De Gea vs Van Der Sar vs Schmeichel

[meninred]

I remember Alex Stepney being interviewed about the best goalkeepers of Manutd some years back ( before Degea). He ranked Schmeichael as top and Vandersar a close second.
It was nice to hear from a goalkeeper of a different era evaluating them. He believed that these are better goalkeepers than his days. ( considering he is in Gordon banks and Lev yashin era)
They should interview him again now.

 

[MrSingh2002]

Wait what? You have Schmeichel third!?!? I guess it's all subjective, but I have VDS third and I'm split between Schmeichel being a force of nature, the best ever on one on ones and amazing distribution, and DDG's unbelievable shot-stopping reactions.

People forget how agile Schmikes was, eg that Gordon Banks save where he dived down and flicked a header over the bar from the groung in a UCL match.

Sad a lot of presumably young 'uns will never know how good and influential he was. I share the love of DDG though.

I saw Schmeichals career and that save I believe was against Rapid Vienna. However he was a very unorthodox man mountain. It can be argued he's the best of the 3. For me however I would chose the incredible shotstopper or a keeper with perfect distribution every time which was VDS.

 

[MrSingh2002]

I saw Schmeichals career and that save I believe was against Rapid Vienna. However he was very unorthodox man mountain. It can be argued he's the best of the 3. For me however I would chose the incredible shotstopper or a keeper with perfect distribution every time which was VDS.

Put De Gea in the 99 Utd team or the Ronaldo Tevez Rooney team and he would've won many trophies too.

 

[royboy16]

We've been blessed with Goal keepers at Utd having those 3.Not an easy decision but Schmeichel is still the best GK I have seen at Utd.

 

[BeforeKeanetherewasRobson]

Every shot was straight at De Gea today, it helps.

Ok, he can't spell goalie but he is a pro goalkeeper so probably has some idea about De Gea's performance. (Was he replying directly to you )

"I see a lot of people saying all De Gea saves were straight at him, please factor in that the guy has some mad sense to know where to be at just the right time, you can’t teach that. Proper goally

Ben Foster

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19:02 - 13 Jan 2019

 

[davidmichael]

Voted for Schmeichel as I personally believe him to be the greatest goalkeeper of all time, what he achieved with United and also Denmark was remarkable and he was a HUGE part of the success of both.

I’d have a De Gea as definite number two and if he signs a long term contract he may well surpass Schmeichel, I’d say De Gea is definitely the best shop stopper I’ve ever seen and has been the best in the world for 3 or 4 years now, at 28 could have another ten years at the top.

 

[bosnian_red]

De Gea is the best of the lot IMO. The most consistent of all of them overall, pulls off the most insane saves on a regular basis, this season will equal the amount of time Schmeichel was here (8 seasons for both, VDS with 6). Only thing hurting him is it has come in our least successful period in the league with Sir Alex retiring sadly. But he's still won a decent amount despite that, and hopefully will win more in the coming years.

 

[jeff_goldblum]

De Gea is the best shot-stopper I've ever seen, but he doesn't have the talent for organisation or distribution of either Big Pete or VDS.

 

[Fiskey]

For me, Schmeichel is the best. De Gea if I had to get someone to save a shot for my life though.

 

[Mick321]

VDS is my favourite. Pete was just like an insane monster in the goal, De Gea is the best to watch and VDS was just total calm and class. Hard to choose.

 

[HackeyC]

For me, Schmeichel is the best. De Gea if I had to get someone to save a shot for my life though.

Unless it's a penalty . I find it hard to pick between De Gea and Schmeicel but if Dave was able to marshall the defence more firmly I would say him for certain.

 

[mancan92]

If you wanted someone in your goal backs against the wall you would pick de gea everyday of the week.

The best shot stopper of all time.

 

[Josep Dowling]

I love or Loved Van Der Sar. He has the record for the longest time without conceding in European football history I think back in 08/09 which doesn't get enough respect in my view. He was a major part of us being one of the / the best team in Europe from 2006 to 2011.

Granted he had a top defense behind him, but I love the fact that when he was called upon after not doing anything for 20 to 30 minutes he was always cool and calm and that is the sign of a top top keeper.

Was playing to the ripe old age of 40 as well.

Granted De Gea is the best shot stopper I have ever seen though.

I agree VDS is massively underrated. Nothing was ever dramatic with him, he just seemed to find everything easy. Having said that the record you refer to was down to both him and the defence, something De Gea certainly hasn’t had!

 

[lysglimt]

Yes of course .

The ones I can remember without checking :

Can't remember the season but he had a horrible one against Wednesday when he let in a simple shot from 25 yards out - and then shouted at Pallister and Bruce for not blocking the shot.

92/93 Man United - Everton 0-3 came out of his box 30 yards from goal to control a ball and was robbed by Mo Johnstone I think

92/93 United - Aston Villa kicked it straight to Atkinson - but made up for it by saving 1 on 1

92/93 Ipswich - United 2-1 He comes outside his area to clear the ball and missed it - Kiwomya with an open goal.
He did the same against Barnsley in the FA cup 3-4 years later.

93/94 City - United 2-3 First he should have saved Quinns header - and then he comes for McMahons cross, Quinn beats him to it and heads it into an open goal

Blackburn - United 2-4 - both goals should have been avoided. The first he came all the way out to the area to clear a freekick, punched it straight to Warhurst who sent it into the empty goal. The second goal was a header from Hendry which he should have kept out. Not a howler - but not good goalkeeping.

Don't get me wrong - I rate Schmeichel extremely high, and he usually saved us 10 times each season, but he made a lot of mistakes that DDG never does. That is why I rate DDG higher now.​

 

[lysglimt]

Like my other post said, I gave him MOTM, love the guy.
Best keeper in the world IMO.

Foster saying that doesn’t effect this thread. He hasn’t compared him to Schmeichel.

The shots were well placed for him, come on, be honest.

The Harry Kane one was well placed for him ? The one where he almost did the split to block the ball ? Or the Alderweireld one ? A goalkeepers position on a corner kick is usually pretty far away from where DDG was when he saved the ball. It's like Rune Bratseth (the Norwegian international captain in the early 90s and captain for Werder Bremen) said : If a defender has to make a diving tackle - it's just an indication that his positioning was poor to start with.

 

[Oldham]

DG is almost fault free. I guess he's set the standard

The ones I can remember without checking :

Can't remember the season but he had a horrible one against Wednesday when he let in a simple shot from 25 yards out - and then shouted at Pallister and Bruce for not blocking the shot.

92/93 Man United - Everton 0-3 came out of his box 30 yards from goal to control a ball and was robbed by Mo Johnstone I think

92/93 United - Aston Villa kicked it straight to Atkinson - but made up for it by saving 1 on 1

92/93 Ipswich - United 2-1 He comes outside his area to clear the ball and missed it - Kiwomya with an open goal.
He did the same against Barnsley in the FA cup 3-4 years later.

93/94 City - United 2-3 First he should have saved Quinns header - and then he comes for McMahons cross, Quinn beats him to it and heads it into an open goal

Blackburn - United 2-4 - both goals should have been avoided. The first he came all the way out to the area to clear a freekick, punched it straight to Warhurst who sent it into the empty goal. The second goal was a header from Hendry which he should have kept out. Not a howler - but not good goalkeeping.

Don't get me wrong - I rate Schmeichel extremely high, and he usually saved us 10 times each season, but he made a lot of mistakes that DDG never does. That is why I rate DDG higher now.​

DDG also his mishaps in his first 2 years...
But I agree that he us setting a new standard...
Peter had his euro 92 which was unbelievable. And he is a childhood hero. So for me still Big Peter

 

[billybee99]

He's the best pure shot-stopper, but they both had better all-round games. Overall I have him ahead of VDS but Schmeichel is still #1 for me.

This

 

[Revan]

Better than big Pete, much better than VDS.

Unfortunately though, he doesn't have the trophies and that will count a lot for his legacy. If he had joined Real and won those 3 UCLs while being as good as he has been for us, he would have been in discussion for the greatest of all time.

 

[Fortitude]

I agree VDS is massively underrated. Nothing was ever dramatic with him, he just seemed to find everything easy. Having said that the record you refer to was down to both him and the defence, something De Gea certainly hasn’t had!

I don't think VDS is underrated. You're literally talking about a keeper many consider the best of all-time in Schmeichel and a modern phenomenon in De Gea, so it's a ridiculously high standard of keeper he is being brought into the company of.

I don't think there's any shame in being third in such a grouping. Schmeichel is usually being argued against the likes of: Buffon, Kahn, Yashin, Shilton, Banks and so forth for the very best ever; De Gea only really has Neuer as a peer in the last 6 years. VDS wasn't regarded as the best keeper when active or even top 3, so the context is important.

Still a great keeper, though.

 

[Thebaldingbob]

He's the best pure shot-stopper, but they both had better all-round games. Overall I have him ahead of VDS but Schmeichel is still #1 for me.

Absolutely correct 100%

 

[SAFMUTD]

As a club legends Schmeichel and VDS are above DDG because of the throphies and due to being an important part of very succesful teams.

Now talking purely on who’s the better GK eventhough Schmeichel and VDS were top top keepers they were never the #1 in the world, which De Gea has managed for some years now.

 

[Sean_RedDevil]

Easily David De Gea!!!

Schmeichel and Van der Sar have played in a team with world-class defenders.

 

[elmo]

I agree VDS is massively underrated. Nothing was ever dramatic with him, he just seemed to find everything easy. Having said that the record you refer to was down to both him and the defence, something De Gea certainly hasn’t had!

People keep forgetting that the defensive lineup kept changing almost every week when we set that record .

 

[Snow]

I at least will not say that Schmeichel and VDS were better than DDG.

Also remember, Schmeichel joined United at the same age as DDG is now, VDS was even older.

 

[Freak]

De Gea for me. Big Pete and Edwin were class but they had some brilliant defenders in front of them. De Gea has won us so many points having average defenders in front of him for the majority of his time.

 

[Adnan]

Schmeichel was the best IMO. The way he commanded his area was incredible. The Newcastle game in 1996 was something else. The starfish save that he used to pull of at times was amazing.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

People keep forgetting that the defensive lineup kept changing almost every week when we set that record .

But they were good defenders! Big difference.

 

[Fortitude]

I think this is the first time that Big Pete has a rival for top spot in the general consciousness of United support.

If someone said to me De Gea, in their opinion, is the superior keeper, I wouldn't find it laughable, wouldn't even dismiss it as a notion. I think most of us who saw the Great Dane never thought a day like that would come.

 

[Oscar.Z.Acosta]

Big Pete in his time used to make strikers soil themselves. Will always be number 1 for me.

 

[Dr. Dwayne]

For all the calamity of the years after Peter Schmeichel and before VDS, we've been blessed in this department for a long time since football started, anyway.

 

[Denis79]

De Gea is the best shot-stopper of the three no contest, while Schmeichel controlled his defence better and had much better distribution. Van der Sar was incredible but beneath the two in my opinion.

 

[RedRonaldo]

Dave has many great individual performances, probably making more saves per match. But big Pete had won much more (CL, Euro, League titles), and was more dominate in his own area.

 

[Sanjuro]

Peter Schmeichel is the best goalkeeper I have seen play the game (I watch football since the mid 80s). He oozed charisma. The best ever!

 

[amolbhatia50k]

In terms of actual peformances, De Gea is the best keeper I've seen and by a distance (didn't see Pete regularly). Up there with the best players I've seen for United as well.

The only thing that can be held against him and I'm not even sure that's valid is that he hasn't won big trophies.

 

[RedDevilCanuck]

I never saw the dane unforgiven.

VDS wasn't as good as DDG as stopping shots but was actually the perfect keeper for us at the time.

He didn't have to be an excellent shot stopper because we had Rio, Vidic and Carrick and dominated possession and hardly gave up by chances.

But VDS hardly ever fecked up and was the best kicking keeper I've seen and also delt with any cross and could organize.

VDS was perfect for his side and DDG is perfect for this side.

You cant say who is better.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

People talk about distribution but my word the actual goalkeeping DDG does is on another level to his peers. IMO replace him with any other top keeper and you'd see us losing a good amount of points.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Opt out of of voting, love both VDS and DDG, while admiring PBS.

Saving -- PBS/DDG > VDS
Kicking -- VDS > DDG > PBS
Passing -- VDS/DDG > PBS
Penalty -- PBS/VDS > DDG
Sweeping -- VDS > DDG/PBS
Throwing -- PBS > VDS/DDG
Catching -- VDS > PBS/DDG
Positioning -- VDS/DDG > PBS
Organising -- VDS > PBS/DDG
1-on-1 -- PBS > DDG > VDS

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Special Skills/Traits:
Peter Boleslaw Schmeichel -- Quick counter attack long throw, intimidation tactic in general plays, Cat saves, Penalty stopper.
Edwin Van der Sar -- Calm influences, mind-games tactic during penalty, Penalty stopper, Build-up attacks passing from the back.
David de Gea Quintana -- Sweet accurate long kick, Feet saves, Cat saves, Fingertip saves, Right positioning, Rooms for more growth.

 

[jeff_goldblum]

Opt out of of voting, love both VDS and DDG, while admiring PBS.

Saving -- PBS/DDG > VDS
Kicking -- VDS > DDG > PBS
Passing -- VDS/DDG > PBS
Penalty -- PBS/VDS > DDG
Sweeping -- VDS > DDG/PBS
Throwing -- PBS > VDS/DDG
Catching -- VDS > PBS/DDG
Positioning -- VDS/DDG > PBS
Organising -- VDS > PBS/DDG
1-on-1 -- PBS > DDG > VDS

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Special Skills/Traits:
Peter Boleslaw Schmeichel -- Quick counter attack long throw, intimidation tactic in general plays, Cat saves, Penalty stopper.
Edwin Van der Sar -- Calm influences, mind-games tactic during penalty, Penalty stopper, Build-up attacks passing from the back.
David de Gea Quintana -- Sweet accurate long kick, Feet saves, Cat saves, Fingertip saves, Right positioning, Rooms for more growth.

Disagree with a few bits of that. Schmikes was never great at penalties, he shares that with De Gea. He also was far better than De Gea at organising his defence and communication in general, with VDS even better. Van Der Sar was comfortably better in distribution with both hands and feet than De Gea currently is. Schmeichel and Van Der Sar were both brilliant and claiming and holding high balls into the box, which is still a relative weakness in De Gea's game. VDS and Schmeichel both had an almost freakish ability to catch shots, De Gea doesn't hold as many but he's better at pushing the ball away from the goal to prevent rebounds than Schmeichel, except with some of his feet saves where he's been guilty of pushing some straight back into the middle of the 6 yard box.

I wouldn't cite positioning as something De Gea is better than VDS of Schmeichel at, with VDS his saves would look routine because he was in the right place, Big Pete was brilliant and putting himself right in the way, whereas De Gea relies far more on his reflexes and agility. He ability to use his feet to reach balls no-one could get a hand to is second to none.

 

[ManuMou]

Already surpassed the other two in my opinion, he should be club captain.

This. And he deserves the highest wages in our squad. And I can't believe Valencia/Young is still holding armband IMO.

 

[Isotope]

Opt out of of voting, love both VDS and DDG, while admiring PBS.

Saving -- PBS/DDG > VDS
Kicking -- VDS > DDG > PBS
Passing -- VDS/DDG > PBS
Penalty -- PBS/VDS > DDG
Sweeping -- VDS > DDG/PBS
Throwing -- PBS > VDS/DDG
Catching -- VDS > PBS/DDG
Positioning -- VDS/DDG > PBS
Organising -- VDS > PBS/DDG
1-on-1 -- PBS > DDG > VDS

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Special Skills/Traits:
Peter Boleslaw Schmeichel -- Quick counter attack long throw, intimidation tactic in general plays, Cat saves, Penalty stopper.
Edwin Van der Sar -- Calm influences, mind-games tactic during penalty, Penalty stopper, Build-up attacks passing from the back.
David de Gea Quintana -- Sweet accurate long kick, Feet saves, Cat saves, Fingertip saves, Right positioning, Rooms for more growth.

Is it the future DDG? the one that will have "sweet accurate long kick"?? Imho, he's the worst out of the three. Every time he launch this "sweet long kick", it was like a free ball to the opponent.

Imho, most people acknowledge that PBS is one of the GOAT Gk.
While DDG is still arguably the best of this era.