Some things never change for Jose!
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Some things never change for Jose!
You listen to that, to Mourinho saying how fecking Traore is ahead of him, how they are five wingers ahead of him and you think that interview is Mourinho just towing the party line?
It's not as of Salah had even been sold at that stage. He left on loan so he could smell the pitch, since the man that loved him so much made him sixth choice.
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I think the exclamation mark denotes sarcasm...
He was always such a bad fit for us, still cant believe he was here for such a long time..
So glad he's gone.
So glad he's gone.
Yeah. Merinho never takes responsibility
A narcissist trying to out-trump Trump.
Still as delusional as you were before we sacked you then Jose? Mentioning a second finish at United is his greatest achievement is his indirect way of telling the world how he achieved miracles with an inept group of players and a club lacking structure.
Still as delusional as you were before we sacked you then Jose? Mentioning a second finish at United is his greatest achievement is his indirect way of telling the world how he achieved miracles with an inept group of players and a club lacking structure.
So hold on, Mourinho spent like the last year blocking the appointment of a DoF, and now that he’s fired he’s implying his failure is due to a lack of a DoF?
His failures ultimately come down to what happened out on the pitch. He could have talked all the bollox he wanted here if he had shown some understanding of what is expected of a United team during 90 minutes. As it was, two years in and nobody - including most of the players and even himself it seems - had any clue what exactly he was trying to achieve out there.
His failures ultimately come down to what happened out on the pitch. He could have talked all the bollox he wanted here if he had shown some understanding of what is expected of a United team during 90 minutes. As it was, two years in and nobody - including most of the players and even himself it seems - had any clue what exactly he was trying to achieve out there.
Yeah. Mourinho's ability to turn toxic has little correlation to a club's structure. That does not alter the fact you're club is still operating under the old british structure, which in today's game is actually very unstable and prone to internal collapses
I hope he turns his career around to be fair. There’s a decent guy in there somewhere and was always respectful to our fans. Just glad he’s finally out of the club.
Your joking.. right?
Oh, this season? Yeah, he definitely struggled.
He had help from Conte going nuclear and Wenger being Wenger in that season as well. Chelsea were 1 point ahead in 2nd at the time Conte decided to emulate Jose and feck their season up.
Not to mention Liverpool stopped conceding silly goals when they signed VvD in January and actually looked like catching up to us at one point, only to drop out of the race due to their CL progression and thin squad. But all this is lost to Jose fans who still bang on about that 2nd as though Jose achieved it by surpassing all odds.
What's interesting is that the "Jose thread" is now 25 pages long and getting longer.
It shows that people have strong feelings about him - for and against.
Somehow, he divided fan opinion like no other. With Moyes and LVG - we unanimously said that they need to go. There was little argument against that, but not with Jose.
I will be watching to see which club he joins and how he does with them. I really don't want there to be a situation where we go up against his new team and lose, followed by him saying, "I told you so".
It shows that people have strong feelings about him - for and against.
Somehow, he divided fan opinion like no other. With Moyes and LVG - we unanimously said that they need to go. There was little argument against that, but not with Jose.
I will be watching to see which club he joins and how he does with them. I really don't want there to be a situation where we go up against his new team and lose, followed by him saying, "I told you so".
Mate, since SAF left, Jose got us our highest league finish (as well as 2 trophies in his first season). To suggest that that was a nothing achievement is bizarre.
You need to give credit where it's due.
Yeah i can see him taking over elsewhere and it being something very similar to how he done with us and Chelsea (2nd time). He will revitalise them momentarily, get them some level of short term success, then will try stamp his football style into the club and fall out with everyone and their dog, and leave the club a shambles.
God I really hope that second part never ever happens. I couldnt look at him being smug in his after match interview
I'm just glad that I can sit back and laugh at the jibberish he talks now knowing that it has absolutely nothing to do with us.
The latest yesterday for example:
"If you speak about Guardiola, Ancelotti, about one where obviously I belong, that have a career of victories for a long, long period, where are the young ones with a real impact in terms of results, where are they?"
So, basically he's asking where are all the new, young managers who have had a long career of consistently winning, .
Well, where are they?
Good luck to whoever hires him next, you're going to need it, listening to more of these words of wisdom.
The latest yesterday for example:
"If you speak about Guardiola, Ancelotti, about one where obviously I belong, that have a career of victories for a long, long period, where are the young ones with a real impact in terms of results, where are they?"
So, basically he's asking where are all the new, young managers who have had a long career of consistently winning, .
Well, where are they?
Good luck to whoever hires him next, you're going to need it, listening to more of these words of wisdom.
You summed it up very very well. I have never heard him saying well, it's my fault, or this was bad decision by me or or, that never happened unlike someone like Pep who I just read today a quote of hi saying " worst thing in football are excuses "
An unfortunately Jose being Jose, he always moaning about the club about us, players and the board, but him self.
I give credit to him for taking the opportunity to finish 2nd and not bottling it. But circumstances favoured that 2nd position, much like it did when Leicester win the league, for example. That cannot be denied.
Any other season and his atrocious tactics post-Jan would have been found out.
It was another way of having a go at modern/flavour of the month style of managers and football.
LVG finished closer to 1st position in points. We finished second clearly because opposition had weak seasons and not because of real progression.
He will get another gig in the top 5 leagues easy.
If a manager like Rafa could get the Madrid job he will get another big job at the drop of a hat.
People seem to forget hes still won more in recent years than the likes of poch and klopp.
And finished second last year.
Pep and Mourinho are arguably equal in trophies right now, depending on what you value most. They have the same amount of UCL wins and Pep has more league and cup titles in non-Mickey Mouse leagues (the Portuguese one). Mourinho boasts so much about his trophies it's easy to forget that Pep is also very decorated already.
If we exclude Mourinho's strictly Portuguese achievements, he has 1 fewer league title and 3 fewer cup titles than Pep. If Pep gets 1 more UCL or EPL he is clearly ahead, IMO.
I get that (pathetic as it is) but how can anyone that's new on the scene to any industry be criticised for not having a long career of consistent results?
He is aware that time travel doesn't exist isn't he?
He undermines himself at every turn, doesn't he? If this squad is so inept, then how is Ole able to get us winning six in a row playing the kind of football Mourinho never once even hinted at? We even look better defensively, so there really is no excuse.
I've long found Mourinho to be kind of amusing in a WWE-villain kind of way (mostly before he joined United,) but one can't help but worry for his mental stability with the kind of conflict he inevitably sows, conflict that is producing ever-diminishing returns (last season's 'miraculous' 2nd place finish notwithstanding.)
His problem isn't identifying talent. IMO he generally identified the right type of player we needed and he's bought a fair number of attacking flair players wherever he's been. His predominant issue to me is he focuses on drilling everybody to be defensively sound, to play in a low block, and to play simple, risk free football regardless of what their primary skills are that attracted him to them in the first place.
He bought defenders who are better playing a high line like Lindelof and Bailly and spent significant time drilling them to become increasingly cautious to the point they rarely played penetrating passes or carried the ball forward even when allowed space. He bought Pogba and due to our tactical approach had him playing the majority of matches in our own half by the end, then found his defensive acumen and commitment lacking because he wasn't Kante. He inherited Martial and Rashford and wanted them to become Willian rather than attempting to maximize their creativity in forward areas. He bought Fred and seemingly had no clear idea of what he even wanted from him after the team stunk it up at Brighton in the 2nd match of the season.
He expects his players to completely buy into his defensive approach and then with a lack of attacking structure, which he calls freedom and a lack of automations, they should be able to produce wonderful, flowing football like they did prior to their move to United when they get the ball.
That's unrealistic and it's simply not in line with where the game has gone. Most every team uses automations, even counterattacking sides like Jose prefers. Hell we did this against Tottenham with Ole in charge as Pogba talked about having practiced playing that exact ball into that exact channel loads of times in training before the match.
Jose neither made us defensively solid or dangerous in transition, the two hallmarks of his best sides. He bought players to play this style when their strengths as players were not in line with his rigid view of how we should be playing.
IMO he'd probably do better as a head of recruitment than as a manager, because I do believe in most of the younger talent he brought in during his time here. He just had zero clue of how to manage it, and that's why he's no longer the manager he used to be where his teams, at least for the first two years, would run through walls for him and had a clear idea of how they wanted to play.
He bought defenders who are better playing a high line like Lindelof and Bailly and spent significant time drilling them to become increasingly cautious to the point they rarely played penetrating passes or carried the ball forward even when allowed space. He bought Pogba and due to our tactical approach had him playing the majority of matches in our own half by the end, then found his defensive acumen and commitment lacking because he wasn't Kante. He inherited Martial and Rashford and wanted them to become Willian rather than attempting to maximize their creativity in forward areas. He bought Fred and seemingly had no clear idea of what he even wanted from him after the team stunk it up at Brighton in the 2nd match of the season.
He expects his players to completely buy into his defensive approach and then with a lack of attacking structure, which he calls freedom and a lack of automations, they should be able to produce wonderful, flowing football like they did prior to their move to United when they get the ball.
That's unrealistic and it's simply not in line with where the game has gone. Most every team uses automations, even counterattacking sides like Jose prefers. Hell we did this against Tottenham with Ole in charge as Pogba talked about having practiced playing that exact ball into that exact channel loads of times in training before the match.
Jose neither made us defensively solid or dangerous in transition, the two hallmarks of his best sides. He bought players to play this style when their strengths as players were not in line with his rigid view of how we should be playing.
IMO he'd probably do better as a head of recruitment than as a manager, because I do believe in most of the younger talent he brought in during his time here. He just had zero clue of how to manage it, and that's why he's no longer the manager he used to be where his teams, at least for the first two years, would run through walls for him and had a clear idea of how they wanted to play.
This kind of thing drives me crazy. I'm pretty sure any of us would trade our achievements of the past 3 seasons (ie. the Europa and League Cup) for the kind of run LFC had in the Champion's League.
Mourinho will get another big job, but I think his credit is currently lower than Benitez' pre-Madrid (of course there is no denying that Benitez to Real was just a horrible fit right from the beginning.)
He's such a weasel. The two clips of him talking about Salah are peak Mourinho.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/46910545
If there ever was a doubt he's past it, this should put that to rest. He doesn't want to develop the players or maintain a relationship with them and he sure as hell doesn't want to do anything but take the accolades when they win and shift blame when they lose.
I loved Mourinho before he came to United and always wanted him to replace Ferguson when he retired. But it was clear in his second season he wasn't the right fit for this club and slowly but surely he started to blame everyone else for his errors.
Are some of the things he said in that interview correct? Probably, we do need a director of football.
Was that the sole reason he was sacked? Clearly not, I can't see how having a DOF would of changed him falling out with his best players and continually starting the likes of McTominay and Fellaini in CM. He knew exactly what he was doing. He got his contract extension and within 3 months was unhappy with the transfer budget provided to him. From that moment on he wanted out because he knew he couldn't win the title. I really believe he sabotaged this season to get sacked.
And anyway both Real Madrid and Chelsea have the structure in place he is referring to and the same thing happened to him at those clubs, can he explain this? No, he's just diverting the blame on everyone else, like he has always done. He really is the biggest narcissist in football. It's amazing the media is so positive on us since he's left, I know results are in our favour at the moment but everything from press conferences to player interviews there is a clear difference in mood around the club.
Are some of the things he said in that interview correct? Probably, we do need a director of football.
Was that the sole reason he was sacked? Clearly not, I can't see how having a DOF would of changed him falling out with his best players and continually starting the likes of McTominay and Fellaini in CM. He knew exactly what he was doing. He got his contract extension and within 3 months was unhappy with the transfer budget provided to him. From that moment on he wanted out because he knew he couldn't win the title. I really believe he sabotaged this season to get sacked.
And anyway both Real Madrid and Chelsea have the structure in place he is referring to and the same thing happened to him at those clubs, can he explain this? No, he's just diverting the blame on everyone else, like he has always done. He really is the biggest narcissist in football. It's amazing the media is so positive on us since he's left, I know results are in our favour at the moment but everything from press conferences to player interviews there is a clear difference in mood around the club.
History remembers the winners of trophies not the finalists. No will say in 20 years time 'but you only beat Southampton and Ajax in the final'.
So glad he's gone. Feck yeah!
No way, a runners up medal in a cup competition is worthless. Especially for a club like United.
I pinch myself each morning to check whether I'm dreaming or he's actually gone. Yanited finally feels like Yanited again
We were talking titles, not gigs. And the only gigs that could give him a title in these days of modern attacking football, would be PSG and maybe Juve if Napoli lose Koulibaly and others.
Maybe but I’d trade our results over the past several seasons for Liverpool’s any day.
No, not me.
Trophies are trophies. We went to Europa and won it, for the first time in our history. It is a good achievement.
For me a CL runners up medal is hardly anything to celebrate.
I don't think of "Oh! That run we made in CL before getting schooled by Barca" now.
A few positives of Jose's reign are the two trophies he won, particularly the EL which completed our set. And the players he signed are by and large decent, if not world class (maybe Pogba). It's just that he himself couldn't get the best out of players he signed.
He's left us with 2 trophies and a squad better than what LvG left us. Also shunted out Rooney. For that, I don't really regret his reign, just that he too was a failure considering his stature and the low bar that Moyes and LvG set.
He's left us with 2 trophies and a squad better than what LvG left us. Also shunted out Rooney. For that, I don't really regret his reign, just that he too was a failure considering his stature and the low bar that Moyes and LvG set.
I wouldn’t, simply because they haven’t won anything.
Losing the final makes it feel bad, but it's a higher level of competition and harder to reach.