Is Andy Cole the most underrated Utd player of the modern era?

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One of my favourite Utd players ever I must admit. I loved his narrative, after the poor start it felt like an underdog story and as a teenager in the 90's his story appealed to me.

I am biased then, but I firmly believe that he is often overlooked when we talk about that era and people don't realize how good he really was. Part of it is perception(and a poor start) He came to Utd as a 40 goal a season man and Utd fans expected that, even though the team at that time were never set up to play solely to one man as his Newcastle side were. His international career probably plays a part as well, but England were so invested in Shearer at that time that players like peak Fowler(up to 23/24) Ian Wright and Les Ferdinand never got a real chance either.

His finishing was erratic and at times it felt that if he had too much time to think about the finish he could struggle. When he was instinctive and flowing he scored some of the best strikers goals I have seen, but it is the rest of his game that is rarely mentioned. Remarkably quick feet, instant use of the ball, unselfish, was involved in so many key goals with his set up play. Thought it was a true insult to Cole when compared to Lukaku last year, a far superior footballer in every way bar finishing, and his movement off the ball was incredible.

I would take him over Ruud Van Nistelrooy as the focal point of a Utd select team. That doesn't mean that I think he was a better player than RVN in isolation but that his all round game meshes with the rest of the team better than RVN's did. I often found myself frustrated watching RVN at how slow his use of the ball was, how many touches he wanted when compared to Cole instantly laying the ball off and going on his next run.


The quality of his goals is really impressive, so much variation, headers, volleys, runs in behind, quick turns, link up play, overhead kicks, a bit of everything. Has all of his direct assists as well in that vid, credit to whoever made it.
 

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I have no idea how good he was because he's before my time but I did watch that video a while back and I was really impressed. Like you said, lots of variation in his goals.
 

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I think he went from being a goal machine to being a much more complete striker who still scored a lot of goals. When I go back and watch videos he was certainly technically a lot better than I remembered.
 

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My favourite player back when I was young. I probably don’t remember well enough to know his all round game, but he seemed to score every week.

Would be worth shedloads in the modern day. I swear strikers just aren’t as good as they used to be.
 

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I think he went from being a goal machine to being a much more complete striker who still scored a lot of goals. When I go back and watch videos he was certainly technically a lot better than I remembered.
Yes, really what I was getting at. In some ways I think he was almost a prototype for how the position changed, the days of having a one dimensional forward who could only score at top teams were coming to an end in the mid to late 90's. You needed strikers who could do a bit of everything as Cole could, but people still saw strikers as scorers first and foremost and maybe that contributed to him not being appreciated as much as he should have been.

I think he always had that range in his game, really shows the brilliance of Fergie to allow him to to show it.
 

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He was just complete striker. Pace and finishing was great, good movement, excellent linking up with other players, solid technique. He was excellent as poacher and as second striker. He wasn't world class but was excellent PL striker.

And he had great chant;)
 

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Unfortunately I can’t attest to ever watching him as I was 6 when he left us, but his stats are remarkable.

He had 68 goals in 84 appearances at Newcastle. 121 in 275 for Manchester United.

How the feck did he only get 15 caps for England?!
 

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he took a while to settle in, and was a failure for England

I think that's why he isn't rated so highly, but he was quality for us
 

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Unfortunately I can’t attest to ever watching him as I was 6 when he left us, but his stats are remarkable.

He had 68 goals in 84 appearances at Newcastle. 121 in 275 for Manchester United.

How the feck did he only get 15 caps for England?!
He was pretty shocking for England iirc

And didn't help his cause that Shearer existed at the same time
 

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Unfortunately I can’t attest to ever watching him as I was 6 when he left us, but his stats are remarkable.

He had 68 goals in 84 appearances at Newcastle. 121 in 275 for Manchester United.

How the feck did he only get 15 caps for England?!
Shearer and Sheringham in one period were in front of him and then came Owen
 

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He was pretty shocking for England iirc

And didn't help his cause that Shearer existed at the same time
He didnt get a cap from 1995 to 1999. One cap while at Newcastle and nothing until Glenn Hoddle went mad and got the sack.
 

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He didnt get a cap from 1995 to 1999. One cap while at Newcastle and nothing until Glenn Hoddle went mad and got the sack.
Oh that's right Hoddle didn't fancy him at all

"needs 7 or 8 chances to score" was the quote wasn't it? Pretty horrible thing for your England manager to say about you.
 

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You needed strikers who could do a bit of everything as Cole could, but people still saw strikers as scorers first and foremost and maybe that contributed to him not being appreciated as much as he should have been.
Thierry Henry talked about it with Rio Ferdinand some years ago. Saying Ronaldo (at an exceptional level as he was as good in front of the goal as in open plays) and George Weah in mid/late 90s revolutionized the leading/sole striker role at international level. I think Andy Cole was right on the train.

121 goals and 46 assists without a penalty or freekick IIRC and the ability to work well with many offensive partners is actually quite frightening.
 

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He was unlucky to have Shearer, Sheringham & to a lesser extent Fowler fighting for an England spot. It's all in the timing though as you could argue Fowler was the more natural striker than the other three but barely got a look in for England. Injuries and other issues may have held him back though, memory fading a bit!
 

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Oh that's right Hoddle didn't fancy him at all

"needs 7 or 8 chances to score" was the quote wasn't it? Pretty horrible thing for your England manager to say about you.
It was true though. He scored some great goals but his finishing was in general erratic
 

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Oh that's right Hoddle didn't fancy him at all

"needs 7 or 8 chances to score" was the quote wasn't it? Pretty horrible thing for your England manager to say about you.
England's loss was our gain. I seem to remember that soon after that quote Fergie vocally backed him in the media and he couldn't stop banging in goals for us.
Cracking player
 

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don't think he'd have have scored so many if he needed that many chances to score
I think Hoddle was trying to say he wasn't a lethal finisher, compared to other top strikers of the era.
 

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I think Hoddle was trying to say he wasn't a lethal finisher, compared to other top strikers of the era.
He wasn't compared to Shearer, but that's no shame really. Saying what he said damaged his reputation a little bit, there's no need for it IMO.
 

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Unfortunately I can’t attest to ever watching him as I was 6 when he left us, but his stats are remarkable.

He had 68 goals in 84 appearances at Newcastle. 121 in 275 for Manchester United.

How the feck did he only get 15 caps for England?!
Shearer and Sheringham were ahead of him.
 

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Oh that's right Hoddle didn't fancy him at all

"needs 7 or 8 chances to score" was the quote wasn't it? Pretty horrible thing for your England manager to say about you.
Yeah, and the commentators and presenters of MOTD repeated it or something like it every week for years, because once they've stuck a label on someone they just use it again and again because they're so lazy.

Take away penalties and Cole's record was as good as Shearer's, although he was fecking dearer I believe.
 

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Is Cole underrated, I don't think so. I believe Cole is well respected by most Utd fans, just not at the same level as RVN, Rooney, Giggs, Scholes or Catonna level. Coles & Yorke scrored lots of goals for the club but they were never iconic nor dragging the club along. They were faithful servants and got the job done. I still kept one of the analysis on strikers regarding Cole. "....Andy Cole will always be remembered as the man who needed 5 chances to score, but Andy Cole has a better goalscoring record than Alan Shearer. Rob Smith Feb1 2007."

For someone not a natural goal scorer, Cole was good at his time, but not going to make it in modern days, unless you are PSG when every clubs simply lie down for you to shoot. If fans have doubt on Lukaku already, should they be excited by Cole?
 

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Is Cole underrated, I don't think so. I believe Cole is well respected by most Utd fans, just not at the same level as RVN, Rooney, Giggs, Scholes or Catonna level. Coles & Yorke scrored lots of goals for the club but they were never iconic nor dragging the club along. They were faithful servants and got the job done. I still kept one of the analysis on strikers regarding Cole. "....Andy Cole will always be remembered as the man who needed 5 chances to score, but Andy Cole has a better goalscoring record than Alan Shearer. Rob Smith Feb1 2007."

For someone not a natural goal scorer, Cole was good at his time, but not going to make it in modern days, unless you are PSG when every clubs simply lie down for you to shoot. If fans have doubt on Lukaku already, should they be excited by Cole?
Cole was a far better player than Lukaku who will probably end up with 70+ international goals to Cole's 1.

Add in Cole and Yorke being one of the best strike partnerships in recent memory with one of the great CL goals as their stand out moment and saying they were never iconic is strange. For about 18 months they were the best strike pairing in the game.
 

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He was a great player but those comments from Glenn Hoddle killed him, even if they weren't totally untrue. He did blow a bit hot and cold and it seemed like he wasn't the easiest to get on with.
 

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A bit of revisionism going on here I think.

Yes, he could bang them in on form but he missed loads nearly every game too.

And it took him quite a few games to place his boots up after he first joined.
 

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During Cole's era there was two sort of strikers. You had the goal poacher (ex Shearer, Batistuta, Vieri, Fowler etc) and then there was the mezza punta who linked the midfield with the forward line (ex Cantona, Baggio, Zola, Raul etc). Cole was ahead of his time. He scored his share of goals and he could easily drop deep and help midfield as well. Unfortunately if pigeon holed in one of those roles then Cole wasn't exactly top tier. There were better goal poachers then he was and there were way better mezza punta then he was.

Its really a shame really. If he was playing now he could easily put Rashford and Lukaku on the bench.
 

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He struggled a bit with his control at the start but I've never seen anyone improve that part of their game so well and so quickly. Everything fell into place after that. Legend.
 

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Yes, he was excellent and often isn't recognised as such. When you look back at the 99 team, people always name Solskjaer out of the 4 strikers, but Cole and Yorke were better players who were unfortunate to not have scored the most important goal in my lifetime as Solskjaer did.

My mate who is a Newcastle fan has always been adament that Cole was nothing but a finisher and wasn't good at anything else, which bugs me. To me, he wasn't the most ruthless finisher (though still a very good one!), but he was a great team player. A great goal scorer but his overall technique was solid, and he forged very good partnerships with everyone he played with.

England had a strong line up of centre forwards back then so he (and many others) didn't really get a look in, which perhaps tarnishes his legacy a little bit. Though it shouldn't. He was a massive part of one of, if not the best team we've ever had.
 

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don't think he'd have have scored so many if he needed that many chances to score
Hoddle was exaggerating a little but Cole would need probably three decent chances a game to score. It would be rare that he'd get one chance and score it.
 

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Hoddle was exaggerating a little but Cole would need probably three decent chances a game to score. It would be rare that he'd get one chance and score it.
well the stats speak for themselves

3rd top scorer in EPL history, without pens
 

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Cole was brilliant at finding chances - but he simply wasn't lethal enough. He played for the best team in England by far in his entire career - and still his strike rate was less than 1 goal every 2 games. For a player who was lightning quick, score headers, tap-ins, acrobatic goals - and had Scholes, Beckham, Cantona, Giggs etc to supply him - that just wasn't good enough.

So as much as I liked Andy Cole, I still always feel we never got more than 90% out of him.
 

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It's always easier looking back to say he was an amazing player with all his goals and medals. During his hey day , I was in my 20s and my obsession with supporting Utd was at its peak, attending home and away on a regular basis.
I can honestly say he was a very frustrating player to watch. His goals covered up the cracks (a bit like Lukkuka). He did miss alot of chances, but we made alot of chances so it didn't really effect our dominance.
In my opinion he was a good player, but not a great player.
 

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He was unlucky to have Shearer, Sheringham & to a lesser extent Fowler fighting for an England spot. It's all in the timing though as you could argue Fowler was the more natural striker than the other three but barely got a look in for England. Injuries and other issues may have held him back though, memory fading a bit!
He was well below the pecking order for England.
You missed out;
Les Ferdinand
Stan Collynore
Micheal Owen
Ian Wight
 

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His goal at home against Newcastle (95?) was one of the best finishes I've ever seen. His link up play with Yorke was incredible. Their performance away to Barca was amazing, never seen anything like it or since.

Incredible player.
 
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My mate who is a Newcastle fan has always been adament that Cole was nothing but a finisher and wasn't good at anything else, which bugs me.
When he was at Newcastle, that's pretty much what he was. His overall game developed after he came to us in 1995 leading up to his pairing with Yorkie where we saw the best of him.