Time For Ole To Show His Mettle

[SAFMUTD]

I think he made mistakes in the subs, but looking at our bench there were not many options.

The difference in quality was evident, we need a major rebuild with at least 4-5 quality players before we can challenge for mahor titles.

 

[Ban]

Didnt learn a thing from Cardiff.

 

[Roboc7]

Made wrong decisions with subs, it happens. Have to see how team recovers and what Ole does now if Martial and Lingard are out but reality is this team isn’t much better than last 16 of champions league.

 

[Catt]

Didnt learn a thing from Cardiff.

I hear ya

 

[Garethw]

I said it in the match day thread and I will say it again here. If he is appointed full time manager then he needs a Carlos Queiroz style tactical coach to be added to his team. We just didn't seem to have a clue on how to counter Tuchel's tactics tonight.

 

[Kush]

Stop with the revisionism, both Lingard and Martial played the entire 1st half and couldn’t do anything apart from blowing every counter.

Ole got schooled tactically by Tuchel tonight, there’s no need to sugercoat it. We were struggling from minute 1 due to their wingbacks and pressing along with 343 formation. Ole made 2 changes at HT but persisted with the same formation and tactics. To no ones surprise it didn’t work.

I don’t recall us being outclassed this much since City beat us at home 2 and a half years ago. PSG are a very good side but they shouldn’t be coming to OT and batter us with such ease. And they aren’t even amongst the top top European team, imagine what Barcelona would do to us?

Also these lost to a Lyon side a week ago, a full strength side lost to Liverpool earlier in the season as well.

 

[Ish]

The only mettle he should show is if he’s give the permanent job, is to identify the 3-4 positions we definitely need quality in and to move on even more of these deadwood, squad players.

They’re simply not good enough to challenge.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

Stop with the revisionism, both Lingard and Martial played the entire 1st half and couldn’t do anything apart from blowing every counter.

Ole got schooled tactically by Tuchel tonight, there’s no need to sugercoat it. We were struggling from minute 1 due to their wingbacks and pressing along with 343 formation. Ole made 2 changes at HT but persisted with the same formation and tactics. To no ones surprise it didn’t work.

I don’t recall us being outclassed this much since City beat us at home 2 and a half years ago. PSG are a very good side but they shouldn’t be coming to OT and batter us with such ease. And they aren’t even amongst the top top European team, imagine what Barcelona would do to us?

Also these lost to a Lyon side a week ago, a full strength side lost to Liverpool earlier in the season as well.

I don't necessarily disagree with you, but at full strength, PSG are definitely a top top European team.

With Neymar out though, I thought we had a chance. An open tie.

I didn't expect us to look that bad though. It was an eye-opener.

 

[Shiva87]

Bouncebackability!

 

[Majima]

At half-time i was thinking this is a big team-talk coming up for Ole. At that point the signs were there, we had been figured out by Tuchel, collectively frozen and it looked a matter of time until PSG finally scored.

I was still hopeful that Ole would be able to sort it out and have a trick up his sleeve for Tuchel but it just never came. Nothing happened.

That was very disappointing to see... Tonight is the night where i started looking at Ole differently.

Definitely an eye-opener for me.

 

[Ed9]

All the clever people who knew this would have come but didn't say it until now when it's over...
It's quite easy to see, our backup players aren't good enough to replace the starters. We're strong when in full strenght, we struggle when not.

 

[TMDaines]

Chelsea away and Liverpool at home, each six days apart is a perfect acid test now to demonstrate that the start to Ole’s career was positive variance. Chelsea are a perfectly obtainable scalp and Liverpool another test to show authority at home

 

[Kag]

At half-time i was thinking this is a big team-talk coming up for Ole. At that point the signs were there, we had been figured out by Tuchel, collectively frozen and it looked a matter of time until PSG finally scored.

I was still hopeful that Ole would be able to sort it out and have a trick up his sleeve for Tuchel but it just never came. Nothing happened.

That was very disappointing to see... Tonight is the night where i started looking at Ole differently.

Definitely an eye-opener for me.

Do you have any idea how daft this post is?

 

[jem]

At half-time i was thinking this is a big team-talk coming up for Ole. At that point the signs were there, we had been figured out by Tuchel, collectively frozen and it looked a matter of time until PSG finally scored.

I was still hopeful that Ole would be able to sort it out and have a trick up his sleeve for Tuchel but it just never came. Nothing happened.

That was very disappointing to see... Tonight is the night where i started looking at Ole differently.

Definitely an eye-opener for me.

there is something so annoyingly self-involved about this post.

 

[Jonno]

At half-time i was thinking this is a big team-talk coming up for Ole. At that point the signs were there, we had been figured out by Tuchel, collectively frozen and it looked a matter of time until PSG finally scored.

I was still hopeful that Ole would be able to sort it out and have a trick up his sleeve for Tuchel but it just never came. Nothing happened.

That was very disappointing to see... Tonight is the night where i started looking at Ole differently.

Definitely an eye-opener for me.

He was forced into making 2 substitutions at half time, there’s not much he could have done other than being Lukaku on earlier. Which wouldn’t have helped in the slightest

Our press in the 1st half was working, we were causing them a few problems. They should have had a man sent off, the very man who scored a lucky goal.

Lots went against us tonight and against an incredibly good side.

 

[mariachi-19]

Needed to bring Lukaku on instead of Mata and move Sanchez to the middle of the Park.

Have Rashford and Lukaku hit the channels in behind their fullbacks.

 

[Schmeichel=God]

straws for Mourinho to clutch at finally

 

[Majima]

Do you have any idea how daft this post is?

there is something so annoyingly self-involved about this post.

What's wrong with me offering my thoughts immediately following the match? This is a discussion board isn't it?

He was forced into making 2 substitutions at half time, there’s not much he could have done other than being Lukaku on earlier. Which wouldn’t have helped in the slightest

Our press in the 1st half was working, we were causing them a few problems. They should have had a man sent off, the very man who scored a lucky goal.

Lots went against us tonight and against an incredibly good side.

I agree that on another night, things could have been different but i'm talking about events that happened. It's irrelevant to me that Kimpembe scored after he was fortunate to not have been sent off. Because Ole should have been able to come up with a solution to us being out-played in the first half. He would have seen that half too.

At half-time, anyone could see that the team had been figured out by Tuchel. He had Pogba marked out the game and we were unable to do anything about it. If that's all it takes to neutralise us, we're in trouble.

I disagree that we were 'causing them a few problems'. It was comfortable for PSG. How many chances did we create in the 1st half? We were schooled.

It was up to Ole to turn things around; counter Tuchel, lift the players and he never did. That cannot be argued surely?

 

[Schmeichel=God]

He was forced into making 2 substitutions at half time, there’s not much he could have done other than being Lukaku on earlier. Which wouldn’t have helped in the slightest

Our press in the 1st half was working, we were causing them a few problems. They should have had a man sent off, the very man who scored a lucky goal.

Lots went against us tonight and against an incredibly good side.

Perfect run down of events.

I'm disappointed, but that is how it can be explained. We weren't disgraced. This was not a Bilbao of many years back, not a Sevilla of Jose time, nor a Celta where we won but were so poor. We were unlucky and I just hope we acquit ourselves well in the return leg.

 

[Ronaldo's ego]

It’s a shame Ole he had to call upon pathetic backup in the most important game of the season so far. This isn’t on him, he can only work with what he has. Big improvements still needed

 

[2 man midfield]

We looked like we had no plan b. Once our usual gameplan went out the window we looked lost. Absolutely no attacking threat is going to stop you winning games, so I don't blame Ole at all. I didn't see much he did wrong tonight, I'd blame the referee and bad luck before him.

 

[Kag]

What's wrong with me offering my thoughts immediately following the match? This is a discussion board isn't it?


I agree that on another night, things could have been different but i'm talking about events that happened. It's irrelevant to me that Kimpembe scored after he was fortunate to not have been sent off. Because Ole should have been able to come up with a solution to us being out-played in the first half. He would have seen that half too.

At half-time, anyone could see that the team had been figured out by Tuchel. He had Pogba marked out the game and we were unable to do anything about it. If that's all it takes to neutralise us, we're in trouble.

I disagree that we were 'causing them a few problems'. It was comfortable for PSG. How many chances did we create in the 1st half? We were schooled.

It was up to Ole to turn things around; counter Tuchel, lift the players and he never did. That cannot be argued surely?

Nothing is wrong with it. We’re just entitled to think that they’re a bit daft.

What specific tactics employed by this football guru Tuchel was Ole unable to counter? Please explain it before Jonathan Wilson writes something similar in the Telegraph tomorrow.

Because to my eye, I watched two teams cancel eachother out and struggle to create meaningful chances for 55 minutes. They both gave the ball away in good attacking areas for the full of the first half.

Then our game plan was blown to pieces by injuries to two important players and we didn’t have the replacements to pin PSG back.

Then we conceded a stupid goal from a set piece in what must have been PSG’s first attempt on goal. Sorry, it was their second. The first was thirty seconds prior.

 

[Jaap]

Our results have strangely made Pochettino a worse Manager & lifted Ole to new heights.
We are jumping the gun here. If we have a chance to install Pochettino, we should bloody do so. Ole "gets" United but he's been made a better Manager than he is.

 

[Revan]

Our results have strangely made Pochettino a worse Manager & lifted Ole to new heights.
We are jumping the gun here. If we have a chance to install Pochettino, we should bloody do so. Ole "gets" United but he's been made a better Manager than he is.

Remind me which European tie Pochettino has ever won? Was it against Gent? Or Genk? Wait, he lost that too.

 

[Sarni]

Stop with the revisionism, both Lingard and Martial played the entire 1st half and couldn’t do anything apart from blowing every counter.

Ole got schooled tactically by Tuchel tonight, there’s no need to sugercoat it. We were struggling from minute 1 due to their wingbacks and pressing along with 343 formation. Ole made 2 changes at HT but persisted with the same formation and tactics. To no ones surprise it didn’t work.

I don’t recall us being outclassed this much since City beat us at home 2 and a half years ago. PSG are a very good side but they shouldn’t be coming to OT and batter us with such ease. And they aren’t even amongst the top top European team, imagine what Barcelona would do to us?

Also these lost to a Lyon side a week ago, a full strength side lost to Liverpool earlier in the season as well.

Honestly, you don’t remember us this outclassed in the last 2 and a half years? Must have an extremely short memory.

 

[Kush]

Honestly, you don’t remember us this outclassed in the last 2 and a half years? Must have an extremely short memory.

You can refresh my memory, I certainly can’t recall us looking so far off the opposition side we were playing.

Again I’m not saying this is the worst we’ve played for 2.5 years, it’s how bad we were made to look by a superior side.

 

[Jaap]

Remind me which European tie Pochettino has ever won? Was it against Gent? Or Genk? Wait, he lost that too.

Beat Dortmund home and away, beat Real at home, drew at the Bernabeu & the Nou Camp while playing refreshing, modern football. Oh, wait, you forgot, right?

 

[Sarni]

You can refresh my memory, I certainly can’t recall us looking so far off the opposition side we were playing.

Again I’m not saying this is the worst we’ve played for 2.5 years, it’s how bad we were made to look by a superior side.

You don’t think we looked equally bad (or actually much worse) for example in the game that lost Mourinho the job?

Actually last year against Sevilla we looked even worse. And they weren’t even a good side.

I don’t think PSG were even that good tonight though.

 

[Revan]

Beat Dortmund home and away, beat Real at home, drew at the Bernabeu & the Nou Camp while playing refreshing, modern football. Oh, wait, you forgot, right?

KO ties please, not the child play which is the group stage.

 

[Kush]

You don’t think we looked equally bad (or actually much worse) for example in the game that lost Mourinho the job?

Actually last year against Sevilla we looked even worse. And they weren’t even a good side.

I don’t think PSG were even that good tonight though.

Again you seem to be missing the point, we have put in worse performances but even despite putting a decent one tonight we were still comprehensively beaten by a side who looked superior in all aspects. I only recall City making me feel like this in the past 2.5 years. Just better at doing everything.

 

[Majima]

Nothing is wrong with it. We’re just entitled to think that they’re a bit daft.

What specific tactics employed by this football guru Tuchel was Ole unable to counter? Please explain it before Jonathan Wilson writes something similar in the Telegraph tomorrow.

Because to my eye, I watched two teams cancel eachother out and struggle to create meaningful chances for 55 minutes. They both gave the ball away in good attacking areas for the full of the first half.

Then our game plan was blown to pieces by injuries to two important players and we didn’t have the replacements to pin PSG back.

Then we conceded a stupid goal from a set piece in what must have been PSG’s first attempt on goal. Sorry, it was their second. The first was thirty seconds prior.

I'm not saying Tuchel is a guru. He done things we would expect any team to try and implement against us. It was simple.

The difference is their team is top quality. He had Marquinhos stuck to Pogba like glue all night. So Pogba couldn't control the game for us like he normally does. That then forces us to have Matic/Herrera be responsible to orchestrate our build-up which they were incapable of doing. Because they haven't got the legs to travel with the ball from deep vs a crowded center of the pitch. Lindelof cannot push forward to help out with the threat of Mbappe pinning them back.

He played a narrow back three, closing the inside-spaces for our forwards to exploit. They can't go wide because Alves and Bernat are there. Rashford & Martial are then suffocated.

I'm not saying i have the answers for Ole but we were completely out-played tonight. It wasn't unlucky at all.

 

[Garethw]

He was forced into making 2 substitutions at half time, there’s not much he could have done other than being Lukaku on earlier. Which wouldn’t have helped in the slightest

Our press in the 1st half was working, we were causing them a few problems. They should have had a man sent off, the very man who scored a lucky goal.

Lots went against us tonight and against an incredibly good side.

Agreed. Lingard was incredibly wasteful in possession and Martial was having one of those days. I'm not entirely sure if Ole is the permanent answer or not, but there is feck all he could do about two of his wide forwards playing so poorly (first and second half in fact).

 

[Gasolin]

I'm not saying Tuchel is a guru. He done things we would expect any team to try and implement against us. It was simple.

The difference is their team is top quality. He had Marquinhos stuck to Pogba like glue all night. So Pogba couldn't control the game for us like he normally does. That then forces us to have Matic/Herrera be responsible to orchestrate our build-up which they were incapable of doing. Because they haven't got the legs to travel with the ball from deep vs a crowded center of the pitch. Lindelof cannot push forward to help out with the threat of Mbappe pinning them back.

He played a narrow back three, closing the inside-spaces for our forwards to exploit. They can't go wide because Alves and Bernat are there. Rashford & Martial are then suffocated.

I'm not saying i have the answers for Ole but we were completely out-played tonight. It wasn't unlucky at all.

Ok it's frustrating, and I also don't know why Martial and Rashford could not just test a bit this defense by also going in between the 3 defenders instead of playing wide, just to force some kind of move. It's a worry that Pogba man marked was enough to kill us, normally if he gets man market, Rashford and Martial should be available for long balls at least.

 

[Grande]

I said it in the match day thread and I will say it again here. If he is appointed full time manager then he needs a Carlos Queiroz style tactical coach to be added to his team. We just didn't seem to have a clue on how to counter Tuchel's tactics tonight.

Stuff like this is .. I don’t know what it is.

We play a better, more experienced team, with much more experience in games like these. We play an even first 45 minutes, slightly better the first half of it, slightly worse the last half of it. If Martial beats Verratis tackle on that counter, maybe we’re up 1-0. OK, Verrati is one of the worlds best at that, but he throws the dice, because he is under pressure. Tuchel was clearly more frustrated than usual with his teams play in the first half. What was Tuchel’s great move? Injury to both United’s oulets around Rashford? Smart move, because that did change the game.

The one thing Solskjær could have done differently, was bringing Lukaku on at half time, accepted to cede concession and play on the counter. I thin he should have tried that, although none of us knows if it would have worked. The only ace up Tuchel’s sleeve, is that he has players like M’Bappe and Di Maria even when Neymar and Cavani is missing.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Stop with the revisionism, both Lingard and Martial played the entire 1st half and couldn’t do anything apart from blowing every counter.

Ole got schooled tactically by Tuchel tonight, there’s no need to sugercoat it. We were struggling from minute 1 due to their wingbacks and pressing along with 343 formation. Ole made 2 changes at HT but persisted with the same formation and tactics. To no ones surprise it didn’t work.

I don’t recall us being outclassed this much since City beat us at home 2 and a half years ago. PSG are a very good side but they shouldn’t be coming to OT and batter us with such ease. And they aren’t even amongst the top top European team, imagine what Barcelona would do to us?

Also these lost to a Lyon side a week ago, a full strength side lost to Liverpool earlier in the season as well.

 

[minoo-utd]

He needs to addresses the weaknesses we have for years. Full backs and right wing as a start, and shipp off a few. Simple, but he needs to speak so loud to the Glazers who surely want to renew contracts and not spend huge on new players.

 

[Garethw]

Stuff like this is .. I don’t know what it is.

We play a better, more experienced team, with much more experience in games like these. We play an even first 45 minutes, slightly better the first half of it, slightly worse the last half of it. If Martial beats Verratis tackle on that counter, maybe we’re up 1-0. OK, Verrati is one of the worlds best at that, but he throws the dice, because he is under pressure. Tuchel was clearly more frustrated than usual with his teams play in the first half. What was Tuchel’s great move? Injury to both United’s oulets around Rashford? Smart move, because that did change the game.

The one thing Solskjær could have done differently, was bringing Lukaku on at half time, accepted to cede concession and play on the counter. I thin he should have tried that, although none of us knows if it would have worked. The only ace up Tuchel’s sleeve, is that he has players like M’Bappe and Di Maria even when Neymar and Cavani is missing.

So the great Sir Alex Ferguson deemed a Carlos Quieroz necessary to his backroom staff, but to even suggest Ole needs an equivalent is... to you?

 

[Patrick08]

Putting mata on was a wrong move in the end, Rashford and Lukaku on either wings and Sanchez in the middle would have been better.

 

[Garethw]

Losing games is inevitable. How he picks the team up after this will be the acid test.

 

[Paxi]

Beat Dortmund home and away, beat Real at home, drew at the Bernabeu & the Nou Camp while playing refreshing, modern football. Oh, wait, you forgot, right?

Yeah I forgot the part where you get a trophy for that.