Yes, to an extent. But he didn't have a clue how to fix it.
Jose Mourinho - Was He Right?
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He was right about player quality, but he was obviously wrong about his own inability to make any progress after over two years and countless transfers.
Absolute and utter garbage, hang your head in shame posting such laughable, sensationalist drivel.
A 'terrible manager' who won a European final, a League Cup, F.A Cup runner up and finished 2nd just last season, above Liverpool and Tottenham...
If OGS achieved even half of that you'd be heralding him as a success.
And then using Mourinho to excuse the current manager from any present / future failings. Pathetic stuff.
Mourinho needed to go - he made it so that he had to after he was hung out to dry by Woodward and he lost the dressing room.
But he won trophies here, and he kept us above Liverpool - he is our most successful manager post SAF.
And if Mourinho had received VVD rather than Klopp, we'd be above Liverpool still - albeit playing rubbish football.
It's astonishing that after 6 transfer windows under Mou that out of the remaining Jose buys, I'd only keep Pogba, Lindelof, Fred and Dalot. And not one of them has even been an undeniable success so far. No wonder our squad is shite when we can't get our transfer business right.
He was right, and no one was saying that this squad was good enough to fight for trophies, and we were not as good as top teams. The problem was he had no clue how to fix it.
He did not use the academy players at all, in pre season he blatantly said they were not his players, which was pathetic. He also had his favourites, that were also not good enough but always played. The players he was rumoured to want would also be more problematic than helpful.
He did not use the academy players at all, in pre season he blatantly said they were not his players, which was pathetic. He also had his favourites, that were also not good enough but always played. The players he was rumoured to want would also be more problematic than helpful.
It is in some way situation when winner writes history. Jose has old school management "I am the boss". He is very similiar to our Fergie. But he had two major flaws. Playing defensive football which United fans don't like and after first season, he didn't had results. Because he started to blame people around him, fans turned their back to him. And when someone is evil in your eyes, everything what he does is evil.
But if we can be objective for a few minutes then we can see that in many things he was right.
1) Attitude of our young players and Pogba. Wow, how fans attacked him when he spoke about Rashford, Lingard, Martial and Shaw. Now, can we say that he was right?
2) He wanted leader defender.
3) He wanted winger
4) He said that we need to spend much more money to fight with other top clubs
Of course that the way how he did all that was completely wrong and by doing that he ruined team spirit and morale in and around the club so he deserved to be sacked. But yes, he was right in many things.
But if we can be objective for a few minutes then we can see that in many things he was right.
1) Attitude of our young players and Pogba. Wow, how fans attacked him when he spoke about Rashford, Lingard, Martial and Shaw. Now, can we say that he was right?
2) He wanted leader defender.
3) He wanted winger
4) He said that we need to spend much more money to fight with other top clubs
Of course that the way how he did all that was completely wrong and by doing that he ruined team spirit and morale in and around the club so he deserved to be sacked. But yes, he was right in many things.
I don't think anyone was disagreeing with his assessment of the state of the players, club etc. Pretty much everyone disagreed with how he went about trying to resolve it though. In the end he proved his methodology couldn't work here. He did well to win some trophies though and his assessment that 2nd was his best achievement doesn't look quite so facetious in retrospect.
Nonsense. Perisic would have been one more dud on high wages we struggle to offload.
He might be right about squad quality and all that but he was one of the main reason for this mess. Luckily he was sacked before he could do more damage.
I can't believe someone actually said we should have bought Perisic and Willian. This is truly the end of days.
He was a terrible manager look at the league table when he left, the mood at the club and his behaviour. It’s laughable how quickly people forget the mess we were in and Mourinho was a huge part of that even if he was ‘runner up in the FA Cup’ (bet that’s on his CV). How did he keep us above Liverpool? One season out of three and did you watch his last game in charge?. Who looked the better team in that game?. Think you should hang your head for that one alone and that’s one of most laughable statements I’ve seen in a long time. He couldn’t even keep us above Arsenal.
He also finished 6th and this season who knows how far we’d have fallen, 7th, 8th or maybe worse. No idea what VVD has to do with it, maybe Boateng would have had the same impact.
Mourinho signed a lot of these players so yeah he has left behind problems, he also has an outdated and negative brand of football which again caused issues. I have no idea if Ole will be a success or
not but league cups and Europa Leagues don’t cut it for me.
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I think he was right about certain things, but the majority of the time Jose was talking through his hoop, making excuses and blaming everyone around him for people not performing.
Jose took the problems that we have in the club and the squad, and then added to them ten fold.. so good riddance to him
Jose took the problems that we have in the club and the squad, and then added to them ten fold.. so good riddance to him
Wrong. Completely wrong. If anything, the irony is Martial is now the dud on high wages.
We came second last season with these players minus £75 million or so in players that we signed with Mourinho as manager.
Our defense was important in us finishing there.
Then in the summer Mourinho complains about the defense, showing he has no faith in those defenders. We go into the new season with a new pairing of Bailly and Lindelof and our defense is destabilized by Mourinho himself and unsurprisingly we let in too many goals. We spent until Jan trying to get our defending back under control and eventually with Smalling and Lindelof, plus a midfield 3 of Matic, Ander and Pogba we finally sorted it.
Then our players got injured and we lost momentum.
The players have shown they were good enough to do what they did last season. They've shown they were good enough to do what Ole had them doing for a run of matches.
Its the tactics that both managers need to work on.
Our defense was important in us finishing there.
Then in the summer Mourinho complains about the defense, showing he has no faith in those defenders. We go into the new season with a new pairing of Bailly and Lindelof and our defense is destabilized by Mourinho himself and unsurprisingly we let in too many goals. We spent until Jan trying to get our defending back under control and eventually with Smalling and Lindelof, plus a midfield 3 of Matic, Ander and Pogba we finally sorted it.
Then our players got injured and we lost momentum.
The players have shown they were good enough to do what they did last season. They've shown they were good enough to do what Ole had them doing for a run of matches.
Its the tactics that both managers need to work on.
No, they were. Everything shit was joses fault and once he was gone everything would be merry. Even now they cant admit they were wrong and place the blame where it needs to be placed. Im not even 100% sure his signings were his. He seemed to buy players and then not use them, or struggle to fit them in to what he wanted to do.
Player power has fecked this club, and its looking to do it again. Marketing is all woodward cares about. If he gave a shit about the football he would have backed jose after getting 2nd. Instead, we got that shit.
People complaining about width, build up and transitions and sit there scratching their ass wondering why we have these problems. Yes Perisic would have made us a better team. Actually watch how he operates across the whole length of the pitch and his qualities in all three phases of attack.
Jose was pointing out the issues, without acknowledging that he was one of them! instead of fixing these so called wrongs he just shifted blame from one thing to another.
Or when we won't the title in 12/13.I don't remember him being here when we were embarrassed in the EL back in 2012
You're correct in your assessment of course. No one is blameless.
He was right though in what he said
I'm not saying he was the sole reason. But he was a big part of it given he was given the responsibility to run the team for 2.5 years.
All our managers were right about many things. Jose was great at point out problems. Would have been nice if he knew how to solve them as well.
dud is being too kind. Saying that though, playing along side lingard must be soul destroying.
There are many negative things we can say about Mourinho, and he was deservedly sacked. However he's not a stupid man and he knows how to manage a football team. What he said about our team was correct and we were wrong to defend the players in favour of blaming everything on him. It's clear to me now that (most of) our players are trash, and have very poor attitudes. In a way I feel sorry for Mourinho and van Gaal, they were obviously at their wits end with many of these wasters.
Not sure what you think he could have done? He was the manager, or are he said eventually "im just a coach", implying that woodward was playing millionaires football manager. Which would explain why jose didnt seem to have play for some players we brought in.
What do you disagree with from that, specifically?
Mourihno and Van Gaal were right, there is something really wrong with the squad and the board that runs this club.
Both Jose and LvG were right in their assessment of our club. Heck, even Moyes had a point when he claimed the squad wasn't good enough.
Unfortunately, as all 3 duffers failed miserably in their jobs, they were part of the problem and hence have no right to point things out, even if it is correct. Pot. Kettle.
Unfortunately, as all 3 duffers failed miserably in their jobs, they were part of the problem and hence have no right to point things out, even if it is correct. Pot. Kettle.
Of course he was right he is a top level coach for a reason. God forbid he reprimanded these pre madonnas type of footballers. Had he got the chance to build the squad he wanted might have been different. Much better coach then Ole obviously (he is still too inexperienced). He asked fro center backs among other players and the board would not give it to him.
Mourinho would have been the perfect manager to replace SAF. He would have had a better set of players at hand (experience and quality).
When he joined us, he's base set of players was quite poor (this is due to the ripping apart of the team from the previous two managers).
We must not forget the obvious, Mourinho could never build a team from scratch he always enhanced teams by adding a few worldies or very good players to the teams he inherited.
So yes, he was right to point out that we are lacking in most departments but the situation also highlighted his limited managerial abilities.
When he joined us, he's base set of players was quite poor (this is due to the ripping apart of the team from the previous two managers).
We must not forget the obvious, Mourinho could never build a team from scratch he always enhanced teams by adding a few worldies or very good players to the teams he inherited.
So yes, he was right to point out that we are lacking in most departments but the situation also highlighted his limited managerial abilities.
Apart from the complete adulation for Mourinho, how about the bit about Ole being heralded a success having done half of what Jose managed?
Poor Mourinho. Killed by the sword of his own greatness. It's really weird how despite being so awesomazing, he left us in tatters with everyone moaning about everything.
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About a lot of things yes – What was most annoying about him was a total lack of willingness to accept he’d made mistakes.
There’s no way he didn’t have a huge say in signing Pogba and Alexis. Even if the club wanted to pursue big marquee names Mourinho definitely wanted them. A lot of the players’ failures are by extension his. He had enough time and money to put together a better group even if he was undermined by the board at times. He gets a free pass for the last window because what went on was a disgrace.
He was certainly right (eventually) about Pogba’s attitude – I was saying this even in the midst of his great run under Ole. He could score 40 goals – You just can’t forget this guy came out with the “I’ll be fined if I share my feelings” garbage after one game of the season. A game we won and where he was named captain in an effort to clear the air. All because Mourinho had occasionally started criticising him after nearly two years of relentlessly defending him. Atrocious character and I’m sure his inexplicable popularity in the dressing room brought a lot round to his way of thinking. Virus indeed. Madrid are welcome to him.
He was right about Martial. Great talent but way too inconsistent to be relied upon over a season. Always struggled to impose himself in big games, especially away from home and his work rate at times is just disgraceful. His distance covered stats tell the story – He just doesn’t have the attitude to make it the way Sane and Sterling have. He plays when he wants. Shouldn’t have been given a new contract. Perisic and Willian may not have been the answer (I think Perisic would have been an upgrade) but we definitely need a player who will offer more. I’m pretty sure when he does eventually leave he will be moving down a level.
He was also right about Woodward and the shambolic setup at the club. If they were going to give Mourinho a new deal then they had to back him – Literally 6 months later they were completely working against him. Woodward making any football decisions is absolutely laughable. Along with the Glazers he’s the biggest problem at the club and the common denominator through this reign of failure.
There’s no way he didn’t have a huge say in signing Pogba and Alexis. Even if the club wanted to pursue big marquee names Mourinho definitely wanted them. A lot of the players’ failures are by extension his. He had enough time and money to put together a better group even if he was undermined by the board at times. He gets a free pass for the last window because what went on was a disgrace.
He was certainly right (eventually) about Pogba’s attitude – I was saying this even in the midst of his great run under Ole. He could score 40 goals – You just can’t forget this guy came out with the “I’ll be fined if I share my feelings” garbage after one game of the season. A game we won and where he was named captain in an effort to clear the air. All because Mourinho had occasionally started criticising him after nearly two years of relentlessly defending him. Atrocious character and I’m sure his inexplicable popularity in the dressing room brought a lot round to his way of thinking. Virus indeed. Madrid are welcome to him.
He was right about Martial. Great talent but way too inconsistent to be relied upon over a season. Always struggled to impose himself in big games, especially away from home and his work rate at times is just disgraceful. His distance covered stats tell the story – He just doesn’t have the attitude to make it the way Sane and Sterling have. He plays when he wants. Shouldn’t have been given a new contract. Perisic and Willian may not have been the answer (I think Perisic would have been an upgrade) but we definitely need a player who will offer more. I’m pretty sure when he does eventually leave he will be moving down a level.
He was also right about Woodward and the shambolic setup at the club. If they were going to give Mourinho a new deal then they had to back him – Literally 6 months later they were completely working against him. Woodward making any football decisions is absolutely laughable. Along with the Glazers he’s the biggest problem at the club and the common denominator through this reign of failure.
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Valencia - CB - CB - Young
Matic - Pogba
Mata - Lingard - MR/AM/AS
Lukaku
That was probably what our eleven was during the season (certainly at home) when we finished 2nd. Someone sit there and tell me what the fans would think of that eleven now. Yet it is what got us to 2nd in the league. Even on paper you can see the deficiencies in build up and transition. Now going into the summer the manager should be backed to fix these problems, but he wasn't. Woodward is a total clown.
If you move Pogba from the deeper area we lose a big factor in our build up and transition. Even now people don't seem to understand that. People wonder why Lingard looks half the player playing on the right. They didn't understand the role Mata and Lingard played in their respective positions. Or the relatinship of Lukaku the number 9, and Lingard the number 10. The answer as to why Martial was not playing better was that Jose was holding him back. There was soo much said that year yet we finished 2nd. Someone explain it to me.
Valencia - CB - CB - Young
Matic - Pogba
Mata - Lingard - MR/AM/AS
Lukaku
That was probably what our eleven was during the season (certainly at home) when we finished 2nd. Someone sit there and tell me what the fans would think of that eleven now. Yet it is what got us to 2nd in the league. Even on paper you can see the deficiencies in build up and transition. Now going into the summer the manager should be backed to fix these problems, but he wasn't. Woodward is a total clown.
If you move Pogba from the deeper area we lose a big factor in our build up and transition. Even now people don't seem to understand that. People wonder why Lingard looks half the player playing on the right. They didn't understand the role Mata and Lingard played in their respective positions. Or the relatinship of Lukaku the number 9, and Lingard the number 10. The answer as to why Martial was not playing better was that Jose was holding him back. There was soo much said that year yet we finished 2nd. Someone explain it to me.
He was correct, and I don't think anyone pretended otherwise, unless they had their head buried in the sand. But of course, what he completely tried to absolve himself from was that he himself spent poorly and failed to address these issues.
And most of the people I am aware of on here who wanted him gone, never said the squad was good enough for a title challenge, but we are fairly good enough to at least finish top 4. But due to Jose's tactics, he fell out with the players and his stint became untenable. He had to go. It doesn't make him 100% wrong or at fault though. There's a lot of blame to go around, IMO.
And most of the people I am aware of on here who wanted him gone, never said the squad was good enough for a title challenge, but we are fairly good enough to at least finish top 4. But due to Jose's tactics, he fell out with the players and his stint became untenable. He had to go. It doesn't make him 100% wrong or at fault though. There's a lot of blame to go around, IMO.
This.
We all knew that for us to genuinely compete, we needed a reshuffle in the way we run the club and how we recruit players. Most people knew that getting Ole is pointless unless we get a DoF to handle the football side of things and leave Ed to his noodle partners.
It's so obvious people don't even watch players, they post randomly.He was right in terms of this squad not being good enough and that we need football people at board level. What Mou omits though is that this squad was mostly built by himself and that he resisted the idea of us adding a DOF.
Its basically like a kid crashing the car only to blame his parents for letting the keys on the table. With the only difference that the kid in question expected the parents to just keep buying cars and keep letting the keys on the table until he finally learns how to drive.
Its basically like a kid crashing the car only to blame his parents for letting the keys on the table. With the only difference that the kid in question expected the parents to just keep buying cars and keep letting the keys on the table until he finally learns how to drive.
Sure he was right, but he was part of the problem too.
And if he had his way, we would probably be stuck with Willian, Boateng and a some other oldies on high wages whilst on the decline.
And if he had his way, we would probably be stuck with Willian, Boateng and a some other oldies on high wages whilst on the decline.
This is it. He is one of the big reasons we aren't one of the best teams but his finger is pointed at everyone except himself. The only reason our form has dropped is the players aren't fit enough for Ole ball after months of bus parking.
Oh trust me, everything I have been saying about Martial for two years, people are starting to agree with. The excuse of Jose is now gone for Anthony.
Exactly he was unfairly treated yet the fans were ready to suck Ole off at the first chance they had. If you are not going to back your coach than no shet he wont succeed.