10 away losses on the bounce.
So let's talk about Eddie Howe....
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Bournemouth's form is worrying, 12th now under Leicester
Had a great start but if they're out of gas they could fall further and get themselves into trouble. The defense and keeper look particularly weak
Had a great start but if they're out of gas they could fall further and get themselves into trouble. The defense and keeper look particularly weak
Think 7 of them have been by 2+ goals.
The point was that Ole hadn't shown he could coach a defense until he was given an opportunity at a big side.
On what grounds should he be sacked? A verysilly opinion imo.
They've had a very tough run of fixtures away from home to be fair, couple bad results but most were to be expected.
Bournemouth were relegation candidates, Howe changed that. The comparison is definitely. The poor defence carried into the championship too. Again this isn’t too shit on Solskjaer, just pointing out that plenty of the criticism in this thread towards Howe is completely overblown.
The defending last night was laughable. Arsenal had a 30 yard clear run at goal with just one threaded pass. You don't play like that away from home against a better opponent.
The Bournemouth Supremacy is over.
Hes done well at Bournemouth, a fantastic job. But I was hoping he would at least progress with the way he sets up especially against bigger teams away from home. Their set up against Arsenal and recently vs Liverpool was so obviously going to play into the hands of their opponents.
Pep, Klopp & Pochettino for sure. Ole if you add temporary managers.
Arguments can probably be made for others, but Pep, Klopp & Pochettino are as safe as you get.
They’re all in a very safe position but I wouldn’t say they’re safer than Howe. Howe took a team from league 2 and established them as a premier league side. He’s as safe in his job as anyone.
He’s shite. I still can’t believe some here wanted him as Utd boss.
His teams play in one way and one way only, he can’t defend. He’s the English Rodgers but not as good.
His teams play in one way and one way only, he can’t defend. He’s the English Rodgers but not as good.
They are hopeless away from home. In there tight stadium they can give anyone a game, Eddie Howe is tactically awful. He has real trouble adapting to other teams gameplans, can't stand managers that have one way. You really need to have a plan B, the lack of belief is staggering. The only thing more staggering is people thinking we should have given him a shot, be a Moyes level mistake.
They've been in the Premier League now 4 years.
You can understand at first struggling away from home but after 4 years they still go away completely wide open.
It's absolutely suicidal, how can he not see that? How has he not worked out the need to be more defensive and cautious away especially at the big 6 clubs?
Their defending last night was criminal, the 4th Arsenal goal in particular was about as bad as you'll see a side defend all season.
You can understand at first struggling away from home but after 4 years they still go away completely wide open.
It's absolutely suicidal, how can he not see that? How has he not worked out the need to be more defensive and cautious away especially at the big 6 clubs?
Their defending last night was criminal, the 4th Arsenal goal in particular was about as bad as you'll see a side defend all season.
I do not really understand what people's expectations are. He has taken a team from League 2 to about mid-position in the Premier League.
Do you really think Bournemouth can do any better than that? This is the best that they can do.
They may end up with a one-off season where they will end higher e.g. Burnley, but the rest of the time they will be at most mid-table until the disparity in resources finally takes its toll.
Do you really think Bournemouth can do any better than that? This is the best that they can do.
They may end up with a one-off season where they will end higher e.g. Burnley, but the rest of the time they will be at most mid-table until the disparity in resources finally takes its toll.
Got a decent run in (after Man City):
Away to Huddersfield
Home to Newcastle
Away to Leicester
Home to Burnley
Away to Brighton
Home to Fulham
Away to Southampton
Home to Spurs
Away to Palace
Think they're capable of winning five of those so that would give them 50 + points and surely a top 10 finish with that haul. Infact I don't think they'd be all that far off Wolves who are 7th currently.
Put Howe in charge of Arsenal,with their budget better players,and they'd be playing better football
Good manager.
Why change something that doesn't need changing? They are a small club with players that on paper could struggle to get in to teams above and below where they are every year.
Giving the players a different way to play when :
A) it may require a different type of players
B) changes the players essential in game habits
C) not needed in terms of league placements
Is far from essential.
Out of the many middle table managers he has definitely been one of the best. Would have taken him over moyes any day of the week. Hopefully the guy gets a job where he can move up a gear & even if he fails he can hold his head up high.
Why change something that doesn't need changing? They are a small club with players that on paper could struggle to get in to teams above and below where they are every year.
Giving the players a different way to play when :
A) it may require a different type of players
B) changes the players essential in game habits
C) not needed in terms of league placements
Is far from essential.
Out of the many middle table managers he has definitely been one of the best. Would have taken him over moyes any day of the week. Hopefully the guy gets a job where he can move up a gear & even if he fails he can hold his head up high.
Ah the same old excuses still flying high for Howe in here .
I don't think I've ever seen such blind faith in someone so bad at their job bar Trump supporters
I don't think I've ever seen such blind faith in someone so bad at their job bar Trump supporters
Same people that mock Brendan are praising him funny enough.
Brendan had the same naivety even at Liverpool. It was one way of playing and no other plan.
So even if Howe gets a top job. He’d have to change his way. Someone said he’d do well at Arsenal. I’d say he be doing the same as Emery or worse. They’d probably be getting drubbed more away from home under him.
Pep didn’t need to change his way at Barca because of all the amazing players he had. But at Bayern and City he has adjusted tactically at times to the opposition.
Eddie Howe has done a great job keeping Bournemouth up the last few years. You guys are way too harsh, I'm fairly sure it was the same on Sean Dyche last year despite his Burnley side impressing time and time again throughout that season. Yes there are defensive weaknesses, that's just what you get in a side battling relegation every year but Eddie Howe always keeps them up.
He deserves a chance at the next level.
He deserves a chance at the next level.
Whichever one of Spurs, Arsenal, and Chelsea lose their manager next, they should consider going for him. It would be a bit of a gamble but I have a feeling it might be a good one. He's definitely nowhere near as charisma-lacking, dim, or generally un-inspiring as Moyes (before someone makes that argument), so that's what makes me think he might be a success at a higher level - he has actual good qualities.
He'll likely finish in the top half again so not just where the bad job thing is relevant tbh.
I'd reserve judgement until end of the season. Now the fixture list is getting easier I think they'll start winning and put pressure on team in 7th. They should've beaten Wolves as recently as Saturday after all.
If they struggle to beat likes of Huddersfield and Fulham then fair enough on criticism. I personally think they'll be around 50 points and I don't see the likes of Watford and Wolves getting that much more so very small likely difference in the table. Heck I think they'll finish above Everton which would've been a brilliant achievement if you predicted that in August.
Excuses? There’s no need for excuses, Bournemouth will be comfortably mid table come the end of the season. They have a smaller wage budget than most teams in the prem yet continuously punch above their weight.
‘So bad at their job’ someone who took a club from the depths of league 2 and established them as a premier league side is not bad at their job. I can understand people not thinking he’s ready for a top 6 club, or that he has flaws in his tactical approach, but to say he is so bad at his job is idiotic.
"So bad at his job"
"So bad at his job"
What else do you call getting hammered every time you play a top team because you have no idea of tactics ?
Their Plan A seems to be keeping them in the league so far, always getting a respectable position. Don't think anyone can accuse him of being 'so bad at his job'
Paul Merson, is that you??
He's a poor men's Martinez, isn't he? Plays decent football, but not as decent as Martinez, while at the same time has no clue how to put a defence. Nevertheless, I think he'll do better in a bigger team.
Normal
His job isn't to challenge the top 6 though.
Surely it's the same for Watford, Everton, Newcastle? Bournemouth did beat Chelsea 4-0 at home and lost narrowly 1-2 at home to Man. United and Arsenal so they do give these teams good games on their own patch.
Really only Wolves have given top 6 really good games home and away. West Ham picked up some good home results but been spanked a few times away (remember Liverpool destroying them at Anfield).
The top 6 will likely all finish on 70 + points this season in whatever order. What it shows is they all win lots of games home and away.
A draw was about right. They should have had a player sent off for elbowing, the ref gave 3 penalties none of which were and ignored the handball in the box
Both teams are pretty well matched tbh.
20 million for Solanke in a team that plays one up top and has Callum Wilson. Even when Wilson is out then he'll put King up top or that Mousset guy who has done nothing, He's had the tendancy to load up on relatively expensive or high paid strikers to put on the bench like Defoe, Murray, Afobe when the midfield still has to contain a Dan Gosling and Andrew Surman, and the Francis-Cook duo has been a big mistake-a-game duo since promotion. There are still too many postitions he's not improved on during their PL stint. Even now he's dropped Begovic for his Boruc who looks like he can't save anything hit towards goal.
It's a pity because in between there have been some good buys, like Brooks, Ake and Lewis Cook.
It's a pity because in between there have been some good buys, like Brooks, Ake and Lewis Cook.
He's 12th in the league. With Bournemouth, a team he brought up from league fecking 2 and has established as a Premier League regular.
If you genuinely think that is a man who is 'bad at his job', go and give your head a wobble.
His job is to try and win every match he plays .
How come other teams like Burnley wolvws etc can pull off results against the big teams ?
It's because they have managers who actually try and come up with tactics that work in these games,.
This total rubbish Howe fans spout that it doesn't matter if he gets hammered in these games it's madness absolute madness .
Every fan wants to their side pull off that shock victory not just wave a white flag once the whistle blows and sit through another 5 nil thrashing
When you witness the way Ole engineered a point against Liverpool on Sunday with ten men and the injuries to his team .
Then come on here and see people putting Howe up for the top jobs despite his refusal to change anything in the same situations and just take the beatings he gets .
Madness
Then come on here and see people putting Howe up for the top jobs despite his refusal to change anything in the same situations and just take the beatings he gets .
Madness
The only one here being illogical and making ridiculous claims is you.You really are like Trump supporters
I really don't give a feck about Howe, it's just obvious that he's done a fantastic job at Bournemouth. Does that make him perfect or suited to a big job? No, but he's still been one hell of a success, taking a club from the fourth tier from the first and establishing them at that level. If you can't see that then the problem is with you, not with other people.
Howe is still a very young manager who has a lot to learn, but he's adored by Bournemouth fans for good reason.
Comparing 'engineering' a point at home with one of the most expensively assembled squads in world football to the realities Howe faces at Bournemouth, fecking hell.Ole has done a great job at United and deserves a shot at the job long term, but as he would tell you himself from his time at Cardiff, managing a bottom half side is a very, very different task to managing a team like United.
Imagine taking a club who were close to dropping out of the English football leagues all the way to the Premier Division and having them comfortably mid table, and then having some bloke on redcafe telling you that you're bad at your job and anybody who argues otherwise is like a trump supporter.
Can you elaborate on why you think he ‘is so bad at his job’? It’s been pointed out to you that he’s established Bournemouth as a premier league side on a small budget. He gets spanked every now and then by the big boys, but the league finish is the important thing and he constantly avoids relegation dogfights, surely that trumps getting a few hammerings now and then.You really are like Trump supporters
You don’t make any pints, you just keep conflating Nyone defending Howe with trump supporters. It’s an odd debating style mate. Yes you can argue that he’s not ready for a top job or can be tactically naive, but you have no argument to support that he is doing ‘so bad’.