Straight to the bin alongside the other patronising and condescending bs read.
Are the Glazers preparing for a sale? | Saudis deny the news
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As much as i dislike the current owners, they have clearly invested in the playing squad. We have consistently been amongst the highest spenders. I cannot get behind an owner with such blatant disregard for human rights. The progress we are making in our women's team has been great, but will that continue?
I'd rather be skint then owned by them.
I guess all of you never take a loan from a bank eh.
Business take loans. Even manchester city has loan (albeit to the owner). It's pretty natural to put the asset bought as collateral.
What glazer took out each year to repay the loan isnt extraordinary, it's their rights and profits. Instead of getting to spent it they spent it to repay their debt. That's the nature of all business starting from google amazon to mum and pops business.
Business take loans. Even manchester city has loan (albeit to the owner). It's pretty natural to put the asset bought as collateral.
What glazer took out each year to repay the loan isnt extraordinary, it's their rights and profits. Instead of getting to spent it they spent it to repay their debt. That's the nature of all business starting from google amazon to mum and pops business.
These rumours were there as far back as 2010, the problem is I think now the Saudis actually have a pressing need to diversify their portfolio with the Aramco sale going tits up and their oil running out, also United would serve as a great PR tool to rehabilitate their image after Yemen and Khasoggi.
The glazers haven't invested anything.
They might have invested in the team, but very badly. If they can sort that I would agree with you. If they restructure the recruitment side and have somebody working with the manager who has knowledge of who we need and can negotiate properly then I will be happy. I just worry there are people there who want to be able to take credit for things they do not have the qualifications to be able to take the credit. Also this is not a muslin country, so not sure they could get rid of the women's team. If they did that, they will get rid of alcohol being sold at the ground as well wouldn't they? Doubt they would want to infuriate a lot of the fan base on both counts.
The problem we have is ideally we need someone with unlimited funds, that will always be there, not someone with a lot of money who our club will be a drain on their funds. Also ideally that would not be the Saudi's.
The ones who say they would rather support a rubbish Manchester United and keep things as they are. They will be the first ones calling for manager's head and constantly moaning that we are rubbish. Being rubbish soon wears thin.
Amazon wants to get in on the streaming market. Netflix might want to increase their portofolio.
If anything, they would go above and beyond to support the women's team. Probably upgrade our academy and invest in community projects too. That's the whole point of a move like this; a carefully orchestrated charm offensive to convince the world they aren't a bunch of monsters.
Wanting unlimited money is fantasy stuff and also quite redundant with FFP. We can easily compete without that. How many clubs out there have unlimited funds anyway?
People will moan about us being rubbish no matter what. I mean, you had people moaning about our football under SAF when we were strolling the league.
Not 50m in the summer being outspent by relegation fodder or in minus figures in a January transfer window where our top 4 rivals Chelsea signed Higuain and Arsenal also strenghtened.
Exactly.
Liverpool and Spurs are competing without selling their soul to savages, on a smaller budget than United; City have won 2 league titles by a clear points margin in 10 years of unprecedented Arabian charity, while getting nowhere near the Champions League. It’s really not worth it for a club with a legitimate organic infrastructure for success and dignity.
Sound sporting strategy, not a Sharia sugar daddy, and embracing the identity forged and perpetuated by Busby and Ferguson, are the keys to making United great again.
Both got really good managers and a great transfer policy.
It's probably not happening.
Look it purely hypothetical at the moment, all be it there's normally no smoke without fire. Most fans would be opposed to this take over, but would it be stopped by the FA and the British Government, simple answer....No.
For the record I would be 100% against this but I would never stop supporting my club and I suspect that most of my fellow United fans would feel similar, we would be ashamed that the club had been bought by owners who have such a shocking record on human rights and even more sadistic acts that do not get covered in the media.
Many of us forget that Saudis already have stakes in Sheffield United so there is precedence but the Saudis being Saudis would only ever want the very best and it's near on impossible for them to ever buy Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern so the obvious and only choice for them is United and No I don't mean Newcastle because they will want maximum exposure to spin a charm offensive across the globe and Manchester United are perhaps the only club in World football that would offer them that unique opportunity.
Will it happen, who knows, will the Glaziers finally take £2.2bn between all six of them when they already take out a $25M dividend each year continuing to weigh the the club down with more debt as exchange rates spiral out of control. None of us really knows but one things for sure if you think Roman Abrahmovic is trigger happy for firing staff for underachieving then it's safe to assume that Mr Edward Woodward under the new Saudi's tenure would be skatting on very thin ice indeed?
For the record I would be 100% against this but I would never stop supporting my club and I suspect that most of my fellow United fans would feel similar, we would be ashamed that the club had been bought by owners who have such a shocking record on human rights and even more sadistic acts that do not get covered in the media.
Many of us forget that Saudis already have stakes in Sheffield United so there is precedence but the Saudis being Saudis would only ever want the very best and it's near on impossible for them to ever buy Madrid, Barcelona, Bayern so the obvious and only choice for them is United and No I don't mean Newcastle because they will want maximum exposure to spin a charm offensive across the globe and Manchester United are perhaps the only club in World football that would offer them that unique opportunity.
Will it happen, who knows, will the Glaziers finally take £2.2bn between all six of them when they already take out a $25M dividend each year continuing to weigh the the club down with more debt as exchange rates spiral out of control. None of us really knows but one things for sure if you think Roman Abrahmovic is trigger happy for firing staff for underachieving then it's safe to assume that Mr Edward Woodward under the new Saudi's tenure would be skatting on very thin ice indeed?
It goes back to the days where illegal approaches to players/managers etc. were often made and where 'bungs' were used (otherwise known as brown paper bags stuffed with money) these were reputedly exchanged under the table of motorway cafes.
I suppose nowadays the money is transferred electronically, via offshore accounts, and its not just players and managers involved anymore but a variety of agents, advisors, representatives grafting on their behalf. The investments in clubs themselves and related off-shoot businesses, e.g. personal promotions, media savvy outlets, etc. involve all shorts of investors, some who turn out to be unfit to be Directors and of course you only have to look at the FBI investigation into FIFA affairs to see it goes right to the top!
The PL is not somewhere I would look for (or expect to find) examples of moral rectitude.
Wasn't Fred bought for £57 million whilst Dalot transfer was at £19 million?
I wouldn’t bother going anymore. I would absolutely hate for this to happen.
I'm actually surprised by the number of people arguing for us to become a toy club for the infamous prince.
We also had outgoings like Blind. And either way is that good enough for you? Even if we don't count outgoings we were still outspent by relegation teams. Thats a fact.
Any further links surfaced from credible sources since?
The way I see it is I'd rather it be us than another club as I can see us struggling to dominate again if a 3rd club gets a crazy multi billionaire owner like City and Chelsea do.
I can understand those saying they wouldn't support the club anymore if it happens, but I support the club not the owner as they come and go.
I can understand those saying they wouldn't support the club anymore if it happens, but I support the club not the owner as they come and go.
My point is that if you're gonna build your case around some figure, at least make sure you've got that figure right, or else your argument is flawed.
The Aramco sale going tits up is why this is unlikely for now. They were planning on using the money to diversify.
Their reserves have been depleted by something like 50% in the last three years. This idea that they have so much money lying around is a myth. They've even had to make cuts to government programmes.
In some cases, you cannot separate the owner and the club, especially if the owners buy the club to launder their image. How do we separate both when Fergie and Sir Bobby are busy being wheeled to SA to pictures with King Salman and his maniac son?
They still need to diversify regardless. £4bn isn’t chump change but the purchase would still pay for itself in the long run, our revenue streams would ensure that they wouldn’t have to spend another dime for a while, over the first decade they’d probably have recoup the money on the increased stock value of the club.
I really hope this is just tabloid talks, sadly it makes too much sense for them.
I'd rather have owners who put the money we generate back in to the club. Owners who don't whore or name out commercially to pay off a debt they brought to us. Some have a weird moral compass in here. I want the best for United on the pitch. Everyone gets giddy when we sign a player like the Glazers are doing us a favour, makes me sick. This is the only realistic option where the club will put the profits on the pitch. The Glazers have milked us for years and some dopes in here don't mind them. Bring the Suadi's in, there both a bunch of bastards for different reasons. I want all the revenue made to be pumped in to the stadium/squad and academy. People saying they will do this and do that, youse will do nothing! Same as most did when the Glazers but the club on money they didn't have.
Football has changed, you can get romantic about us being a family club but we haven't been in a long time. The majority of big clubs in the English league are foreign owners who view it as an investment opportunity. The local owner who wants the best for the fans and community idea is in lower leagues. There are people who still love the club like Bobby and Sir Alex, majority of the board care about how much money we are making. Your naive to think otherwise, I want owners who don't steal from the club. It's not about looking past the terrible things the new ones have done, they are bastrds too. I'd prefer to have us run properly, something the Glazers have not done.
Football has changed, you can get romantic about us being a family club but we haven't been in a long time. The majority of big clubs in the English league are foreign owners who view it as an investment opportunity. The local owner who wants the best for the fans and community idea is in lower leagues. There are people who still love the club like Bobby and Sir Alex, majority of the board care about how much money we are making. Your naive to think otherwise, I want owners who don't steal from the club. It's not about looking past the terrible things the new ones have done, they are bastrds too. I'd prefer to have us run properly, something the Glazers have not done.
when it comes to United it is quite common to have smoke without fire don't you think?
papers like to use our name as much as possible, and the chance to throw MBS into the mix isn't going to be passed up
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...e=facebook&cmpid=socialflow-facebook-business
Edit: sorry it’s referring to the same sun article. Thought it was more recent.
Edit: sorry it’s referring to the same sun article. Thought it was more recent.
I find it ignorant and a bit embarrassing when people want to make it out you can even compare the Saudi regime to the Glazers, they’re chalk and cheese, they simply don’t compare. How willingly blind do you want to be.
That is a ridiculous analogy. In that situation the bank is making a profit from the loan they provide - interest. We are not making a profit from the Glazers, we have provided them a loan and they are using our profits to service that loan.
It's like getting a loan from the bank, then walking to the the vaults, taking out some money, and using that to pay off the loan.
The idea that the Glazers have 'invested' in the club is just wrong. Can't believe how many people still believe this. Not sucking ALL of the money out the club, does not mean they are 'investing'. You people need to stop watching The Apprentice and wake up. Anyone who treats a football club the same way they treat a supermarket or dishwasher manufacturer doesn't deserve to be in charge.
There should be a cap on how much money an owner can take out of a club. If you can't afford to buy a club without sucking it dry to pay for it, don't buy it!
To be fair, we were strolling the league but we didn't win the Champions League as much as a team of our stature should have. We want our own 3 consecutive Champions League trophies like what Zidane did. Now that's what a proper top team in the world should do. Being satisfied with just doing well in the league would make us the English PSG. And being satisfied with just competing but no actual trophies would make us another Arsenal. So you can't put down others for moaning just because their expectation of the club and your own expectation differ.
If saudi's really want to buy United and if, God forbid, they're successful in it, imagine United being a synonym for a murderous despot who has the power of life and death in the country that's infamous for it's oppressive regime and the civil/human rights being on pair or below the middle ages? The same regime that's tearing Yemen apart as we speak and it's singlehandedly responsible for millions dead and banished from their homes, turned into refugees without anything.
Weird moral compass indeed.
EDIT: But hey, we'll be buying a Neymar each transfer window, so it's OK!
Well said. Some warped logic going on in this thread.
It's unthinkable for United to be taken over by these maniacs.
So first you give them your money, then you don't like what they spend their money on, then you make up a fairly tale how you are forced to give them your money because you're a victim of society (how convenient for you), and to top it of, you dismiss the argument with an ad hominem attack. Good luck dancing that tightrope of hypocrisy, blindfolded for the hard parts, hope it makes you feel good about yourself.
I agree.
I don’t particularly like the glazers, but a Saudi takeover is probably one of theonly things that would make me conflicted and apprehensive to support United. It’s a massive turn off to have a club owned by dictators
Moral high ground bullshit, quoting one line. I bet for all the shite your talking you will be supporting them if a takeover happens. If that is through buying merchandise or going to Old Trafford. People just ignoring our current owners as if they are the good guys. Point is we should be able to buy a Neymar nearly every window with the money we generate, the at what cost nonsense. Your not comfortable with a potential takeover I get it, fair play if you can't follow the club anymore after. I just think most in here will do nothing. In a perfect world the club would be owned locally by a fan, things aren't that simple anymore. The club were virtually bought illegally by the Glazers and your not crying. Listen I want the best for this club to grow, if it's between a Saudi takeover or the Glazers it's an easy choice for me. For you it's not fine, I want the best for the club and the current owners are a joke.
How are you making it out that the Glazers are even close to the same level? What a warped and horrible perception.
The club won't see a penny of my money, directly or indirectly, if the House of Saud owns it. They represent everything I loathe. Fundamentalist primitive religion. Murderous dictatorship. Oppression of the weak. Practices slavery. Fossil fuel economics. Hereditary monarchy. I can't think of a worse regime on the planet.
You can literally make that argument for anything. The bread you eat is made from wheat farmed and harvested using machines run by oil which may have been bought from Saudis owned companies, so what’s your choice, stop eating? The water you drink, the road you use, the air you breathe, all stemmed from citizenship/visas of states that maybe complicit in supplying the Saudis with money and weapons, what’s your choice? Find an island in the middle of nowhere?
It’s a fecking bizarre line of logic. Imagine literally any person ever in history who have raised their voice to criticise an oppressive regime, they must have been hypocrites because they reaped one benefit or another from such.
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