Greatest 'pre-injury' xi ?

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The last few days, with threads involving greatest non-United players have highlighted the distinction people make between pre-injury players and the shadow of themselves some become after the accursed damage is put upon them. Petr Cech is the reason for this thread, actually, as the pre-injury version was on course to be up there with the greatest keepers ever, but post-injury, he was still very, very good, but no longer in that phenomenal banding he was pre-helmet, which is a shame.

Ronaldo is the poster boy for this thread and I guess the bona fide starter up front given, prior to injury he was expected to become the greatest player of all-time outright, and post-injury was 'only' world class and nothing like the player he used to be.

Del Piero is another strong candidate. Just a ridiculous prodigy before he was injured. After that, he was never close to his previous levels and became a shadow of the player he was (testament to how incredible he was pre-injury, really).

Michael Own is yet another - his trajectory and brilliance were taken before he'd even got started, really. He was a good player post-injury, but not even close to the player he was prior.

Anyway, what's the greatest xi you can come up with whose true level of greatness was curtailed, or totally ruined, by injury? The only rule is they have to have kept on playing for some seasons after, so none of the likes of Van Basten, who simply retired, which is different kettle of fish to what the rest did.
 

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Kaka is probably up there. His time at Madrid could've been spectacular if not for the injuries. He'd be immense behind R9 & Owen.
 

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Hard to think of a full team's worth but Norman Whiteside must be mentioned.


Pre-injury Ronaldo is the best player I've ever seen.
 
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Jack Wilshere could have been special.

I always thought Diaby looked the real deal too. He would have been the perfect successor to Vieira.

King, Hargreaves and Redknapp are 3 more that spring to mind.
 

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Owen should be in there. Injuries caught up with him as time went on.
 

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Leeds/our Alan Smith for me. Pre leg break was an tenacious monster of a player. Afterwards he was never the same.
 

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Lentini was a great talent, but he was never the same after his car accident. Will try to compile an XI later on.
 

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Ronaldo has to be there.

He was still absolutely ridiculous after basically a 20 month injury from two snapped knee legiments. He was just absurdly good pre-injury.

I'd lean more towards players that fell off after injuries but some of the names mentioned were still great players after their injuries so because of that Ronaldo has to be taken into account.
 

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Cech

King - Woodgate -

Hargreaves - Kaka - Diaby - Kewell

Owen - Ronaldo - Van basten - Torres
 

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Mainly UK focused, so not necessarily the worlds best:

Robbie Fowler. Had a bad knee injury and never was the same (or even close) again. I think non-Liverpool fans are often confused with how highly rated he was by Liverpool fans (much higher than Owen), but when you look at his play and his stats in his early years they are staggering. In his first 3 full seasons he scored more than 30 goals each time. He hit 100 goals in his first 165 games, at which point he was still 21, but only added 150ish more in the next 500 which included stints in Australia. He could finish with left foot, right foot or head. From close range or distance. Whether it was purely the injury that hurt his career, or maybe he didn't take care of himself very well. He's the Liverpool "what could have been..." player. He should have obliterated every goalscoring record in the country, but didn't really come close.

Van Basten retired after a long period of struggling with his ankle IIRC, so tricky to know whether he should be eligible. Your thread, your rules though :-)

Lentini was another one that could be mentioned, although if I'm honest I didn't see anything of him before his car accident so no idea what he was like. Masses of hype and a world record fee would suggest that he should have been decent, although there were a lot of rumours about it at the time.

Apologies for playing the Liverpool card again, but Rob Jones was another one who felt like injuries wrecked his career. Went from Crewe youth to England international in 6 months, and looked like he'd be a genuine alternative to Gary Neville for a decade, but then injuries happened and he dropped like a stone.

From other clubs, Darren Anderton. Not really one injury that ruined him, but just seemed to be injured all the time. Before things got really bad, looked like he could grow to be a fantastic player. Instead earned the nickname "Sicknote".
 
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Ronaldo and van Basten for definite. Shearer before the first knee injury was some player.

Also Gazza, obviously.

Could Marco Reus have been an elite player? Certainly looked like he was on that trajectory.

Wonder if any city fans will dare to pipe up with Paul Lake?
 

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I'm playing a front four with two at the back because i'm struggling for other positions.


Cech

King - Woodgate -

Hargreaves - Kaka - Diaby - Kewell

Owen - Ronaldo - Van basten - Torres
I guess we've found Garth Crooks' Caf account.
 

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I think Gündogan looked like he was destined for great things in 12/13, before his year long spinal injury, a damaged knee cap and an ACL rupture.
Falcao is another one who came straight to my mind.
 

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The last few days, with threads involving greatest non-United players have highlighted the distinction people make between pre-injury players and the shadow of themselves some become after the accursed damage is put upon them. Petr Cech is the reason for this thread, actually, as the pre-injury version was on course to be up there with the greatest keepers ever, but post-injury, he was still very, very good, but no longer in that phenomenal banding he was pre-helmet, which is a shame.

Ronaldo is the poster boy for this thread and I guess the bona fide starter up front given, prior to injury he was expected to become the greatest player of all-time outright, and post-injury was 'only' world class and nothing like the player he used to be.

Del Piero is another strong candidate. Just a ridiculous prodigy before he was injured. After that, he was never close to his previous levels and became a shadow of the player he was (testament to how incredible he was pre-injury, really).

Michael Own is yet another - his trajectory and brilliance were taken before he'd even got started, really. He was a good player post-injury, but not even close to the player he was prior.

Anyway, what's the greatest xi you can come up with whose true level of greatness was curtailed, or totally ruined, by injury? The only rule is they have to have kept on playing for some seasons after, so none of the likes of Van Basten, who simply retired, which is different kettle of fish to what the rest did.
Del Piero was still a great player for about 10 years after his ACL injury, he wasn’t as quick but his creativity improved a lot in this time to become a playmaker, so to say he was a shadow of his former self is silly.
 

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Michael Owen and Ronaldo up front - they were frighteningly good as teenagers.

Petr Cech in goal too.
 
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Ronaldo and van Basten for definite. Shearer before the first knee injury was some player.

Also Gazza, obviously.

Could Marco Reus have been an elite player? Certainly looked like he was on that trajectory.

Wonder if any city fans will dare to pipe up with Paul Lake?
Good call. Think he definitely would have been sought after thrived at an even bigger club, if not for his injuries and loyalty (yes, reallly) to BVB.
 

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Del Piero was still a great player for about 10 years after his ACL injury, he wasn’t as quick but his creativity improved a lot in this time to become a playmaker, so to say he was a shadow of his former self is silly.
That's the thing though. Ronaldo was still a fantastic footballer for 7-8 years, won Ballon d'Or and led his country to the World Cup but he wasn't as good as his early form promised. Same with Del Piero — he had a fantastic career and managed to adapt fantastically to his post-injury body, but he probably could've became one of the all-time greats (and not an elite player with a cult following) based on his potential.
 

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Del Piero was still a great player for about 10 years after his ACL injury, he wasn’t as quick but his creativity improved a lot in this time to become a playmaker, so to say he was a shadow of his former self is silly.
It's relative. And relative to what he was, he wasn't close to the player he burst out the traps as.

Pre-injury Del Piero was on a very different trajectory to what post-injury Del Piero was. Same goes for all of the ones mentioned.
 

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Jones - King - Walker - Caldow
Lentini - Gascoigne - Mackay - Del Piero
Ronaldo - Lubanski​
 

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Lentini - Gascoigne - Mackay - Del Piero
Ronaldo - Lubanski​
Did Mackay's leg breaks do him in then, or is that something else? I'm struggling for fullbacks, which is winding me up.
 

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I'm gonna mention a guy not many have heard of, Yassine Chikhaoui.

Born in 1986, he is a Tunisian attacking midfielder/forward who started his European career in Zurich, had excellent technique, shot, physicality (189 cm or 6 ' 3"). Several big European clubs were scouting him during the 2008 African Nations Cup, but he injured his knee shortly after that and took nearly two years to recover.

He managed to return, but was never the same player since. Spent years at Zurich before returning to Tunisia.

Not really a candidate for an all-time great but would have likely been among the best African players of his generation had he stayed injury free.

Would not make a pre injury XI, but a strong shout for a place on the bench.

Another candidate for a bench place is Dean Ashton imo. Probably the best stereotypical English striker in the 21st century.
 

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Did Mackay's leg breaks do him in then, or is that something else? I'm struggling for fullbacks, which is winding me up.
Yeah. Although he still had a great career with his leg breaking twice at 29, but looking at how successful Spurs were before and after, and how good Scotland were at that time, his legacy could have ramped up a couple of notches had he avoided the injury.
 

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Yeah. Although he still had a great career with his leg breaking twice at 29, but looking at how successful Spurs were before and after, and how good Scotland were at that time, his legacy could have ramped up a couple of notches had he avoided the injury.
That's interesting for me. I've known of his legend, but paid absolutely no mind to the fallout or remainder of his career, didn't even think to, actually.

Not a player I would've thought to associate with a thread like this!
 

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Kaka has to be in there somewhere. Absolutely terrifying on his day. Tore us a new one all on his own at some point.

Possebon anyone? :lol: