Neymar told ‘don’t go blubbering’

People say he deserves to be kicked because he's a diver, don't you understand that the more serious injuries he gets, the more he will protect himself by diving?

Also, why didn't people call for Griezmann to get a foot broken when he dived in the world cup final? Oh he's European and proper..
 
the_irish123 said:
People say he deserves to be kicked because he's a diver, don't you understand that the more serious injuries he gets, the more he will protect himself by diving?

Also, why didn't people call for Griezmann to get a foot broken when he dived in the world cup final? Oh he's European and proper..
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What came first, the diver or the kick. I don't endorse lashing out at him, but I struggle to sympathize with a player who so readily throws himself to the ground and play acts in order to manipulate a response out of the referee.

It's got nothing to do with him being European, that would be a pretty strange affinity to have.
 
Sauldogba said:
I know a few profesional footballers personally and i will tell you that they see showboating as disrespect.
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Because they're idiots of course. A normal person wouldn't feel disrespected by that. From memory of my extremely amateurish games I can perfectly understand what you're saying, that sort of reaction isn't exclusive of professional footballers. Some got pissed with it, others didn't. For me, at the time, and still today, amateurs and professionals, anyone who feels disrespected by that is being an idiot, and should rightfully be called that.

Is this ever a debate when Federer scores a point by hitting the ball between his legs?
 
The diving debate will rumble on until referees

a) start giving fouls even when players stay on their feet (after allowing advantage).
b) understand that diving and being fouled aren't mutually exclusive.
 
There's nothing wrong with showboating. Just because an opponent's skill makes you look bad doesn't give you the permissions to take out your frustration by kicking him down. Cnuts like that should be given long bans from football.
 
harms said:
When you’re making a foul in an order to stop an opponent when you’re not getting a ball cleanly, it’s one thing. When you’re kicking a player because he hurt your pride, it’s another. And it is nothing different to what Keane did to Haaland (aside from the severity of that tackle).
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What?

Keane’s was a little more extreme. Haaland stood over him and accused him of diving when he had done his cruciate. Hardly the same as a fecking rainbow flick.
 
I dislike showboating. And I don't watch football to see showboating or rainbow flicks or wahtever. If that's why you watch football, you may have chosen the wrong sport, because yu don't see these very often. I watch football to see teams compete respectfully. If you use your skills in a certain way, because it gives you the best chance to win the game, then fair enough. If you are a superior footballer/team, win the game, be happy about it and shake Hands with your collegues. But there is no need to rub your superiority in and humiliate your opponent. If you behave like a cnut to other people, don't be surprised if other people behave like cnuts towards you as well, in their own ways.
 
Irish Jet said:
What?

Keane’s was a little more extreme. Haaland stood over him and accused him of diving when he had done his cruciate. Hardly the same as a fecking rainbow flick.
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Of course it was more extreme, but resolving either situation with a physical response is equally wrong.
 
cyberman said:
It is the real world though. Getting close and physical with tricky players has been a staple of football for generations.
Its not even that bad most of the time. The worst Neymar tackle I've seen was made by Neymar himself.
He's always petulant and mouthing off, this is what happens. It's not just the skill that riles opponents.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ma...ball/2019/01/15/5c3e312d22601d0c638b462f.html
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The real world is full of assholes, that much is true. Neymar has several times been one of them. This thread shows the coach of Strasbourg and a few of his players to act even more assholish, and ludicrously blaming it on the real world. In fact, that the world has many of assholes is a really bad reason for deciding to be one yourself because of a fragile, but if you do, you should at least own up to it.

‘Neymar’s football tricks made me insecure of myself and I felt really small, and I can’t take that. But I am an asshole, so I told my players to kick him repeatedly. Now he is injured, so I feel more normal again.’
 
Ban said:
Just saw the video. Expected something brutal but of course it isn't. 2 fouls and a challenge for the ball. Strange he didn't roll on the floor for 5 minutes. Or he did?
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Football is really turning into something silly. It was nothing challenges and the reaction from both Tuchel and Neymar´s PR people are a joke.
How was this a brutal assault?
 
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There is no bigger cheat or disgrace in football than Neymar

Noone should be defending someone who is a total embarrassment to football . The sooner he is gone from the game the better
 
Grande said:
The real world is full of assholes, that much is true. Neymar has several times been one of them. This thread shows the coach of Strasbourg and a few of his players to act even more assholish, and ludicrously blaming it on the real world. In fact, that the world has many of assholes is a really bad reason for deciding to be one yourself because of a fragile, but if you do, you should at least own up to it.

‘Neymar’s football tricks made me insecure of myself and I felt really small, and I can’t take that. But I am an asshole, so I told my players to kick him repeatedly. Now he is injured, so I feel more normal again.’
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Except it's not about anyone feeling insecure at all. It's a footballer doing what he can to win a game of football - if that involves kicking and clearly riling an opposing player, then you just do it.

Baffles me that people have no competitive spirit these days. It's up to the players to win the game, nothing more or less. It's up to the referee to ref it, which he did - could make an argument that it should have been a yellow, but would have been a harsh yellow too. He didn't even go to ground ffs.
 
SquishyMcSquish said:
I feel like some people in this thread have never actually played football.


As someone who played right back, if I came up against a tricky winger then of course you give him a nibble. You have to let him know you're there and make it hard for him otherwise he'll enjoy himself far too much and you'll get rinsed.

It's all well and good saying 'you should try and stop him by legal means' but sometimes the opposition player is too skilled or too fast for you to deal with. In that case you have to do your best to make it a difficult game for him so he doesn't relish every 1vs1.
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This. Defending it exactly a dark art if you're serious about winning. feck them out of it with a shoulder or get your body in front of them.

The perfect sliding tackle is where you win the ball and take the man out in the process. If you injure him, even better. (without giving away a free as you won the ball first from a fair angle.. not from behind or high leg breaking foot.. etc).

I'm not a mean person, I just like to win. For example I play by the above rules and have 1 yellow card 0 reds in the last 5 seasons. You can be ruthless and legal in your approach.
 
I get the impression that this thread is full of posters who are brilliant at keepy uppy but rubbish at football.
 
Sauldogba said:
I know a few profesional footballers personally and i will tell you that they see showboating as disrespect.

Now lets move away from the football pitch and think of life in general.

if someone disrespected you in real life you wouldnt stand for it you might punch them or sometimes worse.

Not condoning it btw just telling you what it is.
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He did the rainbow flick after he was repeatedly fouled. The showboating arguement doesn’t work here.

Also, people saying ‘the kicks weren’t that bad’ are glossing over the comments from the Strasbourg coach and player. They’ve basically said, if you play with flicks and skill then it’s acceptable to kick you and be happy to brag about it. That’s a ridiculous attitude.
 
arthurka said:
Football is really turning into something silly. It was nothing challenges and the reaction from both Tuchel and Neymar´s PR people are a joke.
How was this a brutal assault?
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Nothing new from Neymar. Remember when he got injured for Brasil and cried about it.
 
Bunch of pussies in this thread. Neymar is the biggest diver in football. About time he got a good kicking
 
Gee Male said:
Except it's not about anyone feeling insecure at all. It's a footballer doing what he can to win a game of football - if that involves kicking and clearly riling an opposing player, then you just do it.

Baffles me that people have no competitive spirit these days. It's up to the players to win the game, nothing more or less. It's up to the referee to ref it, which he did - could make an argument that it should have been a yellow, but would have been a harsh yellow too. He didn't even go to ground ffs.
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Except if you read the OP, or the interviews with the Strasbourg player, or with the Strasbourg coach, it’s not about that at all. It’s nothing about ‘trying to win any eay you’re allowed to’. It’s very explicitly about the Starsbourg players feeling ‘mocked’ by Neymars ‘unnecessary’ trickery and punishing him for it, and defending themselves afterwards for it.

Besides, it should be completely unnecessary kicking Neymar to ground him, given he’ll normally fall down if you’re just in the vicinity of him ...
 
arthurka said:
Football is really turning into something silly. It was nothing challenges and the reaction from both Tuchel and Neymar´s PR people are a joke.
How was this a brutal assault?
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The reaction to this is a joke on the whole. A bunch of people who I doubt even bothered to read the article being outraged over it. You'd be forgiven for thinking Goncalves dropkicked Neymar in response to the flick after reading some of the posts here.

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I'm not responding to this episode though. The discussion has moved on to slightly different topics as well.
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Fair enough.
 
I think it's as much Neymars perogative to showboat as it is the defender's to shamelessly foul him.

That's football.

I respect the guy for coming out and calling a spade a spade.

From Sunday league to 5aside to the champions League boys are getting frustrated and kicking the feck out of each other. I wonder sometimes what people want football to be, sanitised, non contact, FIFA street?
 
Trizy said:
This. Defending it exactly a dark art if you're serious about winning. feck them out of it with a shoulder or get your body in front of them.

The perfect sliding tackle is where you win the ball and take the man out in the process. If you injure him, even better. (without giving away a free as you won the ball first from a fair angle.. not from behind or high leg breaking foot.. etc).

I'm not a mean person, I just like to win. For example I play by the above rules and have 1 yellow card 0 reds in the last 5 seasons. You can be ruthless and legal in your approach.
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Feels like people think that the attackers should just be left to do their thing because it's more entertaining.

If you're an attacking player (especially a tricky winger) you're going to get kicked and the defenders will try and bully you, that's part of the game, it's a physical sport.

Even the greatest defenders of all time had to foul and employ dark arts, in fact they did it more than most.

I wouldn't aim to injure or harm, but my job on the pitch isn't to make life easy for the attacker, or make him feel comfortable and happy playing. I want him to be fecking miserable and scared to try a skill.
 
An age old discussion. Limited teams/ players vs top quality opposition HAVE to explore every avenue to compete. A certain amount of robust physicality is of course fair enough. Once nobody is trying to injure anyone else, it's fair game and up to the referee to police. By all means let Neymar display his full range of skills but he'll have to accept the physical attention that anyone who dwells on the ball naturally attracts. It was ever thus.
 
Ibrahimorich said:
Bunch of pussies in this thread. Neymar is the biggest diver in football. About time he got a good kicking
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Halftrack said:
The reaction to this is a joke on the whole. A bunch of people who I doubt even bothered to read the article being outraged over it. You'd be forgiven for thinking Goncalves dropkicked Neymar in response to the flick after reading some of the posts here.
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It is still a contact sport and players who like to hog the ball as much a Neymar should be prepared for a good kicking here and there, this wasn´t good kicking by any stretch of the imagination.
Messi gets kicked all the time you don´t see him cry about it much.
 
Halftrack said:
Bolded is literally what happened. Goncalves didn't kick him, he tried to take the ball off him in a completely normal and nonviolent (albeit clumsy) manner. The rainbow flick happened afterwards.

Feckin' hell people, read the article and watch the video. Some of you are acting like he booted him on purpose for being fancy, when it was Neymar being fancy in response to being clumsily challenged.
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Schucks, was Neymar able to play on a bit after the incident in the video? Because that's the incident that injured him, right?
 
Showboating is about context. If you do it to a losing team, you are asking for a kicking.

As it were I actually like that neymar did it in response to getting kicked all over. It's an appropriate response to primitive tactics.

Doesn't change that neymar still needs to stop with the ridiculous over acting.
 
Ish said:
Schucks, was Neymar able to play on a bit after the incident in the video? Because that's the incident that injured him, right?
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I believe so. He probably thought it was a knock he could walk off at first.
 
So many people salivating over a top player getting kicked. When did we become a Stoke forum?
 
Personally, I detest this "showing lack of respect" notion when a player does fancy tricks tyat could be deemed as showboating/humiliating.
However, the player doing those fancy has to know what's coming to him, he will get physically abused and even hurt.
It's a risk/reward thing that a player has to consider. I will never condone kicking a player, no matter how much of a cheat he is. That's fecked up, I'd hope refs would book his diving ass though
 
When someone dives and cheats, rolls around and generally acts like a dick as much as Neymar I think they pretty much advocate being kicked.

He's going to pretend you kicked him, fool the referee into thinking you did and try to get you punished for it anyway. You might as well actually do it. It's not like he's going to die or get injured.

During the Liverpool game he was being such a bellend I ended up kind of cheering for them.
 
Dave89 said:
So many people salivating over a top player getting kicked. When did we become a Stoke forum?
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:)
Remember, we taught Ryan Shawcross everything he knows!

I recall with some pleasure a game between Manchester United and Arsenal, and the treatment meted out to Jose Antonio Reyes, back in 2004. Reyes was Arsenal's sparkling new signing, had started his Arsenal career well, and looked set to become the next big thing. After this encounter with the Neville brothers, with some assistance from Scholes, he was mentally booking his flight back to Spain before the first half was over. It looked like a premeditated policy to neutralise a dangerous opponent, and it was - Gary Neville has subsequently admitted as much (in his autobiography Neville talks of one occasion where, after being nutmegged by Reyes, he “went through him” but blames the Spaniard entirely for his own lack of success, saying he “wasn’t tough enough to take it”, he “couldn’t properly handle the rough and tumble”.)

Good players get clattered - all part of the fun. Great players learn how to deal with it (with very few tears being shed I'd guess).
 
Arruda said:
Because they're idiots of course. A normal person wouldn't feel disrespected by that. From memory of my extremely amateurish games I can perfectly understand what you're saying, that sort of reaction isn't exclusive of professional footballers. Some got pissed with it, others didn't. For me, at the time, and still today, amateurs and professionals, anyone who feels disrespected by that is being an idiot, and should rightfully be called that.

Is this ever a debate when Federer scores a point by hitting the ball between his legs?
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That is a daft comparison at best, considering tennis players only do that when absolutely necessary.
 
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