"Finishing 2nd with this team a great achievement"

[el3mel]

Several months ago the squad was great, could play great football and Mourinho was holding them back, now the squad is shite and he's responsible for building this shite squad. No consistency at all. As I said, RAWKish level in terms of hatred it's funny.

He was right in almost everything he thought about us as a club and about players it's kinda scary for me as it shows how big the mess is.

I don't even disagree with him bashing our lot in public. These players deserve this.

The only thing he was wrong in imo was throwing the towel after the board refused to do business this summer. Should have tried or resigned in summer.

Any other thing, finishing 2nd, Pogba, Martial, Woodward, board etc, he was right in all of these.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Using Solskjaer’s failures and incompetence to prop up Mourinho’s is creative because it manages to absolve both of responsibility

Yep

 

[Infra-red]

We would be one of the favorites for the Europa League if we were in it again next season.

Equalling his achievement is not surpassing it. You think a Premier League/Champions League win is on our horizon?

Which will mean he was right all along....

Yes. He's a twat who deserved to get fired, but he was right about the squad and right about Woodward. Unfortunately.

 

[Canagel]

Mourinho 2nd place has no value. He left us 19 points off the top so even LVG had finished closer in points to the top 17 or 18. Klopp and Pep is showing what a proper title race looks like.

Mourinho had spent the same as klopp. He failed. We don't need to vindicate him.

 

[WR10]

It's odd the common argument in here is that Mourinho created his own mess (transfer market) and polished his own shit to make it to 2nd.
He fell out with the club because they were not making his signings. The transfer market brainsharts were not Mourinho. Mourinho is bragging about the fact that he dealt with Ed's garbage transfer market to make it to 2nd.

Poor arguments.
If Ole is dealt the same hands that Mourinho was he will crumble as well. It's simple.

 

[lsd]

It's odd the common argument in here is that Mourinho created his own mess (transfer market) and polished his own shit to make it to 2nd.
He fell out with the club because they were not making his signings. The transfer market brainsharts were not Mourinho. Mourinho is bragging about the fact that he dealt with Ed's garbage transfer market to make it to 2nd.

Poor arguments.
If Ole is dealt the same hands that Mourinho was he will crumble as well. It's simple.

That's not true though he got the players he wanted when he came a distant distant distant second.

He moaned this season about not getting who he wanted and as a result we were close to 20 points outside the top four as he threw his toys out if the pram and was a total embarrassment to the club

 

[Bruno Marques]

That's not true though he got the players he wanted when he came a distant distant distant second.

He moaned this season about not getting who he wanted and as a result we were close to 20 points outside the top four as he threw his toys out if the pram and was a total embarrassment to the club

Yeah, Jose was the embarassment for the club. The embarassement for the last what, 6 years? 7 years? I understand that people don't like him because of what he did when he was an oposite manager but not seing the truth that this clucb is completely rotten...

 

[RedDevil@84]

I would say yes. He was pretty much right about the attitude of players and also at the club's structure. And 2nd was a more than decent achievement. Not remarkable as such because we were not closer to 1st in anyway.
But then by the 3rd season, his position had become untenable. He had fought with the players and was openly slating the club hierarchy. In the end, he got what he longed for.

PS: This is not an endorsement of his ways of running a team or the manner in which he behaves. He is what he is and we pretty much knew what we were getting when we signed him.

 

[lsd]

Yeah, Jose was the embarassment for the club. The embarassement for the last what, 6 years? 7 years? I understand that people don't like him because of what he did when he was an oposite manager but not seing the truth that this clucb is completely rotten...

You really think the way he behaved from the summer tour till when he got sacked was not an embarrassment?

He was like a spoilt child throwing tantrums blaming everyone but him

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Not to mention the high wages for the free transfers. This should be a copy paste for all those defending Mourinho.

Or this should be a copy/paste for all those that continue to insist that jose had anything to do with the money side of the business. Thats all on woodward. And no amount of but, but, but, he was toxic or whatever is going to change the fact that your issue is still an issue as the man responsible for that issue is still here.

 

[Bruno Marques]

You really think the way he behaved from the summer tour till when he got sacked was not an embarrassment?

He was like a spoilt child throwing tantrums blaming everyone but him

It was, but it looks like he had his reasons to do so. And those are being proven. You can see that has bad or you can see it has that he was the only one that wanted the best for the club. The board wanted to back the players. The players wanted the manager to left. And the manager wanted to have conditions to do the best he could for the club. (don't get me wrong, of course the best for the club was the best for him also)

The thing is, he left but nothing changed ,the club and the fans will live everything again, and again, and again.

 

[Canagel]

That's not true though he got the players he wanted when he came a distant distant distant second.

He moaned this season about not getting who he wanted and as a result we were close to 20 points outside the top four as he threw his toys out if the pram and was a total embarrassment to the club

People forgets it was mourinho himself that proudly stated the team was ready to challenge for the league and when he got shown up by City at OT ending the weakest title challenge of history he started backtracking with excuses of spending which continued right until the sacking .

https://www.skysports.com/football/...nited-are-ready-for-a-serious-title-challenge

1 year later:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46565595

 

[CM]

We're covering old ground here. We finished second but we were still miles off City and the football was fecking dire.

Mourinho was given the opportunity to spend big but his vision was archaic and fundamentally flawed. He couldn't get a tune out of his signings and was more preoccupied with recruiting 'warriors' than players who actually had the ability to take us forward. I don't see the achievement in that.

 

[AFC NimbleThumb]

the more i watch this team under ole the more i think had jose not been a baby about things & imploded into toxic-jose he would have been able to expose some of these lot.

his fascination with average players aside [matic & rom] he didn’t have much else to call upon.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

He spent a lot of money on dross that didn't improve the team and barely improved any players he inherited.

He okay'd the 75 mil pounds for Lukaku....

He was a complete and utter failure as a United manager. We progressively played worse football under him culminating in our spineless display at Anfield in which Liverpool out-shot us like 36 to 9 or thereabouts.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

People forgets it was mourinho himself that proudly stated the team was ready to challenge for the league and when he got shown up by City at OT ending the weakest title challenge of history he started backtracking with excuses of spending which continued right until the sacking .

https://www.skysports.com/football/...nited-are-ready-for-a-serious-title-challenge

1 year later:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/sport/amp/football/46565595

Bravo.

Why some still persist in defending Mourinho is beyond me.

He should have been sacked after his embarrassing post match comments following our exit against Sevilla in the CL.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Jose assembled

Some have conveniently forgotten that part which is strange cause he kept telling us about his list.

 

[RooneyLegend]

Jose' Signings:

Paul Pogba - 105,00 Mill. €
Henrikh Mkhitaryan - 42,00 Mill. €
Eric Bailly - 38,00 Mill. €
Zlatan Ibrahimovic - Free Transfer
Romelu Lukaku - 84,70 Mill. €
Nemanja Matic - 44,70 Mill. €
Victor Lindelöf - 35,00 Mill. €
Alexis Sánchez - Free Transfer
Fred - 59,00 Mill. €
Diogo Dalot - 22,00 Mill. €
Lee Grant - 1,70 Mill. €

At this point in time, you can look through that list and shudder. 430million spent for fecks sake.

That's painful reading.

 

[Snow]

Mourinho 2nd place has no value. He left us 19 points off the top so even LVG had finished closer in points to the top 17 or 18. Klopp and Pep is showing what a proper title race looks like.

Mourinho had spent the same as klopp. He failed. We don't need to vindicate him.

I guess we never had a proper title race in Fergie's tenure.

 

[Nucks]

Mourinho was a total cancer at Utd . His football was rubbish he treated the club like dirt .and we would have finished 12th at best with him tis season.

The amount of people still supporting him is shocking

Yet, Ole's biggest win was playing Mourhinho ball. PSG away was 100% Mourinho style.

 

[Jojo <3 Mou]

No.

Mourinho bought pretty much our entire first 11. If they weren’t good enough then that’s his responsibility.

He was lucky to finish second though, that much is true.

What!

Lukaku
Alexis

Nemanja Matic
Fred
Paul Pogba

Eric Bailly
Victor Lindelöf
Diogo Dalot

Lee Grant

ENTRIRE FIRST ELEVEN !!!

 

[hn4manunited]

What!

Lukaku
Alexis

Nemanja Matic
Fred
Paul Pogba

Eric Bailly
Victor Lindelöf
Diogo Dalot

Lee Grant

ENTRIRE FIRST ELEVEN !!!

Most posters on here are naive to think that this is the team Jose assembled as his first 11. The Jose who has been a serial winner everywhere he’s been...this is not how Jose sets up his teams. He doesn’t buy unproven center halves. He doesn’t buy a third string keeper as a preference. He is working within restrictions of how Ed wants to do his business!

 

[hn4manunited]

Yes, it was a great achievement. And remember the same team got to the FA Cup Final.

Mourinho's downfall was promarily due to his frankness with the players, Woodward/the board and the fans. He was pissed off with the back tracking on building on last season's achievements and this spilled over. He had his faults and contributed to the problems we have now but I have no doubt that if he had the backing he wanted, we would be in the title race right now.

When he was not backed in the summer to improve and challenge City’s dominance, he was basically done here. He has no interest in being second best season after season.

If you all remember, Zlatan has said in one of the interviews that he was surprised to see how Jose is being so patient with the players here at United. He usually demands a great deal. That just shows you how much he has had to do with this squad.

 

[hn4manunited]

Several months ago the squad was great, could play great football and Mourinho was holding them back, now the squad is shite and he's responsible for building this shite squad. No consistency at all. As I said, RAWKish level in terms of hatred it's funny.

He was right in almost everything he thought about us as a club and about players it's kinda scary for me as it shows how big the mess is.

I don't even disagree with him bashing our lot in public. These players deserve this.

The only thing he was wrong in imo was throwing the towel after the board refused to do business this summer. Should have tried or resigned in summer.

Any other thing, finishing 2nd, Pogba, Martial, Woodward, board etc, he was right in all of these.

Throwing in the towel was the only way to get out of this mess. I don’t blame him because it’s just another step to expose the mess at our club.

 

[hn4manunited]

It's odd the common argument in here is that Mourinho created his own mess (transfer market) and polished his own shit to make it to 2nd.
He fell out with the club because they were not making his signings. The transfer market brainsharts were not Mourinho. Mourinho is bragging about the fact that he dealt with Ed's garbage transfer market to make it to 2nd.

Poor arguments.
If Ole is dealt the same hands that Mourinho was he will crumble as well. It's simple.

Yep

 

[Walters_19_MuFc]

Changing from a 4231 (his favoured formation) to a 433 (to suit Pogba) was his problem.

 

[hn4manunited]

I would say yes. He was pretty much right about the attitude of players and also at the club's structure. And 2nd was a more than decent achievement. Not remarkable as such because we were not closer to 1st in anyway.
But then by the 3rd season, his position had become untenable. He had fought with the players and was openly slating the club hierarchy. In the end, he got what he longed for.

PS: This is not an endorsement of his ways of running a team or the manner in which he behaves. He is what he is and we pretty much knew what we were getting when we signed him.

If I remember right, Jose only behaves that way when player power is in play and the hierarchy is not empowering him as the manager. He didn’t have these issues at Porto or at Inter. He had the right set of players that the hierarchy backed him with, and they entrusted him with where they were going, and then went on to achieve great things.

He has dropped hints since leaving here saying he will choose his clubs wisely and only the ones who has the same desires as he does and are aligned with what they want to achieve. That is as clear as we’re ever gonna get to Ed not backing him all the way.

 

[Keeps It tidy]

Changing from a 4231 (his favoured formation) to a 433 (to suit Pogba) was his problem.

He won 2 titles with Chelsea playing 4-3-3

 

[hn4manunited]

Not to mention the high wages for the free transfers. This should be a copy paste for all those defending Mourinho.

Or this should be a copy/paste for all those that continue to insist that jose had anything to do with the money side of the business. Thats all on woodward. And no amount of but, but, but, he was toxic or whatever is going to change the fact that your issue is still an issue as the man responsible for that issue is still here.

I don’t understand how fans are still not seeing this.

 

[ErranMorad]

One thing our current drop in form has done is given the Jose fellators a new lease of life. I, personally, am chuffed for them.

The reality is we'll finish the season with a minimum of 71 points or a maximum of 73 points, and this despite Jose sabotaging half our season. All he did starting the pre-season was try to dent the players confidence and predicting doom in a self-fulfilling prophecy. 81 points was no great achievement, it is our level.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

One thing our current drop in form has done is given the Jose fellators a new lease of life. I, personally, am chuffed for them.

The reality is we'll finish the season with a minimum of 71 points or a maximum of 73 points, and this despite Jose sabotaging half our season. All he did starting the pre-season was try to dent the players confidence and predicting doom in a self-fulfilling prophecy. 81 points was no great achievement, it is our level.

81 points is our level. I can’t even.

 

[hn4manunited]

One thing our current drop in form has done is given the Jose fellators a new lease of life. I, personally, am chuffed for them.

The reality is we'll finish the season with a minimum of 71 points or a maximum of 73 points, and this despite Jose sabotaging half our season. All he did starting the pre-season was try to dent the players confidence and predicting doom in a self-fulfilling prophecy. 81 points was no great achievement, it is our level.

I think you should look past the Jose name in posts from your so-called “Jose fellators” because there are objective points in those posts other than Jose is a great manager. You’re in dreamland if you think 81 is our level. It takes a lot more than just sending these average players without a spine to go out there and achieve 81 points.

 

[Reddy Rederson]

I don’t understand how fans are still not seeing this.

Because it doesn’t fit their narrative that Jose was all evil. Jose is the devil, and he did it all. They’ll never admit they were wrong, they’ve gone tribal with it now. Lingard is world class and was held back by Jose. You’ll see, next year once ole lets him run free he’ll be “messe lingod” again .

 

[hn4manunited]

Because it doesn’t fit their narrative that Jose was all evil. Jose is the devil, and he did it all. They’ll never admit they were wrong, they’ve gone tribal with it now. Lingard is world class and was held back by Jose. You’ll see, next year once ole lets him run free he’ll be “messe lingod” again .

I guess you may be right about those posters. I always try to believe fans here having the best intentions for the betterment of our club.

 

[lawliet354]

Yet I love the "Jose wasn't backed" narrative. Yet in his first and the beginning of his second years, when signings like Pogba, Bailly, Ibra, Matic, Lukaku etc. seemed to have been "successful" - all we were told was how well he spent and how strong the spine of the team is. And I agreed at the time.

Then it all went to shit, and all of a sudden Jose barely had any say in those signings, it was all Ed, he didn't get his first choice signings, blah blah blah.

A lot of people said Jose wasn't backed because he didn't get Perisic and Willian, thank God Ed didn't back him. We'll be left with old, aging, mediocre squad with young players didn't get a chance to play. Imagine Sanchez, Matic, Perisic and Willian playing for United till 2023.

 

[hn4manunited]

A lot of people said Jose wasn't backed because he didn't get Perisic and Willian, thank God Ed didn't back him. We'll be left with old, aging, mediocre squad with young players didn't get a chance to play. Imagine Sanchez, Matic, Perisic and Willian playing for United till 2023.

I see your argument but most posters who think this way are missing the point of a team concept. It takes more than young players to make up a team. Especially the young players at our club now need senior players to show them what hard work is. You can slate willian and Perisic all day about their age but I bet you they will work harder than most of our young players. It is because they have that fight in their DNA. They don’t cower and fold like our young players. Successful teams all have a good mix of older and younger.

 

[BalanceUnAutreJoint]

Jose was right
But that was only possible because we vastly overperformed thanks to De Gea and some luck.
We weren't playing that well.

Still our squad is not 2nd place material, It's 4th place material right now

 

[shamans]

Or this should be a copy/paste for all those that continue to insist that jose had anything to do with the money side of the business. Thats all on woodward. And no amount of but, but, but, he was toxic or whatever is going to change the fact that your issue is still an issue as the man responsible for that issue is still here.

Even so, Mourinho had money ad chose to spend it on these players. I really genuinely cannot understand how anyone can think Mourinho had good reason to complain about the squad. What did he do to improve it? Replace and aging Rooney with Sanchez?

 

[Reddy Rederson]

Jose was right
But that was only possible because we vastly overperformed thanks to De Gea and some luck.
We weren't playing that well.

Still our squad is not 2nd place material, It's 4th place material right now

Is it though? I think if we’re honest with our selves we know we aren’t even that. It’s no coincidence that we keep landing around 6th place give or take. Getting 2nd with these players was a miracle. Their hatred for Jose had them playing like title contenders, then that hate ran out and they have went right back to everything he was complaining about. So while they can be a top 4 team, they simply won’t. It’s a collective attitude thing.

 

[lawliet354]

I see your argument but most posters who think this way are missing the point of a team concept. It takes more than young players to make up a team. Especially the young players at our club now need senior players to show them what hard work is. You can slate willian and Perisic all day about their age but I bet you they will work harder than most of our young players. It is because they have that fight in their DNA. They don’t cower and fold like our young players. Successful teams all have a good mix of older and younger.

Of course a team need experienced player, I'm not saying otherwise. My point isn't about Mou shouldn't sign old players, it's about the quality of players he want to sign. Perisic and Willian is about as mediocre and inconsistent as it gets, look at how they play this season. They'll end up as Matic, only good for half a season, turn to shite and then we'll struggle to move them out of the club.

Alderweireld I most certainly agree will improve the team, but Willian and Perisic? Nah