If it's accepted then that Pogba needs good players around him to perform, is it also fair to say that he's not as good a player as people like Steven Gerrard? How come he could raise his team to bigger heights and drag them through games?
Pogba Future
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
I mean Ole has the same principles as Sir Alex. Would Sir Alex accepted Pogba flirting with Real Madrid? No. If he did Sir Alex would call him a virus and sell him. Which is what I expect ole to do if Pogba wants to go. No players is bigger than the club. The situation with Mourinho showed us that the players do have power but that won’t fly with Ole. Ole is one of ours and we will support him over any bloody player at this club.
A broken clock is right twice a day. Just because its the sun reporting doesn't mean it isn't true. There is too much smoke without fire with this. Great player on his day but its exactly that, on his day. Doesn't seem bothered half the time and will sulk until he gets his move.
Look at the amount of stories the sun have about pogba recently. They know everybody is panicking and banking on you all clicking their stories! Stop falling for it!
It’s amazing how privy they are to private conversations they’d have zero access too. They’re just trying to destabilise the club even further.
It’s amazing how privy they are to private conversations they’d have zero access too. They’re just trying to destabilise the club even further.
Then they won't get him. If you want the best payers, you need to be prepared to pay up and Real know this better than most.
Cristiano started flirting with Real in like 2006 he was not sold until 2009.
This is what I’ve been thinking since we’ve signed him. Very rarely does he drag us through games. Yes there’s the odd one vs City at the Etihad last season but the majority of the time he goes missing. Sometimes you need your big players to smash in that goal to spur the team on. Even Fabregas before he signed for Barca often won Arsenal games. That’s what top top midfielders do.
To be fair the Times are being consistent here, earlier this month they said that 7 players were tempted to leave for CL teams, including Pogba and De Gea.
I'd love for him to be sold. 3 decent games in every 10 is what he's offered for 3 years now. He's not even that good, easily one of the most overrated players I've ever seen play for us.
Get rid.
Get rid.
Pogba is a huge talent, but I have always felt he came back to create a story.
He knows he isn't about to create history with medals, anytime soon and I am pretty sure he is doing enough right now, in all departments to get a move. His agent, as we know, loves a payday.
So, thanks Paul for the good times. Good luck.
Sir Alex wasn't wrong about much, when it come to player mentality.
We need to be positive even when the players aren't. Think of the money and who fancies showing the world, that they can do better than Pogba.
He knows he isn't about to create history with medals, anytime soon and I am pretty sure he is doing enough right now, in all departments to get a move. His agent, as we know, loves a payday.
So, thanks Paul for the good times. Good luck.
Sir Alex wasn't wrong about much, when it come to player mentality.
We need to be positive even when the players aren't. Think of the money and who fancies showing the world, that they can do better than Pogba.
Ole thinks he’s staying
"I can assure you Paul very determined to succeed at Utd. When he is creating chances + scoring goals he has done fantastic for us. He is leader in dressing room. You cant guarantee but I think he will be"
"I can assure you Paul very determined to succeed at Utd. When he is creating chances + scoring goals he has done fantastic for us. He is leader in dressing room. You cant guarantee but I think he will be"
“He’s concerned about the direction of the club” yep we’ve been signing too many muppets like you.
It wouldn't surprise me if he left, he's basically being hounded out of the club.
I hope he does feel hounded out, we don't want or need players like him here if we are going to sort this mess out.
He managed to hide behind it was Jose and not me but the mask is falling once again.
The guy, with his agent, is a virus.
Your username is very fitting.
What proof do you have that he is a virus? apart from a certain J.Mourinho trying to turn everybody against him?
Ole loves him and clearly wants him to stay, and anybody with half a brain will realise he isn't the problem. Unless you believe the scumbag journalists.
Well identify whats the issue not just eliminate the star. Which i think is the main solution for Pogba. I get the long speech like I hated Micheal Carrick for years but when I came to the realisation he’s not Pirlo or Gerrard, he was a lot easier to accept. Get my drift.
We have to acknowledge Paul Pogba as I keep saying is not then problem. I don’t really like blaming the board either but it’s obvious that our lack of planning for how this squad needs to look why we are in this flipping mess. We’re not Ac Milan or Inter with lack of funds but we operate similar to them in which we buy players with no clear plan and players who lack actual quality.
If we want Pogba to work we need to provide him with the midfield and wingers and striker to see the best of him.
For starters, Dalot instead of Young and strip him of the captain's armband and then calamity Jones. Go back to playing a back 4 and a 4-3-3 instead of trying out different formation every game. When he came in, he said we will play OUR way and then we'll make a few tweaks based on the opposition. But we've gone back to Mourinho's way. Lingard has been out of form this whole season and he still gets the nod in a high profile City game. Why would you play Darmian whose barely played this entire season? We didn't have a single shot on target against City. Mctominay whose been one of our better players should have been starting this game. Our forwards have been absolute crap. I would have even started Sanchez up top instead of Lingard with Rashford for this game.
Yup, I don't believe a word of that especially the part of Pogba being a leader on the pitch.... The guy starts sulking when things don't go his way and basically throws his hands up in the air. He does not track back when we have lost possession and the opposition have looked to hit us on the break (aka City's second goal). Pogba is a good player but leadership is more than just pep talks and celebrating your goals. Pogba is not a leader. He needs to be in the presence of better players in order for him to flourish. The only time he's actually shown some form of leadership is the game against City last year when we won 3-2 and the Ethiad and even then he put in a performance because his scumbag of an agent and himself were exposed by Pep for the liars that they are and Pogba wanted to get the fans back on his side. I'm really hoping Pogba leaves United. I think the quicker we disassociate with Raiola and his clients, the better it is for this club.
Yes, the fans want him, although after this season I think any improvement would be well seen.
I think he also wants to be sold, based on the fact that not only the Spanish press writes about this.
I would say that the general idea is that he is very good but too inconsistent to be worth 150-200m€
He's good. Only if he's arsed.
If he moves to madrid suddenly he's not the biggest star, he'll start knuckling down and play like a proper team player instead of the "i can do tricks im good" pogba we seen so far. He does have a skill but more often he's just showing off his skill without any real purpose to the team.
He knows he can pull this stunt here because to be frank he's our mega star and we cant afford to piss him off. He never had this issue at juve.
How do you think zidane would plan to integrate him in the team and what do you think your potential line up could be after all the business is done this summer?
I imagine a more physical scheme with constant changes in the line of three. Personally I would like to try Hazard in the center, and more different combinations, Brahim, Isco,Rodrygo or Modric if he continues.
Ceballos and Llorente are leaving and Kroos could go out too, so even trusting Valverde I think they will sign a holding midfielder.4231:
Benzema/Jovic?
Hazard/Vini-----Pogba/Isco-----Asensio/?
? ------Casemiro/?
Interesting. It looks like there will be a midfield overhauling. But the attack still looks weak compared to some other teams.
Agree 100% Pogba is not a leader. In the dressing room maybe, but a good leader is an Adams, Terry, Vidic, Gerrard, Keane, Vieira type. The best way to lead a football team is by example and strolling back after you've just given the ball away for the 3rd time in 5 minutes is not a good example.
Leadership is dragging the whole team up when things have gone to shit. For one of the supposed best midfielders in the world I cannot remember too many games where we've had our backs against the wall and Pogba has dragged us back into it. Lets be honest, there have been plenty of opportunities for him to demonstrate this where we've been behind in games, or getting dominated.
He may be a great player when he can be bothered, but he'll never be a leader.
He is a world class player and a leader like he showed it with the french NT. I can understand his frustration. A move would be the best thing for his career.
Because he isn't as good as Gerrard, one was a world class player with a world class mentality and the other is a very talented player but can't lead a team on his own. Pogba will go to Madrid and will look good surrounded by Hazard and other big names but he will never be the "main man" in a team.
Let them go.
If they put in a decent shift here now and again they wouldn't need to move for it.
I wouldn't miss either player mentioned.
You wouldnt miss the most productive player we have and the goalkeeper who won player of the year multiple times with heroic saves?
A few matches with Romero and McT as starters will make you miss them.
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Jeez, are these media outlets finding anything to get clicks! How the hell would they know anything about Paul Pogba's Visa situation??
I'd like to know who we could replace Pogba with anyway? Guy is in the PFA team of the year for a reason. Watch him flourish at Real with better tactics and coaching. I'd bet he would be much more productive than Isco
I'd like to know who we could replace Pogba with anyway? Guy is in the PFA team of the year for a reason. Watch him flourish at Real with better tactics and coaching. I'd bet he would be much more productive than Isco
I want United to build their team around him next season.
When he turns up, he absolutely turns up.
I also want United to get rid of him if he doesn't sort his head out.
If he doesn't want to be here, then move him on.
I'm really torn.
If putting some better players around him, improves him, his consistency and his motivation, then we need to do it, build the team around him.
What we cannot do, is afford to have a player who turns up when he wants, we need some consistent performers.
When he turns up, he absolutely turns up.
I also want United to get rid of him if he doesn't sort his head out.
If he doesn't want to be here, then move him on.
I'm really torn.
If putting some better players around him, improves him, his consistency and his motivation, then we need to do it, build the team around him.
What we cannot do, is afford to have a player who turns up when he wants, we need some consistent performers.
Absolutely right, Bryan RObson also being another example. Dont know if I watched the wrong games, but I probably saw him for Juventus about 15 times when he was surrounded by great players in Pirlo and Vidal......and even then he was generally underwhelming and only exceptional maybe twice.
I wonder if we are talking about a player with wonderful ability but not application and results? His stats generally seem to be good but is has he really ever been truly world class performance wise?
Lets face it, been 3 years here nearly now.....he wouldnt last 6 months withhout the Bernebau turning on him if his consitency and general performance was like it has been here, the fans are totally different and far less supportive
But they're not exactly doing a lot to put the situation right, either. They are a (major) part of the problem, no one can deny that.
That’s a load of rubbish. Pogba and De Gea are nowhere near a problem
De Gea has just hit a rocky bit of form for the first time in his career, he will get over it.
Pogba is trying but our attack are so blunt and our fullbacks rarely ever get forward, it makes it difficult to create open chances.
we need both of them as they’re our best players.
When both of them can be arsed you mean?
That statement is pretty resounding, tells a lot to be honest.
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