech. Banners of how shit he is on display and a plane with the longest possible word tagged along swearing flying above. (In my happy place, my happy place.)

He's is consciously destroying us. By the time this is over, it may take considerable time to recover our image. Why can't the decision makers see this, I don't know. I'm completely and utterly at odds with this.

 

[WPMUFC]

"It doesn't matter the system we play," Mourinho said. "(Not winning) has to do with the characteristics of the players.

"With all due respect, we don't have many mad dogs that bite the ball and press all the time. We don't have many people with that spirit."

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46326038

they are literally all the same players you had last year minus 1 or 2. So last year we finished 2nd, scored 68 and conceded 28. This year we've already conceded 23 and are projected to score 59 and concede 62.

You are a fool Jose.

 

[AlecHDR]

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46326038

they are literally all the same players you had last year minus 1 or 2. So last year we finished 2nd, scored 68 and conceded 28. This year we've already conceded 23 and are projected to score 59 and concede 62.

You are a fool Jose.

De Gea
Dalot - Lindelof - Bailly - Shaw
Matic
Pogba - Fred
Rashford - Lukaku - Sanchez​

Here is a team with 8/10 outfield players signed by him. Do they not have that spirit? Did he buy the wrong players?