Also good friends with Angel Gomes. Here's hoping!
Jadon Sancho | First player in Bundesliga history to score 25 goals before his 20th birthday
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This point makes no sense at all.
Ideally we'd go for him and be successful getting him this summer but I'd fine with him developing a further 12 months at Dortmund and then getting him next summer if the price isn't massively different. I doubt he'd be that much cheaper than what they sold Dembele for though unfortunately.
So, when supposed club affiliation didn't matter back then, why should it be a factor now(or, lets say soon)?
Sancho is a rapidly ascending player who is under contract at Dortmund until 2022. He transfer fee could easily be twice what it is now by the summer of 2021. Unless forced by a transfer demand, I don't see Dortmund selling until 2021 when they should get a record fee. And it would be in Sancho's interest to be sold for a record fee because then he would be deemed worthy of record wages when he moves to his next club. United should pay Suso's release clause (40m euros) to cover RW until 2021 when they'll be one of the few clubs that can pay a record fee for Sancho.
Not a United fan.
The Liverpool flop?
Along his current trajectory and ascension, you're talking about a £100m-£130m or whatever player becoming a £200m player or more. Add on the Euros, as Dortmund would not sell before he performed in those, and you have potentially world record transfer fee territory unless Kane or Neymar move on in the interim.
100 and something million may well be seen as a steal in the current marketplace, much like the £89m we got Pogba for now looks like excellent business.
It all comes down to what you think this kid is going to become, ultimately. If you are in the camp of him being a potential superstar, then there'll be no hesitation to pay whatever is necessary to get him in. If you believe it's hype and he's not the real deal, things will get sketchy for you with his 'worth' cap closing in at an extraordinary rate and your club then being out of the race before things even get juicy.
Unless you're Real Madrid or a petro club, it would be insane to wait for him to potentially explode on such a grand stage as the Euros before making your move, I think.
This same measure also applies to the Champions League this season and next - you really don't want him taking the competition by storm before you've bid unless you're prepared for the massive increase in his valuation off the back of doing it in the CL on the grandest stage in club football.
I bet his agent is getting calls left, right and centre as it is... I've no doubts the kid will be getting tapped up by all interested parties soon enough, too.
If we decided to save some money on a CB by giving Jones a new contract it is fine if we invest in this kid instead. We have Martial and Rashford and the fact Sancho plays on the right, is a United-fan, friends with a lot of our academy boys etc. makes him the perfect fit. It will set us up nicely where we don't really have to worry about any more forward signings. Especially considering who we have knocking on the door from the academy. We could just pay whatever to get him quick, then spend rest of the window trying to offload Rojo, Lukaku and Sanchez and whatever money we get can be used in other areas.
Yeah, maybe Alderweireld at 25m plus Sancho and then money left over for a right-back. That's not a bad summer.
What makes you think they're friends?
I personally believe from an investment standpoint it makes a lot of sense to buy him this summer.
From a business prospective if you believe a certain stock or share is in its infancy but shows huge potential you would look to do a deal sooner rather than later.
Letting it play out and continue to grow would only increase its value.
From a business prospective if you believe a certain stock or share is in its infancy but shows huge potential you would look to do a deal sooner rather than later.
Letting it play out and continue to grow would only increase its value.
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Yeah, something like that. I don't think Alderweireld is good enough at all anymore but thats just me.
I’d be fine with Wan Bisakka, Maguire and Maguire. Maybe that’s £200m and then go for Rice the following summer. I’ve always liked the idea of as many domestic players as possible if they are of the right quality and temperament.
BOGOF?
I didn't say it should matter, just that the question you asked was wrong. I don't even think Sancho is ManUtd fan.
Yeah Rashford probably knows Sancho from internationals, but it’s more likely Sancho is friends with the likes of Gomes who he’d of played with and against several times.
We also need midfielders, badly, and not to get at least one in the summer would be negligent in the extreme.
Outlay for Sancho is one thing, but purchase in lieu of strengthening other areas of the pitch shouldn't happen. That's not to say don't go for Sancho, as you must do so regardless, imo, but rather, that we either generate [a lot of] money through sales and offloading of massive earners who aren't fit for purpose, to get in players who are, or we pay now and look to rebalance the books over the following transfer windows.
If he [Sancho] can be had this summer, then it's a summer you have to think would be the most costly in the history of the club:
An elite CB - apparently we're lining up Koulibaly
An elite CM - hopefully two. I don't think this necessarily has to be an established name at peak price; Barca got Vidal and Artur for a collective pittance, and that's the kind of model I hope we could emulate, if the stars align.
A good fullback - might well be the position to forfeit if any must be sacrificed.
A quality eclectic forward (if we are to assume Rashford is going to be the main man and that both Sanchez and Lukaku will be moved on)
Sancho.
If you're talking the types of players that enhance us and make us both title-challenging and able to offer a solid rotation and rest for others, it's a small fortune, but it's about time we act like giants we always profess to be and give this squad the platform to genuinely challenge for the title and get ourselves back up there with the best squads in not just England, but Europe.
Outlay for Sancho is one thing, but purchase in lieu of strengthening other areas of the pitch shouldn't happen. That's not to say don't go for Sancho, as you must do so regardless, imo, but rather, that we either generate [a lot of] money through sales and offloading of massive earners who aren't fit for purpose, to get in players who are, or we pay now and look to rebalance the books over the following transfer windows.
If he [Sancho] can be had this summer, then it's a summer you have to think would be the most costly in the history of the club:
An elite CB - apparently we're lining up Koulibaly
An elite CM - hopefully two. I don't think this necessarily has to be an established name at peak price; Barca got Vidal and Artur for a collective pittance, and that's the kind of model I hope we could emulate, if the stars align.
A good fullback - might well be the position to forfeit if any must be sacrificed.
A quality eclectic forward (if we are to assume Rashford is going to be the main man and that both Sanchez and Lukaku will be moved on)
Sancho.
If you're talking the types of players that enhance us and make us both title-challenging and able to offer a solid rotation and rest for others, it's a small fortune, but it's about time we act like giants we always profess to be and give this squad the platform to genuinely challenge for the title and get ourselves back up there with the best squads in not just England, but Europe.
So Chelsea are going to sign Pulisic and his Dortmund replacement Sancho in the same summer?
Like I said in the other thread WTF is with all these nonsensical Chelsea fans cropping up on this forum these days?
If Ole or Poch is in charge of us next season, I'm sure we'll have be looking to bring him in.
This thread just makes me sad, I’m sure we won’t sign him this summer not because we won’t try but simply because Dortmund won’t sell, and in 2020 we will face a lot more competition. I think its highly improbable that we end up signing him ever.
Could he potentially play as a central attacker that overlaps martial & Rashford playing as strikers?
In a more simple way - can he do what Lingard does as a false nine with all that movement that creates space for the forwards we have?
Can Sancho start centrally before drifting wide to the free spaces ie - ?
Starting from :
Martial - Sancho- Rashford
To
Sancho - Martial - Rashford
Or
Martial - Rashford - Sancho
depending on where the space opens up?
From what I have seen Sancho is a creator & is able to get on both sides of the pitch - providing an element of significant width to Dortmund's attack.
Rashford & Martial are much better forwards than wingers & their attack gets toned down the wider they play. If Sancho can start in the middle & drift to wide left or right - this should allow martial & Rashford to get in to deadly positions in front of goal by him taking their positions & creating chances for them from out wide.
This is something that Lingard does already & whilst not the most clinical; is a vital part of holding an element of fluidity in our front 3 that makes the opposition defence Always without failure face a front 3; never less whilst also making it compact, short & quick.
Iv got no issues with Sancho coming here as a RW only - but a part of me has this feeling that as a pure winger at RW that our attack gets a tad lopsided since we would have these forwards playing in wide areas whilst having a more creative winger down the right. I'd rather see Sancho start centrally then drift in to free spaces to create whilst martial & Rashford tap in against the goalie non stop.
In a more simple way - can he do what Lingard does as a false nine with all that movement that creates space for the forwards we have?
Can Sancho start centrally before drifting wide to the free spaces ie - ?
Starting from :
Martial - Sancho- Rashford
To
Sancho - Martial - Rashford
Or
Martial - Rashford - Sancho
depending on where the space opens up?
From what I have seen Sancho is a creator & is able to get on both sides of the pitch - providing an element of significant width to Dortmund's attack.
Rashford & Martial are much better forwards than wingers & their attack gets toned down the wider they play. If Sancho can start in the middle & drift to wide left or right - this should allow martial & Rashford to get in to deadly positions in front of goal by him taking their positions & creating chances for them from out wide.
This is something that Lingard does already & whilst not the most clinical; is a vital part of holding an element of fluidity in our front 3 that makes the opposition defence Always without failure face a front 3; never less whilst also making it compact, short & quick.
Iv got no issues with Sancho coming here as a RW only - but a part of me has this feeling that as a pure winger at RW that our attack gets a tad lopsided since we would have these forwards playing in wide areas whilst having a more creative winger down the right. I'd rather see Sancho start centrally then drift in to free spaces to create whilst martial & Rashford tap in against the goalie non stop.
How would you know, this team have never had a right winger since.. I don't even know. Valencia? Obertan? I'm sure Sancho can play a role closer to Lingard if needed, but just to have the option of switching our play to the right so Martial can move inside the box, or just closer to goal seems almost farfetched but a delicious thought.
Others can offer their perspective on this, but for me, you want Sancho out wide for the simple reason that he draws players towards him, needs multiple bodies to try and contain (the one going to him being covered by someone trying to sweep, and in some instances another trying to run/press and railroad him) in which case, he's freeing up massive amounts of space for clever players in the middle to exploit.
I think with his technical ability, intelligence and reading of the game, playing through the middle could well be in his future, and as an atypical wide-man, the transition or switching to and fro, wouldn't be much of a problem - a template for that is perhaps Messi. Obviously the onus is not on comparing their abilities outright, but rather what someone small with exceptional close control, intelligence and situational awareness can do when moved from wide to central areas, however:
@do.ob statement in this regard rings a bell because Sancho's passing is not incisive in its own right, like Messi's was even before he became a playmaker. Sancho's passing is brilliant thus far because he switches the play at the exact right time to make a complex situation a very simple one where a cutback of his looks like something genial because of how he's beguiled so many players beforehand before putting a pass on a plate for a now-open team-mate.
The difference through the middle is he won't get time to work and isolate as often, so would have to play passes through packed central areas whilst having more bodies coming at him from all angles than he gets out wide. He's not shown he can just slot passes through defenses without doing a copious amount of dribbling prior to pass-release yet, so he'd either be reliant on counters, where holes then opens up or having to do a lot of extra work through magical footwork to force bodies onto himself to then slot through or triangulate and work space that way.
Lingard's biggest asset is massive amounts of clever off the ball movements, Sancho's is having the ball itself and drawing players on to him. It'd take a hell of a lot of effort on Sancho's part to move as ceaselessly as Lingard does and I think you'd be looking at a very different, more ball-hoggy player through the middle with Sancho there, who wouldn't be as willing to make continuous off the ball runs, because his nature is to come to the ball and work with it, not have others find him in space.
He's only 18 and there's plenty of time for such things to develop in his game, but I think wide positions make the most sense for him and the game he currently has than central. I think Pogba and Rashford would be the biggest benefactors of Sancho on the right as the more bodies he draws, the more space both of them get to work in. Even Martial would find he has more space to work in because teams would have to decide how they're going to try and mark as well as cover for such a mobile, fluid unit who all need a double-team to really contain.
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If he goes into the last year of his contract (6 months from negotiating a free transfer abroad) then his fee will drop massively not go up.
After Euro 2020 he’ll move. His stock will be too high and he’ll deliver on the big stage. All the big clubs will be scrambling.
What a goal he just scored to put Dortmund in the lead.
well taken goal
Oh man, Sancho just made that player look foolish
What a player. When you see his highlights from today, honestly! Made a mug of the Hoffenheim LB about 3 times in a row just now.
Give them whatever it takes... guy would complete our attack and give us Martial-Rashford-Sancho for the next 6-7 years at least.
If we need 150m, give it to them. Signing Sancho and Koulibaly and nothing else for 250m would still make it a fantastic summer.
If we need 150m, give it to them. Signing Sancho and Koulibaly and nothing else for 250m would still make it a fantastic summer.
Unstoppable. Just set up the second now.
Absurd footballer. He’s having fun today. It’s so natural to him.
Just walking past players. We need to throw it all at Dortmund this summer.
We have to be in for him. 100%.
Cracking game from him today 
------------------------------DDG
Wan Bissaka Lindelöf Koulibaly Shaw
-----------------------------Neves
---------------------Herrera - Pogba
-----------------------------Sancho
-------------------Rashford - Martial
OGS as the manager with the same staff.
If we could pull this off. It would be just wow.
Give Shaw one more year to improve and start to find a replacement for Herrera in 1-2 years. This team can fight for both PL and CL.
Wan Bissaka Lindelöf Koulibaly Shaw
-----------------------------Neves
---------------------Herrera - Pogba
-----------------------------Sancho
-------------------Rashford - Martial
OGS as the manager with the same staff.
If we could pull this off. It would be just wow.
Give Shaw one more year to improve and start to find a replacement for Herrera in 1-2 years. This team can fight for both PL and CL.
I think for this summer 150 wouldn't be enough. They don't want and don't need to sell him now, he still has some years left on his contract. Would have to be an astrocious sum (200+?) to change their mind.
He is not going to move this summer, but we need someone on the RW.