[Poll] Next permanent United manager

[Keefy18]

I agree we like to think of ourselves this way, I agree management believe in the idea of giving managers time, but our record post SAF tells a different story. The problem is, "abundantly clear the plan isnt working" is a very subjective concept, there are no indicators to quantify this against. There may be a difference in when Woodward regards something as "abundantly clear" versus when Real presidents think it, but this difference can probably be measured in weeks or maybe months.

We talk the talk when it comes to giving managers time and space, but we havent backed that up at this point - and most fans would say rightfully so. Having said that, backing managers when theyre winning and have the fans onside is easy, and most clubs do that. OK, some fans will say former managers have failed because of style as much as results, but then Madrid might well sayu the same thing.

Poch will look at us and I suspect he'll conclude that if he does not have us competing for the CL qualification spots he is going to be under considerable pressure. No doubt managing Madrid invites more pressure, but if we think we are morally superior to Madrid in the way we handle our managers we are really kidding ourselves.

They've appointed nearly 3 times as many managers in their history as United have. In many instances, most have had less than 50 games in charge (a season). I do agree to an extent about what you are saying in that I don't buy into the "we are not a sacking club", we are when it suits.

Real sack their top managers for little or no reason, look at ZZ recently. Three CL wins on the bounce a La Liga and the rest. He isn't alone in this respect either, Carlo was another successful manager relieved of his duties for being a success. There are other examples in recent history as well.

This is the difference, would United sack a manager winning leagues and Champions leagues? Not a chance they would, Real on the other hand?

The problem in recent times is that this has all stemmed from one bad appointment in Moyes and we've struggled to steady the ship since. The options available at times of sacking / hiring new manager haven't been great either. We had a chance at Pep but we ballsed that one up royally due to miscommunication from all reports. Klopp turned us down and most other top candidates at the time were committed elsewhere.

We need to get the DoF right, our transfer and scouting set up in place and hire a manager who will adhere to our ideals. Ole, Poch or ZZ are probably the 3 best candidates it seems.

 

[Adebesi]

Zidane wasnt sacked was he?

 

[Keefy18]

Zidane wasnt sacked was he?

Do you really believe the resignation stuff? Not sure I do myself.

Think with him being a club legend and success and they respected what he done for the club but wanted rid and didn't want to tarnish his rep with a sacking.

Why would he want to leave? He's been at the club all told for nearly 20 years and a success as both a player and manager. I doubt he'd go unless pushed.

 

[Adebesi]

Listen though, I hear the point you are making. I know the difference between the clubs you are alluding to, I think its something most United fans feel, but what Im saying is its actually quite an elusive idea when you try to pin it down. We all heard the speech SAF gave about giving managers time, we all remember him opining that managers were sacked too quickly, supporting colleagues who had lost their jobs after a poor start in the league, he returned to that theme many times. So we all get the idea that sticking with your managers is a good thing. This is not an idea that is thrown around the corridors of power at the Bernabeu very often (at least, I dont imagine they are, though I dont spend any time listening in on those corridors, and even if I did I dont speak Spanish so I would have no idea what people were saying.)

The point is, the only difference, real difference, between the two clubs, at this precise moment, IMO, is theoretical. We WANT to support our managers, we are always looking for a long term relationship. Madrid are absolutely honest that they live in the moment, that each appointment is a marriage of convenience that is not expected to last more than a couple of seasons. But in terms of our actual track record - POST SAF - there is no difference. We are like the old romantic, looking for love but never finding it.

 

[Adebesi]

Do you really believe the resignation stuff? Not sure I do myself.

Think with him being a club legend and success and they respected what he done for the club but wanted rid and didn't want to tarnish his rep with a sacking.

Why would he want to leave? He's been at the club all told for nearly 20 years and a success as both a player and manager. I doubt he'd go unless pushed.

Hey, maybe youre right. I have no idea. I do believe it, yes. Maybe that is naive.

So do you think Guardiola was pushed out of Barca as well? I assumed they were basically the same situations.

 

[charlenefan]

Hey, maybe youre right. I have no idea. I do believe it, yes. Maybe that is naive.

So do you think Guardiola was pushed out of Barca as well? I assumed they were basically the same situations.

Indeed. Both Barca and Madrid are high pressure jobs. Coaches just seem to get burnt out being in charge of them for prolonged periods of time

 

[Ballache]

I'm starting to think that Ole will get a two year contract but Poch will eventually come in.

 

[Adebesi]

Two guys in a bar. One of them wants to hook up with a girl for a night and then never see her again. The other wants to find a wife, but every girl he gets with is found wanting in some way or other, because none of them can ever live up to his super hot ex wife who was taken from him too soon.

Inside their heads, these two guys are nothing alike. But as far as the girl who is going to get shagged and then not called back is concerned, those differences dont mean all that much.

 

[Buster15]

I'm starting to think that Ole will get a two year contract but Poch will eventually come in.

You cannot underestimate how brilliantly Tottenham have coped without Caine and Alli.

Really top coaches manage to get the results even without their top players and that is exactly what Pochettino has done.
They have such a high level of self belief that they are outstanding at grinding out wins.

I knew that he was good but he has gone up in my opinion to a level above my expectation.

We saw against PSG how a couple of injuries hit us badly.
Had this happened to Tottenham I cannot help thinking that Pochettino would have dealt with it better.

 

[Adebesi]

To be fair I agree with that. I thought Spurs were absolutely stuffed when Kane was out, along with other injuries and Son going off on international duty. Poch has done very well there. Hopefully Ole will do the same without Martial and Lingard.

 

[Dec9003]

You cannot underestimate how brilliantly Tottenham have coped without Caine and Alli.

Really top coaches manage to get the results even without their top players and that is exactly what Pochettino has done.
They have such a high level of self belief that they are outstanding at grinding out wins.

I knew that he was good but he has gone up in my opinion to a level above my expectation.

We saw against PSG how a couple of injuries hit us badly.
Had this happened to Tottenham I cannot help thinking that Pochettino would have dealt with it better.

Didn't Tottenham go out of two cup competitions recently due to injuries though? One team that knocked them out was Palace, and one the same Chelsea side we'll be going up against with injuries to the side.

 

[Buster15]

Didn't Tottenham go out of two cup competitions recently due to injuries though? One team that knocked them out was Palace, and one the same Chelsea side we'll be going up against with injuries to the side.

Where are they in the two most important competitions - PL and CL.

 

[Denis79]

Didn't Tottenham go out of two cup competitions recently due to injuries though? One team that knocked them out was Palace, and one the same Chelsea side we'll be going up against with injuries to the side.

Yes, the League Cup and the FA cup.

 

[Dec9003]

Where are they in the two most important competitions - PL and CL.

In the premier league they're 5 points off second and first with practically no chance of winning the thing.
in the champions league they got a great result against a very good side, hats off to them. Doesn't change the fact that saying they didn't get poor results as a result of injuries is anything other than a barefaced lie.

Yes, the League Cup and the FA cup.

Exactly, easily the two competitions in which Tottenham have the best chance of winning.

 

[Denis79]

You cannot underestimate how brilliantly Tottenham have coped without Caine and Alli.

Really top coaches manage to get the results even without their top players and that is exactly what Pochettino has done.
They have such a high level of self belief that they are outstanding at grinding out wins.

I knew that he was good but he has gone up in my opinion to a level above my expectation.

We saw against PSG how a couple of injuries hit us badly.
Had this happened to Tottenham I cannot help thinking that Pochettino would have dealt with it better.

As much as I like Poch, what you're saying isn't true. His record with and without just Kane will tell you how reliant he is having his top players in the squad. The same as any other manager.

The win-rate for Poch with Kane playing is 59% with an average of 2 goals / game, without Kane the win-rate drops by 20% to 38%. with an average of 1.2 goals / game. That's a significant difference.

These stats are just without Kane you have remember and not raking to account other players. He has problems like all managers without his best players. The few managers that don't simply have a strong squad to choose from.

Would he have done better vs PSG? Maybe, I don't know but his stats don't prove that he would.

 

[Buster15]

As much as I like Poch, what you're saying isn't true. His record with and without just Kane will tell you how reliant he is having his top players in the squad. The same as any other manager.

The win-rate for Poch with Kane playing is 59% with an average of 2 goals / game, without Kane the win-rate drops by 20% to 38%. with an average of 1.2 goals / game. That's a significant difference.

These stats are just without Kane you have remember and not raking to account other players. He has problems like all managers without his best players. The few managers that don't simply have a strong squad to choose from.

Would he have done better vs PSG? Maybe, I don't know but his stats don't prove that he would.

If you read my post you will see that your stats on Harry Cane support what I was saying.

 

[predator]

Management is a tricky one to predict. Even harder than predicting the success of players imo. In this very moment in time from what I've seen under Ole, I'd be happy to give him the full time role. If we crumble in the next few vital games then I'd probably be saying Poch.

I love seeing the assertion from posters when expressing their views on managers and how it will pan out under said manager. The truth is you can't be certain. Who would've thought Zidane was going to win the champions league 3 times in a row? Who expected SAF to go on to be what he was? I could go on and on.

I personally haven't seen enough from Pochettino which tops what Ole has done for us in such a small space - take over an uninspired squad with disheartened fans and go 10 games unbeaten and completely bring some positivity back to the club.

Too early to judge to be honest.

 

[Wilt]

I was undecided until we beat Spurs 1-0 at Wembley. Can’t remember the last time Utd have taken such a pounding (2nd half) and yet still walked away with all 3 points, in fact I couldn’t of complained if we’d lost by two or three goals.

If Pochettino can produce that kind of football as a Utd manager then he has to be our No 1 target and I don’t care how much it costs to get him .....just get him!

 

[JMack1234]

I believe there is still a good shout in there for Tuchel and Marco Rose over Ole. It is crazy also to rule out Zidane who has won three champions league title in a row as well.

After looking at things from a holistic perspective, even though Ole has done a fantastic job so far, I would be surprised if we overlooked these managers for him. Still a long way to go and even though his result so far has been fantastic, I am not convinced that he is the right man yet.

While I can see your point in principle. I the realpolitik makes that practically impossible. There is no way Tuchel will leave PSG at the moment.

Also Poch is the only candidate that the majority of fans will accept over Ole, and even then the mere suggestion that Poch could replace makes some muppets on this forum have an aneurysm.

Appointing either Rose or Zidane over Ole would create total uproar in the Unted fan base.

 

[aditya826]

Dream choice : Thomas Tuchel

Would settle for : Mauricio Pochettino

 

[vidic blood & sand]

Still Pochettino for me, but Ole has done very well so far. He still has time to convince.

 

[dmode]

Ole for manager... it's so obvious, he's learning fast and has moved a disheartened team back to winning ways, I think he's got the balls to manage Manchester United.

Who can guarantee that it won't be a remake like VanGaal/Moyes/Mourinho experience for a new outsider?

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

I had it in my head that the club had a proper plan this time, sack Jose, get someone in to steady the ship, then get Poch in the summer, hopefully on the understanding he has been quietly spoken to and is open to the move.

But I'm doubting it now, the club is seemingly just weak minded, and will change its mind with whatever way the winds blowing, perhaps that's why the DOF appointment is taking so long, they've thought again because we've strung a few wins together.

I like Ole, but to expect him to be SAF Mk2 long term is just naive in the exteme, top managers are few and far between, as is the ability to build a top team, so personally I hope we are sticking with what I hoped was the original plan.

 

[Rista]

We've put ourselves in a difficult situation I think. If Ole continues getting results, there is no way we can afford not to hire him. He has done so well so far, and deservedly so but if we're being honest, if we were to replay all these league games once again we wouldn't have as much success. 9 out of 10 times we're not winning that Spurs game. I still have doubts about Pochettino but he's probably the better manager who we can't hire as long as Ole is doing at least a decent job.

 

[Reddevil1978]

Only 35 votes between Ole and Poch, Ole has done amazing to get this close considering he wasn't on the poll at the beginning.

I'm still firmly in the Ole camp as I don't think Poch will want to come to United at the moment. And I'm not sold on Zidane as he inherited a good squad with arguably the best attacker, best midfielder and some class defenders. I just don't think he will be able to build a squad for future United. Did he know Ronaldo was leaving and thought it would be difficult to maintain results without him so quit himself?

Ole has the Manchester United DNA running through his veins, he knows the club history, believes in youth and is trying to play the right way. If he lands the job on a full-time basis I hope he can identify and attract his transfer targets. Intresting times ahead.

 

[United_We_Stand]

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[mav_9me]

We've put ourselves in a difficult situation I think. If Ole continues getting results, there is no way we can afford not to hire him. He has done so well so far, and deservedly so but if we're being honest, if we were to replay all these league games once again we wouldn't have as much success. 9 out of 10 times we're not winning that Spurs game. I still have doubts about Pochettino but he's probably the better manager who we can't hire as long as Ole is doing at least a decent job.

It is what it is. If ole continues to do well we have to go with him and see where it goes long term. If it doesn't work out it doesn't. Then we move for whoever we decide at that time. All obvious stuff. But that's where I am at.

 

[Adisa]

The club is destined to do a Liverpool of they get the next appointment wrong. I've said many times, money won't be a factor in chooching Poch or Ole.

 

[Wanderlust_09]

I had it in my head that the club had a proper plan this time, sack Jose, get someone in to steady the ship, then get Poch in the summer, hopefully on the understanding he has been quietly spoken to and is open to the move.

But I'm doubting it now, the club is seemingly just weak minded, and will change its mind with whatever way the winds blowing, perhaps that's why the DOF appointment is taking so long, they've thought again because we've strung a few wins together.

I like Ole, but to expect him to be SAF Mk2 long term is just naive in the exteme, top managers are few and far between, as is the ability to build a top team, so personally I hope we are sticking with what I hoped was the original plan.

Fully agree with you.

I also felt that there was a plan in place, but looks like it is not the case. It would be too stupid and too soon if Utd have already made a decision to give Ole the full time job.

Ole has done a fantastic job to steady the rocking ship, but I do not believe yet that he is the one to build the team going forward and challenging for titles. Many of us have taken the Ole train far too soon I guess. Look at what happened when Pool hired Dalgish after they sacked Woy, they had a similar start and the fans loved him, they went on to win their only trophy in many years as well, but towards the end it became clear that he was not the one for the long term.

I really wish Ole shows his tactical flexibility in the upcoming weeks if he is to be given the full time job. Management certainly can't be just about brining smiles and letting your players enjoy themselves, there are times our manager has to take tough decisions which our star players do not agree. I am glad that we have a tough set of fixtures coming up, which will prove to be the real test of Ole's actual capabilities.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Fully agree with you.

I also felt that there was a plan in place, but looks like it is not the case. It would be too stupid and too soon if Utd have already made a decision to give Ole the full time job.

Ole has done a fantastic job to steady the rocking ship, but I do not believe yet that he is the one to build the team going forward and challenging for titles. Many of us have taken the Ole train far too soon I guess. Look at what happened when Pool hired Dalgish after they sacked Woy, they had a similar start and the fans loved him, they went on to win their only trophy in many years as well, but towards the end it became clear that he was not the one for the long term.

I really wish Ole shows his tactical flexibility in the upcoming weeks if he is to be given the full time job. Management certainly can't be just about brining smiles and letting your players enjoy themselves, there are times our manager has to take tough decisions which our star players do not agree. I am glad that we have a tough set of fixtures coming up, which will prove to be the real test of Ole's actual capabilities.

We have a history of been stupid in these situations, or Ed has anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me, as it wouldn't if Ole has a rough patch and he thinks again and takes it all away again, as it's surely just a verbal 'agreement at this stage anyway.

Ole's remit was to make the players happy, and give the fans something worth watching again, and he's doing that, but we're talking long term here, ripping large parts of the squad up, DOF coming in, hopefully challenging again, I just can't believe Ole is the man to do this.

 

[Catt]

We have a history of been stupid in these situations, or Ed has anyway, so it wouldn't surprise me, as it wouldn't if Ole has a rough patch and he thinks again and takes it all away again, as it's surely just a verbal 'agreement at this stage anyway.

Ole's remit was to make the players happy, and give the fans something worth watching again, and he's doing that, but we're talking long term here, ripping large parts of the squad up, DOF coming in, hopefully challenging again, I just can't believe Ole is the man to do this.

Have they decided to give Ole the job?

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

Have they decided to give Ole the job?

Don't think I said that.

 

[Catt]

Don't think I said that.

I don't know as I haven't really been paying attention lately, so that's why I asked. From your conversation I gathered something had come out regarding this.

And btw, I don't want Ole getting the job. I have followed him a bit in Norway and honestly don't think he's good enough at the moment.

 

[C'est Moi Cantona]

I don't know as I haven't really been paying attention lately, so that's why I asked. From your conversation I gathered something had come out regarding this.

And btw, I don't want Ole getting the job. I have followed him a bit in Norway and honestly don't think he's good enough at the moment.

Fair enough, A couple of stories have come out claiming something was recently agreed, but it's all very flimsy, it's a worry though, as if we are going for Poch then we are going to have to go all out for him, and not be swayed on the back of us winning a few games.

 

[minoo-utd]

The club is destined to do a Liverpool of they get the next appointment wrong. I've said many times, money won't be a factor in chooching Poch or Ole.

Just like us, I think the club have not figured out what to do next. Ole or not, and when exactly to get a dof? Os there even a plan?

 

[OldSchoolManc]

Time for Ole to take top spot.
What more could we want?
Downward step to Poch.

 

[klsv]

Time for Ole to take top spot.
What more could we want?
Downward step to Poch.

Well, now we have to see how he does against Liverpool. Then if he can come back against PSG. Then we wait and see if he gets us into top 4 and if he's already there, he should really overtake Poch in third to be considered, and win the FA Cup. Poch, however, doesn't have to prove anything to anyone and if you think he does, you're delusional because Harry Kane is injured and Levy is spending all his money on sending Glaston to India as a PR stunt instead of providing Spurs with players.

Oh I forgot, Chong needs get a run of at least three starts in a row too.

 

[Peter Brewer]

I don't know as I haven't really been paying attention lately, so that's why I asked. From your conversation I gathered something had come out regarding this.

And btw, I don't want Ole getting the job. I have followed him a bit in Norway and honestly don't think he's good enough at the moment.

What a sorry fool you are

 

[sullydnl]

Time for Ole to take top spot.
What more could we want?
Downward step to Poch.

A result against Liverpool would be quite nice.

 

[NJM78]

If we keep him we better back him with a shit load of cash, I hope the board don’t see mr nice guy as an excuse to skimp.