[Berbaclass]

With big clubs, there's so much fans you can easily single out the idiots to make the group look bad. We have, what, 600,000,000? It'd sadly be very very easy to pull a tweet/video from one of ours to show us up

So what? Racism on any level is unacceptable. I don't understand where you're coming from TBH.

 

[carlosp]

Spurs had 60% possession by half-time.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...-League-2018-2019-Tottenham-Manchester-United

At half-time Spurs were ahead with 7-5 shots AT target however United were 0-3 ahead shots ON target. Spurs 4 off target, 3 blocked.

 

[cyril C]

Spurs had 60% possession by half-time.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...-League-2018-2019-Tottenham-Manchester-United

At half-time Spurs were ahead with 7-5 shots AT target however United were 0-3 ahead shots ON target. Spurs 4 off target, 3 blocked.

We went in with a game plan of counter-attack, so possession was never our priority. Although towards 2nd half we sit so deep that 70+ possession to the opposition was simply too much (or dangerous). We dominated the MF in 1st half and every counter-attack was dangerous, but Spurs could hardly created any real chance. What is disappointed is our 2nd half, sitting too deep.

 

[carlosp]

We went in with a game plan of counter-attack, so possession was never our priority. Although towards 2nd half we sit so deep that 70+ possession to the opposition was simply too much (or dangerous). We dominated the MF in 1st half and every counter-attack was dangerous, but Spurs could hardly created any real chance. What is disappointed is our 2nd half, sitting too deep.

Well at the end of the game, they only had 61.2% possession so not as bad as it looked.

 

[ChaddyP]

we lost the second half of the second half. It was pretty even up until about th 65th minute

 

[United58]

So what? Racism on any level is unacceptable. I don't understand where you're coming from TBH.

Oh yeah, completely accept that, just with the average person you will get so so many scummy, despicable comments, and because the big clubs have a lot of people following them, you'll hear/read a lot of cancer from them sadly

 

[Isotope]

Conversely, he did make the correct changes at half time and they dominated the 2nd half after a fairly even first half. We had no response for their 2nd half performance. I think that highlights a lack of depth in our squad really. No trusted players on the bench to come on.

That's true. Mata, Lukaku, and Fred are expensive purchase / "big names". But they can barely hold candles of their younger teammates in Martial, Rashford, and Lingard.

 

[mav_9me]

those 2 boys

"not stupid square backpasses"

That makes me want to hire him right now.

 

[Red Indian Chief Torn Rubber]

This is my biggest concern about Pochettino. He doesn't know how to change a game or get a message across mid game. He needs half time to change things and you don't get that when you concede in the second half. All the games where Spurs have 'choked' this has happened. It's a huge red flag.

I agree

 

[Escobar]

we lost the second half of the second half. It was pretty even up until about th 65th minute

Pogba alone had 3 huge chances, especially the one after the square pass from Martial should have been a goal. Then we fell apart and we couldnt change things

 

[Wotspur]

Build De Gea a statue.

And one of Mike Dean .
Managed to book Pogba for throwing the ball away , but totally missed his studs up on Deli’s knee, which was a straight red card
What is it with time wasting from early on by De Geva and Dean didn’t even talk to him let alone book him . Apparently he managed to waste over 10 minutes on goal kicks etc

 

[Redforever<3]

One important aspect that I've not seen mentioned much and which sort of goes against the Tottenham-would-have-spanked-us-if-it-weren't-for-De-Gea narrative, is the fact that our defense, however much it struggled, were the ones who limited Tottenham's players to strikes that were just there-abouts or near good enough to beat the keeper. Not all of DDGs saves were top top class – certainly his was a man of the match performance, but on the whole, if the Tottenham players had been given just a fraction of a second more to align their sights in front of the keeper, goals would have resulted.

The way the United players were throwing themselves into blocking shots, the intensity with which they worked – it was just about enough to compensate for the lack of cohesive defending and worsening nerves as Tottenham bore at them again and again.

It's as Solskjaer said in his post match interview – they're kids, and they're just trying to find a semblance defensive structure in the debacle following Mourinho – remember, we were the team in the top half of the table with the worst defensive record in the league!

Had they been more calm, more collected, they would have been able to see the game out in more elegant fashion, it is true. But this time pure grit was enough, pure desire.

I really thought it was glorious.

To put things in perspective , we had a negative goal difference before or just before Solskjaer took over and we managed to go to fecking Tottenham at their ground, sitting as they do at 3rd place, and limit the team with the world's best striker to not scoring even a single goal.

That's an effing achievement.

 

[crossy1686]

And one of Mike Dean .
Managed to book Pogba for throwing the ball away , but totally missed his studs up on Deli’s knee, which was a straight red card
What is it with time wasting from early on by De Geva and Dean didn’t even talk to him let alone book him . Apparently he managed to waste over 10 minutes on goal kicks etc

He actually booked Pogba for the tackle, not the throwing of the ball. MOTD confirmed what the booking was for, meaning no retrospective action.

 

[roonster09]

And one of Mike Dean .
Managed to book Pogba for throwing the ball away , but totally missed his studs up on Deli’s knee, which was a straight red card
What is it with time wasting from early on by De Geva and Dean didn’t even talk to him let alone book him . Apparently he managed to waste over 10 minutes on goal kicks etc

No way it was a red card tackle and some Spurs fan account posted stat for De Gea, 26 seconds for each goal kick and he took 10 of them. That's around 4 mins.

 

[#07]

 

[kouroux]

Straight red card You must be joking

 

[Trizy]

So now the buzz has died down there was one worrying part of Sundays victory:

The second half midfield battle. We literally could not hold onto the ball for the last 30 minutes yet the majority of Caf agreed Pogba was very good, Herrera excellent and Matic good. Surely if you're 3 midfielders are putting in an admirable shift then you don't get over run over and over again?

First half was brilliant, we went toe-to-toe with a title runner and had the better chances, away from home. Last 30 minutes of the second half could've been 4-1 was it not for De Gea. Spurs midfield wasn't exactly made of Xavi, Iniesta & Busquets.

 

[Red00012]

And one of Mike Dean .
Managed to book Pogba for throwing the ball away , but totally missed his studs up on Deli’s knee, which was a straight red card
What is it with time wasting from early on by De Geva and Dean didn’t even talk to him let alone book him . Apparently he managed to waste over 10 minutes on goal kicks etc

Bitter much ?

 

[Escobar]

Spurs had 60% possession by half-time.

https://www.whoscored.com/Matches/1...-League-2018-2019-Tottenham-Manchester-United

At half-time Spurs were ahead with 7-5 shots AT target however United were 0-3 ahead shots ON target. Spurs 4 off target, 3 blocked.

First time for them this season to not have a shot on target in the first half

 

[cyril C]

One important aspect that I've not seen mentioned much and which sort of goes against the Tottenham-would-have-spanked-us-if-it-weren't-for-De-Gea narrative, is the fact that our defense, however much it struggled, were the ones who limited Tottenham's players to strikes that were just there-abouts or near good enough to beat the keeper. Not all of DDGs saves were top top class – certainly his was a man of the match performance, but on the whole, if the Tottenham players had been given just a fraction of a second more to align their sights in front of the keeper, goals would have resulted.

The way the United players were throwing themselves into blocking shots, the intensity with which they worked – it was just about enough to compensate for the lack of cohesive defending and worsening nerves as Tottenham bore at them again and again.

It's as Solskjaer said in his post match interview – they're kids, and they're just trying to find a semblance defensive structure in the debacle following Mourinho – remember, we were the team in the top half of the table with the worst defensive record in the league!

Had they been more calm, more collected, they would have been able to see the game out in more elegant fashion, it is true. But this time pure grit was enough, pure desire.

I really thought it was glorious.

To put things in perspective , we had a negative goal difference before or just before Solskjaer took over and we managed to go to fecking Tottenham at their ground, sitting as they do at 3rd place, and limit the team with the world's best striker to not scoring even a single goal.

That's an effing achievement.

Agree. We only made 1 clear cut mistake (by Jones?) in 1st half opening minutes allowed Wink a clear chance. After that we have them bottled until the 2nd half of 2nd half, mostly are half chances, perhaps due to the fact that we closed down fast enough so Spurs players had to take it quickly. I thought only the Alle attempt was 1st class, rest were too direct or not having enough power.

 

[macheda14]

And one of Mike Dean .
Managed to book Pogba for throwing the ball away , but totally missed his studs up on Deli’s knee, which was a straight red card
What is it with time wasting from early on by De Geva and Dean didn’t even talk to him let alone book him . Apparently he managed to waste over 10 minutes on goal kicks etc

No. Mike Dean said he booked Pogba for the challenge not the dissent.

 

[The Brown Bull]

No way it was a red card tackle and some Spurs fan account posted stat for De Gea, 26 seconds for each goal kick and he took 10 of them. That's around 4 mins.

What? It was a straight red all day long just like Shelvey's so called tackle on Pogba in the Newcastle game.

 

[roonster09]

What? It was a straight red all day long just like Shelvey's so called tackle on Pogba in the Newcastle game.

No, it wasn't. Jamie Redknapp explained it well in the post match. It's not even comparable to Shelvey's challenge.

 

[The Brown Bull]

One important aspect that I've not seen mentioned much and which sort of goes against the Tottenham-would-have-spanked-us-if-it-weren't-for-De-Gea narrative, is the fact that our defense, however much it struggled, were the ones who limited Tottenham's players to strikes that were just there-abouts or near good enough to beat the keeper. Not all of DDGs saves were top top class – certainly his was a man of the match performance, but on the whole, if the Tottenham players had been given just a fraction of a second more to align their sights in front of the keeper, goals would have resulted.

The way the United players were throwing themselves into blocking shots, the intensity with which they worked – it was just about enough to compensate for the lack of cohesive defending and worsening nerves as Tottenham bore at them again and again.

It's as Solskjaer said in his post match interview – they're kids, and they're just trying to find a semblance defensive structure in the debacle following Mourinho – remember, we were the team in the top half of the table with the worst defensive record in the league!

Had they been more calm, more collected, they would have been able to see the game out in more elegant fashion, it is true. But this time pure grit was enough, pure desire.

I really thought it was glorious.

To put things in perspective , we had a negative goal difference before or just before Solskjaer took over and we managed to go to fecking Tottenham at their ground, sitting as they do at 3rd place, and limit the team with the world's best striker to not scoring even a single goal.

That's an effing achievement.

This is delusion of the worst kind. Spurs dominated the 2nd half and ripped our defence apart only for DDG to save us.Lindelof was good, Young Ok, Shaw & Jones poor but collectively they were awful.Also the didn't get much protection from overworked Herrera and Matic.We will not continue to get away with this defence.End of.We should at a minimum be buying a decent CB this window.

 

[The Brown Bull]

No, it wasn't. Jamie Redknapp explained it well in the post match. It's not even comparable to Shelvey's challenge.

Redknapp with all due respect was talking through his arse as he usually does.Souness explained it not that it needed explaining.

 

[roonster09]

Redknapp with all due respect was talking through his arse as he usually does.Souness explained it not that it needed explaining.

As usual Souness was talking out of his arse, it wasn't even surprising. Compared Pogba's to his assualt.

 

[The Brown Bull]

As usual Souness was talking out of his arse, it wasn't even surprising. Compared Pogba's to his assualt.

Pogba raked his studs into the lads thigh? Thats not a red in your book? I would take Sourness'es opinion anyway before the spice boy's.

 

[StrettyEnder07]

When did I say we deserved a medal? I'm saying we were getting in to good areas, you weren't much the better team. If you feel like you were, fair enough all power to you. I don't think many neutrals would say that but you never know. I think you edged the first half but it was an even contest between two sides, you had a few good positions on the counter but didn't really make much of them until the goal.

Alli and Kane both had two excellent chances each, as well as a few close rangers headers they should do better with. Pogba missed two good chances. You played well but I don't know why you're getting caught up in the 'played with' remark, all it means is that we were carving you open in the second half .. which we were. We missed a whole host of very good chances across the 90 minutes, more than you did. I don't think you were the better side for 60 minutes, throughout pretty much the entire second half I think we were better.

Most journalists are giving your keeper a 10/10 rating, I think that speaks for itself.

Jesus mate it was a joke, christ, relax! Don't take everything to heart.

Think everyone gave the keeper 10/10, you make 11 saves and keep a clean sheet that's pretty much the norm. Yeah you missed some very good chances, happens in football, we missed some very good chances as well, plus some very good attacking scenarios, you think we only just edged the first half, I disagree and thought we were in control pretty much for all of it and were by far the better team in that half.

First 15 minutes of the second half we had two great chances and were playing well, then last half an hour we got pinned back, maybe ran out of steam a little bit and got carved open 4/5 times, you had a chance or two from corners which happens, I can think of two Kane chances, one for Ali, Llorente was a bit of a mishit not a great chance, can't think of anything else bar shots from outside the area that De Gea dealt with pretty easily.

If you think you bossed it, toyed with us and blew us away then crack on, I won't be losing any sleep over it, good for you. No Son and Kane out for a month, enjoy that 7 point gap while you have it lad

 

[Grande]

So now the buzz has died down there was one worrying part of Sundays victory:

The second half midfield battle. We literally could not hold onto the ball for the last 30 minutes yet the majority of Caf agreed Pogba was very good, Herrera excellent and Matic good. Surely if you're 3 midfielders are putting in an admirable shift then you don't get over run over and over again?

First half was brilliant, we went toe-to-toe with a title runner and had the better chances, away from home. Last 30 minutes of the second half could've been 4-1 was it not for De Gea. Spurs midfield wasn't exactly made of Xavi, Iniesta & Busquets.

Agree that the last 30 mins we were dominated. Yet I think the back four played very well, Herrera was brilliant and even Matic did well in a situation that really doesn’t suit him (chasing a fast passing team on tired legs). It was clear to me that all of the front four were knackered after about an hour, and Matic/Herrera had way too much ground to cover. By then, the front four were losing the ball fairly quickly more and more often. McTominay and Dalot helped us cover more ground, yet they couldn’t help us doing much with the ball, so Tottenham were allowed much ball and being able to stay high up the pitch, pinning us back.

Eriksen, Lamela, Son and Alli are more than adept enough to overplay a team which cannot press them efficiently in midfield. Tbh, I think if we had Fellaini and Sanchez on for Lingard and Pogba the last hour, I think we’d most likely have won 2-0.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

@SquishyMcSquish

You know that saying you’re only as good as your last performance?

What was the most recent spurs result?

I don't agree with that saying! One result doesn't define a team, we got beat but on another day we come back in that second half. I'm far more concerned about our injuries than the result itself.

 

[Cee90]

Anyone still buzzing from this game? I am.

It helps that I have many Spurs supporting mates and work colleagues who I can wind up about it!

I loved Ole's substitution which saw Dalot come on for Lingard, however, I wasn't happy with the Lukaku substitution as if anything, it invited more pressure on our defence as he didn't hold up the ball well enough or put pressure on their defence much when they had possession.

Also, I am not sure why we kept allowing their fullbacks to whip in crosses throughout the entire game. Trippier in particular is one of the best crossers in the league.

Anyway, I'm very positive about us at the moment and I look forward to every game with anticipation, something I couldn't say a little while back.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

I think we’re disagreeing about the words “far more” in that sentence. Spurs did create more, but not by much. Only 3 more shots on target. Only 3 more shots inside the box in total.

The fact Spurs chances came in relatively quick succession left the impression of total domination at the end of the game. Which is kind of misleading. I agree Spurs probably deserved to win, on balance of play, but I don’t think it was the sort of smash and grab - completely against the run of play - you alluded to in the last post I quoted. The Juventus game was a very different kettle of fish.

EDIT: See xG above. We’ve needed DdG to dig us out of many much deeper holes in the past, believe me!

Fair enough, I've watched the highlights of the game again and I still get the impression that we were clearly the more dangerous side, but it's perfectly possible that's down to fan bias. I'm no neutral in this situation. I do think we struggled to get as many shots away as we should have, sometimes we attempt to overplay.

The Juventus example was a bad one tbh, it certainly wasn't a game where only one side came to play, you had your periods in the game. It was more just an example that the best side doesn't always come away with the points and that's football, rather than making out it was the exact same kind of game.

The xG is interesting, but there were certainly a lot of chances in that game that you expect Kane and Alli in particular to put away. Those two are very good 1vs1, they're very good inside the box and with free headers, hence why it was so shocking/disappointing that these were the situations they were failing in. Winks in the first half too, that won't even go down as a shot but he had tons of space and elected to pass to nobody. I expect that from him though, and the Llorente miss wasn't so surprising.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Anyone still buzzing from this game? I am.

It helps that I have many Spurs supporting mates and work colleagues who I can wind up about it!

I loved Ole's substitution which saw Dalot come on for Lingard, however, I wasn't happy with the Lukaku substitution as if anything, it invited more pressure on our defence as he didn't hold up the ball well enough or put pressure on their defence much when they had possession.

Also, I am not sure why we kept allowing their fullbacks to whip in crosses throughout the entire game. Trippier in particular is one of the best crossers in the league.

Anyway, I'm very positive about us at the moment and I look forward to every game with anticipation, something I couldn't say a little while back.

This is Shaw, when Jose was still here he had a big issue with Shaw positioning and how he is never close to the person crossing.

And the Lukaku sub, the idea behind it was good but Lukaku's execution was horrible. Im sure Ole didnt want Lukaku to come on and stroll around.

 

[crossy1686]

Pogba raked his studs into the lads thigh? Thats not a red in your book? I would take Sourness'es opinion anyway before the spice boy's.

In all fairness, it probably was a red. People are talking about intent but that doesn't come into it when you stud someone knee high, you can mean it or not mean it, it's still a red card. Luckily for us, Mike Dean deemed it a yellow card challenge so Pogba rides again.

 

[Handré1990]

So now the buzz has died down there was one worrying part of Sundays victory:

The second half midfield battle. We literally could not hold onto the ball for the last 30 minutes yet the majority of Caf agreed Pogba was very good, Herrera excellent and Matic good. Surely if you're 3 midfielders are putting in an admirable shift then you don't get over run over and over again?

First half was brilliant, we went toe-to-toe with a title runner and had the better chances, away from home. Last 30 minutes of the second half could've been 4-1 was it not for De Gea. Spurs midfield wasn't exactly made of Xavi, Iniesta & Busquets.

It all connects though. None of our forwards seemed interested in recycling possession. Ole mentioned after that we were too direct in the second half, keeping in mind that we were in the lead. We could’ve scored a few ourselves mind, so I guess it’s about getting used to our new identity and becoming a little more cynical when we are in the lead away to top teams. We certainly had players who could have kept the ball.

For whatever it’s worth I don’t think Pogba was great other than the assist and a couple of other sequences. Lost the ball unnecessary too often imo. Both Herrera and Matic recycled possession better I thought.

 

[Adam-Utd]

This is Shaw, when Jose was still here he had a big issue with Shaw positioning and how he is never close to the person crossing.

And the Lukaku sub, the idea behind it was good but Lukaku's execution was horrible. Im sure Ole didnt want Lukaku to come on and stroll around.

Why would Shaw be in charge of getting out to another fullback? that's the winger or midfielders job when playing a diamond.

We clearly kept a very narrow defence to block Son/Kane's space which worked well.

 

[SquishyMcSquish]

Jesus mate it was a joke, christ, relax! Don't take everything to heart.

Think everyone gave the keeper 10/10, you make 11 saves and keep a clean sheet that's pretty much the norm. Yeah you missed some very good chances, happens in football, we missed some very good chances as well, plus some very good attacking scenarios, you think we only just edged the first half, I disagree and thought we were in control pretty much for all of it and were by far the better team in that half.

First 15 minutes of the second half we had two great chances and were playing well, then last half an hour we got pinned back, maybe ran out of steam a little bit and got carved open 4/5 times, you had a chance or two from corners which happens, I can think of two Kane chances, one for Ali, Llorente was a bit of a mishit not a great chance, can't think of anything else bar shots from outside the area that De Gea dealt with pretty easily.

If you think you bossed it, toyed with us and blew us away then crack on, I won't be losing any sleep over it, good for you. No Son and Kane out for a month, enjoy that 7 point gap while you have it lad

I .. didn't.


We missed more very good chances though, that's the point. I'm not suggesting United had no chances, I'm suggesting we had more and should have done a lot better with them. If you think you were in total control the first half then fair enough, that's your perspective.

One for Alli? He was put through on goal and then had a free shot at close range in the box you'd expect him to put away most times. Also, there were key chances from corners where Kane has a free header at close range you'd bet on him putting away, Alli had a free header too at some point.

I don't think we bossed the entire game, but I do think we bossed the final 30 and shouldn't be losing a game where we created that many chances overall, that's all. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day because we lost, but that's my view on the game.

As for the injuries, it's worrying but confident we'll fight our way through it.

 

[RedStarUnited]

Why would Shaw be in charge of getting out to another fullback? that's the winger or midfielders job when playing a diamond.

We clearly kept a very narrow defence to block Son/Kane's space which worked well.

It didn't really work well considering the chances Spurs had. Shaw's job is stopping whoever comes in his left back zone from creating chances. If Tottenham played with a winger and were double teaming Shaw then you could ask someone to drop in and help out but that wasn't the case.

 

[Adam-Utd]

It didn't really work well considering the chances Spurs had. Shaw's job is stopping whoever comes in his left back zone from creating chances. If Tottenham played with a winger and were double teaming Shaw then you could ask someone to drop in and help out but that wasn't the case.

Nope. In that situation your fullback never runs out to meet a player high and wide. He will leave a big gap for somebody to make an underlapping run, allow a player to receive the ball in the box or get a cross in at the near post.

If we're playing a higher line at that stage then yes, Shaw should push out. The tactics were clear though, a deep lying narrow back 4 being protected by the midfield.

This was the reason Martial got subbed as he was not tracking trippier well. Eventually rashford started doing it but he was knackered soon after.

 

[StrettyEnder07]

I .. didn't.


We missed more very good chances though, that's the point. I'm not suggesting United had no chances, I'm suggesting we had more and should have done a lot better with them. If you think you were in total control the first half then fair enough, that's your perspective.

One for Alli? He was put through on goal and then had a free shot at close range in the box you'd expect him to put away most times. Also, there were key chances from corners where Kane has a free header at close range you'd bet on him putting away, Alli had a free header too at some point.

I don't think we bossed the entire game, but I do think we bossed the final 30 and shouldn't be losing a game where we created that many chances overall, that's all. It doesn't really matter at the end of the day because we lost, but that's my view on the game.

As for the injuries, it's worrying but confident we'll fight our way through it.

Don't get me wrong not saying we deserved to win it, personally think a point each was the fair result but will take any 1-0 wins away from home against top 6 I can get my hands on.

Can only remember the one from Ali that De Gea pulled off a good save, can't remember the others but was probably hiding behind the door frame at that point.

All about opinions mate and you're always going to slide towards your own side only natural, we all do it.

Be interesting to see what he does, you think you boys will go into the market?