We weren't very good at defending under Mourinho this year, so I'm unsure how that could be attributed to him.
How much of Ole's success is Mourinho's?
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You don't think world class players watching the other night wouldn't of been inspired by that?
People are very reluctant to accept Jose's good points. He would have won the league in his second season but for City having a freakishly good season. He obviously instilled a discipline in players that they still benefit from. He also eventually made them miserable and useless, so that a massive bounce would occur the moment he left. Exactly like at Chelsea.
It's quite clear Ole benefited from all that.
It's quite clear Ole benefited from all that.
Jose deserves credit for bringing in some good players. Namely Pogba, Matic, Lukaku, Lindelof and Dalot, so despite some big feck ups in the market like Sanchez, he did some good transfers as well. Other than that, none.
His tactics and man management was a disaster and if he still was at the helm the likes of Pogba, Martial, Rashford and De Gea would probably be on their way out now
His tactics and man management was a disaster and if he still was at the helm the likes of Pogba, Martial, Rashford and De Gea would probably be on their way out now
It’s actually a hard question to answer. Part of me say zero. Another say none. So somewhere in between I guess.
Mourinho brought in some good players but, then again, you’d expect that of most managers given the resources United made available.
So, the answer is not much.
So, the answer is not much.
I think the days of players getting just inspired by such things are gone.
Sure you'll see one off exceptions, but unless Ole becomes a household name in world football with a few trophies under his belt, I don't think too much will change w.r.t attracting the absolute top talent from other leagues.
I know, it will take time, which is alright.
I would say not a lot. I think a lot of our defensive woes pre-Ole were down to us playing too defensively - too deep. Yes, our defenders have weaknesses, but I feel that a lot of those weaknesses are to do with their reactions and decisions under pressure. Paradoxically, playing very deep to protect them doesn't help this - it means that if something sudden goes wrong, it happens right in our defensive 3rd, and that's exactly what our defense don't cope with well.
Ole has changed entirely how our defense play, and they're much more solid because of it, despite the fact that you'd describe it as much less defensive.
Ole has changed entirely how our defense play, and they're much more solid because of it, despite the fact that you'd describe it as much less defensive.
We attack way more under Ole, meaning less pressure on our back 4, we wont be defending as much. Hence why we look better defensively and have kept several clean sheets after his departure. As far as attacking play goes, Jose deserves 0 credit. Pogba woulda been sold, Martial too, Fellaini would've received a life time contract and Rashford would not have started any games I can almost guarantee that! Herrera was getting feck all mins under Jose too.
Joses style didnt suit the players at his disposal. Suffered same fate as LVG, tried to make his ethos work rather than try work with what players he had. Jose done good in steadying the ship the first 2 seasons, making us relevant again. I did back Jose for long enough, but it started going south for me, last summer. His antics and moaning on tour just soured everything - just wasnt the same. More went on than just Jose, but that's the modern game - it starts and ends with the manager.
Ole has benefited hugely from knowing the club inside out - but by also being "fresh off the boat" as a manager at this level. He's just come in, listened to the players and tried to work with the players in front of him - not implement too much tactics from the off or worry hugely about the opposition. It is all about how we can hurt the opposition. Not to mention the fantastic core wealth of knowledge Ole has as coaches, they've all done fantastic.
Ole has benefited hugely from knowing the club inside out - but by also being "fresh off the boat" as a manager at this level. He's just come in, listened to the players and tried to work with the players in front of him - not implement too much tactics from the off or worry hugely about the opposition. It is all about how we can hurt the opposition. Not to mention the fantastic core wealth of knowledge Ole has as coaches, they've all done fantastic.
Absolute zero.
Jose was a cancer at the club, he brought the whole place down with his negativity.
Jose was a cancer at the club, he brought the whole place down with his negativity.
None. We'v improved massively defensively under Ole, aswel as in every other department. He isnt riding Joses coat tails in defence, he's improved it.
Some seem to think that Ole can turn water into wine and is the second coming of SAF. No, he inherited a good squad that was being mismanaged and managed to their strengths.
This squad is top heavy, the last thing it needed was a defensive manager, Mourinho without a good defense is pointless. We needed a manager that can get the best out of Pogba, Martial, Lukaku and Rashford. Those 4 players on their day are frightening.
We still concede a lot of chances, but instead of sitting back all the time, we provide a consistent threat in attack. Under Ole we have kept clean sheets in 46% of our games, Pool and City have 57% and 61% respectively in the same period. Our ability to stop chances is not good enough, we are putting too much pressure on our forwards, especially Pogba who will not score a goal a game forever.
This squad is top heavy, the last thing it needed was a defensive manager, Mourinho without a good defense is pointless. We needed a manager that can get the best out of Pogba, Martial, Lukaku and Rashford. Those 4 players on their day are frightening.
We still concede a lot of chances, but instead of sitting back all the time, we provide a consistent threat in attack. Under Ole we have kept clean sheets in 46% of our games, Pool and City have 57% and 61% respectively in the same period. Our ability to stop chances is not good enough, we are putting too much pressure on our forwards, especially Pogba who will not score a goal a game forever.
Assuming Jose was in charge for the PSG game (second leg), not only would we not have won the game but we would've planned to settle for 0-0, which wouldn't be achieved, making the tie a humiliation.
So this is as much Ole's success as it is Jose's failure. An honest man would look at this and wonder where he went wrong.
So this is as much Ole's success as it is Jose's failure. An honest man would look at this and wonder where he went wrong.
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Haven't got a calculator to hand but what's the square root of feck all?
Speaking for myself but it might be the same for others. When you’ve been in a really dark room and someone turns the light on that light seems a hell of a lot brighter than if it had been at the same level all along.
For me United have been in a really dark place for a long time but now there’s a light and not at the end of a tunnel but shining all around.
For me United have been in a really dark place for a long time but now there’s a light and not at the end of a tunnel but shining all around.
Even Mourinho's disciples like Lukaku and McTominay are playing better under Ole. So none of it. Everything is better now than it was before.
The only player Ole hasn't been able to really help is Sanchez, but I don't think any manager is getting the best out of him now. He looks finished, even though he does often look desperate to prove otherwise.
The only player Ole hasn't been able to really help is Sanchez, but I don't think any manager is getting the best out of him now. He looks finished, even though he does often look desperate to prove otherwise.
You are just jealous because he won the World Cup for France.
He pushed us down and lowered expectations. Not having Mourinho around gave everyone an extra boost. There is of course things Mourinho did which has helped some of the players. Same from every manager, but he was clearly a big failure.
Players like Martial, Pogba,Lingard,Lukaku and Rashford might have been even better without Mourinho.
Players like Martial, Pogba,Lingard,Lukaku and Rashford might have been even better without Mourinho.
To the OP - if OGS has taken over in the summer, then you could argue your point well. We were defensively good last year. This year under Jose, the team were an utter shambles, especially defensively.
In terms of managing Manchester United Ole is just about the opposite to Mourinho on every level it seems, so on that basis absolutely nothing.
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Bollocks, we don't really play attacking football especially against a team superior than us, the win against Spurs, Arsenal, draw vs Liverpool and yesterday was a very Mourinho-esque performance , He would be proud seeing his philosophy is still being implemented after he left. What Ole brought to us is simply a good positive vibe that enable the player to play to their full potential.
I'm a cynic, and even I don't believe that.
We no longer look like a Mourinho team and the new manager bounce argument cannot apply after so much time has elapsed. Ole deserves all the credit.
Agree and that is the way he helped us this season. Made everything so bad that the next manager could get momentum from only a little bit of positivity. We have seen it with Mourinho before that after he fecked up bad other managers have done much better after. Leicester did struggle for relegation and then turned it around and used that momentum to win the league.
Remember how poor we were defensively at the start of Ole's reign (yes it's a reign!). And how progressively we have improved. We conceded 29 in 17 matches pre-Ole and now we have conceded only 9 in the last 12. Ole has also spoken about how he fixed the midfield to reduce the chances conceded. De Gea has probably never done as little as in last 5 years (barring the Spurs game).
Definitely the credit for defensive strength has to go to Ole and the coaching staff and nobody else. Certainly not Jose who said we can't play attacking because the state of the defense.
Definitely the credit for defensive strength has to go to Ole and the coaching staff and nobody else. Certainly not Jose who said we can't play attacking because the state of the defense.
If mou wasn't so destructive and incompetent then ole would have never managed us. That's all
I thought I was the only one. I said Jose would ruin this club and as a result was kicked out of a local United supporters club on FB.
Now I can only laugh at those fools.
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The signings of course were proper united players and winners.
Also he was the bad cop to oles good cop. I’m not sure if Ole came in affer LVG that he’d have done much better. I do think he’d have been in for pogba though.
Also he was the bad cop to oles good cop. I’m not sure if Ole came in affer LVG that he’d have done much better. I do think he’d have been in for pogba though.
Wait until United win 4 Champions Leagues in the next 5 years and you're asking him to come back by 2025
He does - but not for reasons that are positive for Jose.
Jose put us in such a negative place, anti-Manchester United place, that it was actually the perfect environment for Ole to come in with his brand of positivity and "we are Manchester United" mantra... so really, Ole does owe some success for being the complete anti-Jose.
Jose put us in such a negative place, anti-Manchester United place, that it was actually the perfect environment for Ole to come in with his brand of positivity and "we are Manchester United" mantra... so really, Ole does owe some success for being the complete anti-Jose.
LVG did buy Martial, Shaw and Herrera! He gave Lingard a lot of time. He also played Rashford when we had everyone out with injuries and it worked! Foundations!This thread
If anything our defence began improvement under LVG. Let's credit him with Ole's terrific results too. Fecksake.
Mourinho did buy Lukaku, Pogba, Matic and Lindelöf! He also didn't sell any amazing players really so didn't feck the squad up! Foundations!
Yep.
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That is the good thing with Mourinho at least. He either wins or mess it up so bad in terms of man managemen that he gets fired and the new guy get a bounce effect.
He is not just doing bare minimum and sticking around for too long. LVG almost did the second thing, but it might have been a blessing that City did get the top 4 spot over us.
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Nothing of significance.
We might have been in better shape without the damage he caused in the first half of the season.
We might have been in better shape without the damage he caused in the first half of the season.
Why does someone always make a thread like this? Whatever happened to that prick who claimed the Europa League was Van Gals victory?
He gets credit for bringing in Pogba, Rom, lindelof, dalot and Matic.