[tentan]

Folks wanted Pogba sold

Still has to do it against big teams and in the champions league.

 

[Isotope]

Maybe it is just me since I stopped paying attention to details for along time, I thought the way the team celebrated goals were a bit different than what I usually saw.

Looked like they were all relaxed, having fun and had sense of a bit unity.

And I love the scene when the crowd singing "Ole..Ole..Ole..", then Ole coming out and gave a little wave to acknowledge them. The watching fans, manager, the staffs, and players expressing themselves on the pitch; they're all United. That good feeling had been missing for years.

 

[chb23]

Maybe it is just me since I stopped paying attention to details for along time, I thought the way the team celebrated goals were a bit different than what I usually saw.

Looked like they were all relaxed, having fun and had sense of a bit unity.

I did notice that for the last game too that they all huddled after a goal. Almost like a pep talk to each other

 

[Sereques]

Happy with the win but would be nice to see us keep a clean sheet in the next few games - not happened since the goalless draw vs Palace over a month ago.

I thought you guys said the United way is attack, attack, attack. They score 4, we score 5.

I'm confused though.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Still has to do it against big teams and in the champions league.

Yeh like he did for Juventus and France in WC and Euro.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Ole's tactics are a bit weird.

I'm just rewatching the full 90, and I my initial impression is being confirmed.

We played a lop-sided 4-2-3-1

---------------------De Gea
Dalot---Lindelof---Jones---Shaw
--------------Fred
----------------------------Matic
---------------------------------------------------
-----------------------------------Pogba
-------Mata--------/------------Lingard
------------------Rashford

Fred is deeper than Matic. Pogba is almost inline with Lingard and Mata, but very much on the left.

Eh?

I think it's a simple high line 4-2-3-1 formation with the front 4 everywhere interchange their positions freely.

Captain

Dalot -- Lindelof -- Jones -- Shaw

Fred -- Matic

Mata --- Pogba --- Lingard
Rashford​

*Having a partner, Matic is free to join the attack, playing like B2B, both of them did. Seen Matic drop back that deep to start attacks.

*It's more like Mata, Pogba, Rashford and Lingard moving anywhere according to their free mind and preferences.
Pogba as we know love to drift to the left wing to provide the left width, less often when Martial is playing.
I remember seeing Pogba drift to the right wing as well in this game. Even Mata to the far left wing.

All of 'em attack left, right and centre.

 

[SadlerMUFC]

Was Dalot's sub tactical or was he injured???

 

[haram]

Missed the game so I am finally going to watch a replay. Nice to win again but are we really going to concede every game... really isn’t fair on de Gea.

 

[cyril C]

most important thing is that we won playing attacking soccer.

However, our defence was very opened and the game could have been rather even if Huddersfield had taken their chances.

Fred played poorly. I do not think he should be starting the next game.

Martial would have added to the fluidity of the game.

Pogba is class.

Keep it up guys!

I won't say that. DO you think Pogba can play 4 games in 10 days? Rotation and rest is necessary, that applies to Matic and Herrera as well. Once we pass the Crazy Jan period then perhaps Fred should be confined to Cup games and bit part, until next season.

 

[Robbo's Shoulder]

Forgot to mention that we really need to work on our fitness levels.

Need a full pre season to get that sort of stamina work in though, very hard to do mid season when games are coming thick and fast. Still, a massive improvement on what's gone on before Ole and Mick came in.

 

[Robbo's Shoulder]

How did we play?

Not as cohesive and dynamic as against Cardiff and there were periods when we were under pressure at the back but still a big improvement on earlier performances.

 

[Bobcat]

Good game, but Huddersfield had some really dangerous counters and found themselves in a lot of dangerous positions, partly due to individual errors and partly due to the players not being used to playing with such a high line. I am glad we are looking dangerous again, but we really need to sort out our defense

 

[GJNJ]

I'm confused with alot of the comment's concerned about teams having chances. The only way to counter that is to play more defensively and we don't want that do we?

We will probably play a bit more conservative against better opposition. Matic will stay in front of the central defenders and both the full backs probably won't play so high as a starting position and a 2nd midfielder will drop back and cover when the do, but we don't need to setup against Huddersfield in the same way. We still need to have attacking intent even against the better sides and take risks otherwise we will just get picked off like we have done again Liverpool and City.

It's still a work in progress and it's not likely that we will be playing the perfect game with positional and individual errors as they get used to what they are supposed to do. The goals that the Cardiff scored was a marginal penalty call and Huddersfield Pogba let's the player get in front of him for the first header and then they react first. Even Huddersfield's other chances were mainly from set pieces so it's not as though we are just getting carved open everytime they attacked.

At least we are creating more chances and could have scored more goals in both games. The movement is so much better off the ball in attacking but if you give people freedom your going to leave spaces. As long as we are creating chances I can live with that.

 

[Craig Ward]

Another positive display.

There are things to pick up but this is Ole's 2nd game and all the signs are heading in the right direction.

Shaky at the back, couple of weaker performances (Lingard/Fred in particular but Lingard will always be great or poor and Fred needs a run of games).

Ole isn't a defensive coach so the defence may remain cagey on times, its the passing forward/press & attack that we need to maintain.

Great to see some energy in our displays.

We did look to miss Martial, Mata is a great technical player but he doesn't have that pace.

Hoping Dalot/Fred & Periera start to see more game time, with little appearances from the likes of Gomes/Greenwood where we are coasting.

 

[Archanios]

Three points definitivly the most important yesterday. Would have liked to see the team keep the clean sheet as well, but seeing how we've been doing in that department this season, it didn't really come as much of a suprise when we conceded.

We keep scoring goals though, and that is what's most important, along with the willingness to keep going after more goals. Was really good to see Pogba getting a couple yesterday, and the 2-0 goal is just such a well worked team effort.

This game was in no way perfect and it could have turned sour if Huddersfield had taken their big, early chance. Luckily they didn't and Ole can still build on the positive momentum. No doubt that he came in at an opportune moment, and seeing that the next couple of games are also against teams that we should be able to beat, he could have the perfect start. If we do get four league wins and get past Reading in the cup, then they have an entire week to work in training before playing Spurs. Then we will see what sort of potential this team has, I think.

 

[EwanI Ted]

Forgot to mention that we really need to work on our fitness levels.

True, but you can’t go from one of the teams that runs the least to one of those that runs the most overnight, and certainly not midseason. Might not see a major improvement til next season.

 

[onemanarmy]

Just out of curiosity, what was Pogba pointing at for his 2nd?

Wasn't it at the crowd who were shouting "Shoot"? That was my impression.

Was Dalot's sub tactical or was he injured???

He was already on a yellow card, came close to a second. Think Ole didn't want to take the risk with him. He wasn't that great too I think.

 

[Fracture90]

Need a full pre season to get that sort of stamina work in though, very hard to do mid season when games are coming thick and fast. Still, a massive improvement on what's gone on before Ole and Mick came in.

True, but you can’t go from one of the teams that runs the least to one of those that runs the most overnight, and certainly not midseason. Might not see a major improvement til next season.

Yes of course, it's rather impossible to improve that part of the game at the moment when game schedule is packed, though we can work a bit on it gradually after the holidays madness.

 

[WR10]

Perfect subs again. Those 2 subs were directly involved in the second goal that killed the game for us

 

[RedStarUnited]

We are looking like Liverpool before VVD and Allison. We will give up chances but rest assured we will also create a lot ourselves.

 

[Feed Me]

We are looking like Liverpool before VVD and Allison. We will give up chances but rest assured we will also create a lot ourselves.

I think this is a very good parallel. We will have half a season of two steps forward, one step back. No issue with that so long as the progress in terms of team harmony and playing style is obvious.

We really are not that far off being a side that can challenge in terms of squad composition - it's basically the entire back line that needs looking at. I don't think we convince at centre half or either of the full back areas. Our midfield and attacking options are more than good enough to be mounting a title challenge.

 

[Bestietom]

A good positive display, but we certainly need to tighten up at the back. Hope we can bring someone in next week.

 

[VivaJesperBlomqvist]

Commanding and composed performance full of attacking intent. I was never nervous at any point in the game from the first minute onwards, and that hasn’t been the case for a very long time. I always felt secure that we would win and the goals would come, just like in the SAF era. Yeah, it wasn’t scintillating or anything like that, but progress is definitely being made and this team will only start to gel more and more now that the toxic one and his shackles have done one. I think the slight shakiness is expected from the players given the amount of mental anguish playing under Jose’s leadership must have had (honestly) - the connection between sporting performance and psychological state is well documented. Imagine always feeling like you are going to be criticised everytime you make a mistake or express yourself, combined with the manager not allowing you to enjoy your football game after game. That kind of conditioning will take some time to fully break down, but Ole is doing a fantastic job just on the mental and cultural side alone in this past two games. Ole’s tactical nous will start to be tested properly in the coming weeks, but the most important things from a sporting philosophy and cultural standpoint are moving rapidly in the right direction.

Just a mention of Rashford - he is really impressing me with his approach lately. He reminds me of Ronaldo sometimes, just the little things he does. Once that boy’s confidence grows I am certain we will see a special player. Never had that feeling with Welbeck.

 

[Canagel]

We wanted attacking football and we're getting it. A bit more open at the back but I don't mind. The objective of the game is to create more chances and score more goals than the opponent. I'd take exciting 3-1 or 3-2 scorelines every game. we didn't create as much as we did against Cardiff but we didn't have the players to finish them off as the manager said.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I started reading the match report in The Telegraph and about 25% into it, when I realised that the idiot 'chief sportswriter' was ripping into Pogba without mercy, I gave up.

It was the most magnificent occasion, which I was privileged enough to witness and Pogba was our star performer, according to this idiot, he wasn't the best player.

How do these people manage to make a living out of writing pure bile?

 

[VivaJesperBlomqvist]

I honestly think that Pogba being a successful black player with confidence and a touch of arrogance unconsciously drives a lot of the resentment towards him... I honestly do.

 

[reddevil80]

I started reading the match report in The Telegraph and about 25% into it, when I realised that the idiot 'chief sportswriter' was ripping into Pogba without mercy, I gave up.

It was the most magnificent occasion, which I was privileged enough to witness and Pogba was our star performer, according to this idiot, he wasn't the best player.

How do these people manage to make a living out of writing pure bile?

People like this have agendas that go against anyone with potential. They are only trying to justify their paycheck by inflaming opposition fans hatred towards us and our star players. They are obviously worried with the progression that is already being shown at Old Trafford that a return to utd's old ways of you score 4 then we're going for 5.

They are just petty and so self involved that they will write jealous remarks in the hope we will all turn on Pogba and Ole and start the infighting again. We know this won't happen as we are enjoying our football again and, as long as this forward motion keeps occurring, who cares?

 

[trevor newnham]

Yeh like he did for Juventus and France in WC and Euro.

good point, well made

 

[Cockney Phil]

I started reading the match report in The Telegraph and about 25% into it, when I realised that the idiot 'chief sportswriter' was ripping into Pogba without mercy, I gave up.

It was the most magnificent occasion, which I was privileged enough to witness and Pogba was our star performer, according to this idiot, he wasn't the best player.

How do these people manage to make a living out of writing pure bile?

Not a Tory-graph reader myself but what I read seemed within the bounds of a ‘daily’ reporter. There has been criticism of Pogba and he was crafting his piece around that back story. They usually set themselves up for the next story, in this case the first step to eventually lauding Pogba as the ‘I told you he was a great player’ piece. Back in the day, before apps the Tory-graph was a good newspaper for soaking up chip bag fat.

 

[RedDevil@84]

I started reading the match report in The Telegraph and about 25% into it, when I realised that the idiot 'chief sportswriter' was ripping into Pogba without mercy, I gave up.

It was the most magnificent occasion, which I was privileged enough to witness and Pogba was our star performer, according to this idiot, he wasn't the best player.

How do these people manage to make a living out of writing pure bile?

Praising Pogba for being good yesterday would be too mainstream. Everyone would be doing it. You need to stand apart in your job to be noticed.

Edit: And I hope you were not searching for fairness from the journos. They have none

 

[sunama]

3 things:

1. Huddersfield are much better than Cardiff.

2. We really missed Martial.

3. This game is too easy for Pogba, I think he needs to find himself a new challenge.

Pogba isn't quite as good as you make out. If he was, where was he in important matches last year, when he wasn't sulking?
And Cardiff are higher in the league table...which does not lie. Cardiff are a better team than Huddersfield.

 

[Escape Goat]

I honestly think that Pogba being a successful black player with confidence and a touch of arrogance unconsciously drives a lot of the resentment towards him... I honestly do.

Lewis Hamilton syndrome? Could be.

I'm more inclined to think it's simply that his and Lingard's social media japery doesn't go down well with us over-35s, who were brought up on the likes of Keane, Robson, Pallister, Bruce, Cantona, Schmeichal, Psycho (Forest POV) etc. and treat the twitters etc. with suspicion; nothing to do with race.

At least I hope that's all it is.

 

[sunama]

Why are people complaining about jones? He hasn’t put a foot wrong these past 2 games.

You are right. But that's because we have played relegation fodder.
The moment we play a good team, who try to attack us, he'll either provide an assist or will score an own goal.
The game against Valencia was my last straw (re: Jones). He basically handed the game to them, by playing a hand in both their goals. Had he not been on the pitch we may have won that match 1-0 and finished top of our group.

Jones has mistake in him every single match. The question is, can our opponent take advantage of his error.

 

[haram]

I honestly think that Pogba being a successful black player with confidence and a touch of arrogance unconsciously drives a lot of the resentment towards him... I honestly do.

From some people, yeah.

 

[tenpoless]

I honestly think that Pogba being a successful black player with confidence and a touch of arrogance unconsciously drives a lot of the resentment towards him... I honestly do.

He can be a platypus for all I care, a professional football player should be judged by his performances and commitment just like any other professionals. Skin color is irrelevant.

 

[ChaddyP]

Pogba isn't quite as good as you make out. If he was, where was he in important matches last year, when he wasn't sulking?
And Cardiff are higher in the league table...which does not lie. Cardiff are a better team than Huddersfield.

Maybe over the course of the season so far but on the day I think Huddersfield were much better than Cardiff when we played them

 

[MacabbiUnited]

I honestly think that Pogba being a successful black player with confidence and a touch of arrogance unconsciously drives a lot of the resentment towards him... I honestly do.

why do people have to pull the race card on every black player that is critisiced.
He is criticised because he was bad this season, and was unconsistent last season. he is not "successful", he has tons of potential and with the right manger he will be a world beater. Jose wasnt the right one

 

[Paul the Wolf]

Just watched the match finally.

Started slower than against Cardiff and particularly in the second half.

Lack of firepower upfront noticeable, Lingard went invisible again. Fred gave the ball away too much but overall a decent performance from the team with Pogba head and shoulders above everyone.
Annoying to give the goal away , we seemed to lack energy towards the end. DDG with one great save.

What is so refreshing to see is the full backs pushing up and players seeming to enjoy playing and looking to go forward.

 

[Posh Red]

why do people have to pull the race card on every black player that is critisiced.
He is criticised because he was bad this season, and was unconsistent last season. he is not "successful", he has tons of potential and with the right manger he will be a world beater. Jose wasnt the right one

Are you mad? A world cup and several league titles and he's not successful? How can you expect people to take you seriously and not consider you bias when you come out with complete rubbish like that? And then you ask why people try to come up with other theories as to why people seem to be overly critical of the player. It's because people are literally making stuff up about him at every possible opportunity.

 

[Dike_Manc]

When we bought him before the season started a guy on this forum wrote up a scout report on him and stated very clearly that he'd be behind Herrera in the pecking order and that he'd be a squad player, at best. A lot of people got very aggressive when they heard this and could not understand how we could spend £50M on a squad player who was worse that Herrera.

Well that explains it. Either way, 50 million is a lot for a back up player.