He certainly is right but he took for granted and abused his authority as a manager. He is not SAF after all although he is one of best coaches in history. The reasons he was sacked are firstly hasn’t improved players abilities out of their potential, wrong ways to publicity, high profile and provoking the media, rivals and players unnecessarily.
Jose Mourinho - Was He Right?
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik @Rood and Imran @Annihilate Now! start with the good news by celebrating Manchester United Women's emphatic FA Cup win over Spurs at Wembley and the future of manager Marc Skinner.
Then it's the bad news and the ever worsening form of our Men with losses to Arsenal and Palace.
Finally the main debate - ETH Out now or keep him until the end of the season - if not longer. Are you Team Nik or Team Imran?
Yap, he probably thought he had some power inside the dressing room and at the club. Lamp Head Woodward thought the oposite. Clearly it was a good decision...
More right than he himself probably thought.
He was right that our squad is full of pampered gutless sacks of shit. Nobody denied that. Doesn't mean he was any less shite this season though.
I'll give him some credit, the 1st season was poor, but he won us a European trophy, so he did ok there. 2nd season he performed a minor miracle getting 2nd place with this squad, fair play.
He bought badly, used outdated negative tactics, and is one of the worst man managers we've ever had.
I'll give him some credit, the 1st season was poor, but he won us a European trophy, so he did ok there. 2nd season he performed a minor miracle getting 2nd place with this squad, fair play.
He bought badly, used outdated negative tactics, and is one of the worst man managers we've ever had.
He was 100% right but he was also a hot head so when he saw how garbage our team played, he couldn’t help but shout about it in the press because he doesn’t like to look bad. He’s a winner and winners tend to throw a paddy when things go very wrong, especially when there’s nothing he can do when the players walk on the pitch. It must be torture.
Saying that, he made plenty of bad signings.
Saying that, he made plenty of bad signings.
I was firmly in the Jose out camp, partly because of the crap performances and partly in how he handled himself in the press, but i am starting to think he had a point.
Now i am not saying Ole is some great managerial genius either, but if we sacked him and handed the job to Poch or someone else with these players i doubt things would become much better.
Now i am not saying Ole is some great managerial genius either, but if we sacked him and handed the job to Poch or someone else with these players i doubt things would become much better.
He was and, much more surprisingly, so was Ince.
He always had a point. The players arent good enough obviously. The problem and why he had to go though was because he played a big part in the building of this squad and there was no faith that he would improve in that department.
Yeah because as the manager of the club for three years he was not in any position to fix any of the problems.
He won two trophies. Then reached a cup final and finished 2nd. He was then not backed.
Woodward is a total clown.
Maybe we should have let him fix them after he finished 2nd. Apparently Ole is gonna fix it because he used to play for us.
We were being told he was wrong from Jan to March. Now were being told he was right. Lets just keep changing narratives to suit our opinions.
Bought Lukaku, Matic, Sanchez, Fred
and wanted Perisic and Willian
They're all crap
Then went on a tirade before the season started instead of motivating players he completely stunk the place
Because that was a bad haul for what we pumped into the wages and transfers. We should have been putting in a half decent title charge, but we were nowhere close to City even though we came 2nd. Thats thanks to players that were signed under him, with his poor tactics and his favourite players playing terribly.
Our current situation is still Mourinho's mess that Ole is trying to do better with.
And he has
Lukaku and Matic are two players who helped us go from 6th to 2nd. Too bad our clown fanbase thought this team was better than that.
He was absolutely right. Should've resigned after not being backed instead of half-assing it this season, but then he'd have been giving up millions in severance.
He was even right when he said our initial form under Ole isn't permanent.
Fecking hell.
It's scary. I don't think he himself thought he'll be proven right that quickly. Maybe he was telling himself it'll be proven right next season or so, not few moths later.
How shambolic our squad is that they couldn't even keep the honeymoon period going for one half of a season ?
Fecking hell.
It's scary. I don't think he himself thought he'll be proven right that quickly. Maybe he was telling himself it'll be proven right next season or so, not few moths later.
How shambolic our squad is that they couldn't even keep the honeymoon period going for one half of a season ?
Thanks to poor recruitment and planning before Jose was here. City were far ahead of us but people didn’t want to accept that. We went a whole season with Valencia and Young at fullback. My fecking club.
Our 2nd place position was weird to me. It never felt like a true 2nd place since we were miles behind City anyway and the football played was disgusting anyway.
And they are big reason why we have gone from 2nd back to 6th.
Yeah playing ultra defensive football. Where are they now? Matic is past it's peak while Lukaku is such a mess of a player
They finished ahead of us by goal difference the season before Mourinho.
Our home record was outstanding. Go and look at the actual players we used in those games and tell me we didn’t over achieve. We had problems away from home but we had a personnel problem which could only be fixed with signings.
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I agree he was right. If only he had the opportunity of 10 new players to rectify our fortunes.
Ahh yes that old arguement. They had won titles and had slowed up when it became apparent Pellegrini was not going to be the manager anymore. They had planned for Pep for a while.
They had a lame duck manager. They had a much better squad than we did and spent more to improve along with spending years planning for Guardiola’s arrival. Not quite comparable.
Mourinho was right about some of the players, but he let Ed Woodward run rings around him and so deserves to have been 'let go'.
United need a manager who can stand up to Ed and unfortunately I doubt it will be Ole, but lets see!
United need a manager who can stand up to Ed and unfortunately I doubt it will be Ole, but lets see!
Ok I'll swallow my pride and apologize
Sorry, Jose for doubting you. Finishing 2nd with this squad was your greatest achievement
Sorry, Jose for doubting you. Finishing 2nd with this squad was your greatest achievement
The reason is we didn’t recruit properly in the summer and Jose became increasingly confrontational.
I have been saying this for so long. I was gonna say I cant believe we are going to get even worse, but I actually can.
why are we still bothered whether he was right or not?
He was shit. end of.
He was shit. end of.
Jose wasn’t going to roll over for that incompetent fool Woodward. Jose could have easily resigned but he took the 20 million instead.
Correct
Yeah they did such a good job preparing for his arrival Pep walked into a team with no FBs, no ball playing CBs and no midfield.
No. WE are shit. Woodward is shit. The board is shit. Recruitment is shit. Scouting is shit. Structure is shit. WE are shit.
No, he is shit. Part of the problem, not the solution
But no Mourinho is never shit right?
He lost the dressing room at Real and Chelsea - not his fault right.
He stunk up the place here instead of at least fecking trying to motivate the players. And don't get me started with him trying to sabotage our season with the weird lineups - McTominay playing as a CB like wtf
Please get your head out of Mourinho and Lukaku's asses
Probably even the most moral of men would have wavered between doing the 'right' thing and sticking it to Woodward et al. who were hanging him out to dry and grinning while they did it, and didn't even seem to be aware they were incompetent.
No manager lasts 3 years at Chelsea, Real or post Fergie Manchester United. I wonder why. Goodbye.
Had three summers to get better FBs only bought a very young Dalot. Ashley Young was going to be the first choice LB this season only Young needing a rest after the World Cup and Shaw's good form to start the season is the only reason why he wasn't.
2 different things can't be true at the same time for some people,probably can't walk and chew gum at once either
Their entire attack and midfield is still nearly the same as when he took over. Aguero, Sterling, Fernandinho, D.Silva, KDB. He only about needed added B. Silva and Sane to the mix to make 2 positions completely full.
Only needed to get backrow.
United on the other hand had absolutely nothing team on all fronts. Crap defense that needed GK and midfield retaining possession to save, a midfield having the likes of Bastian, Rooney and Morgan in, an attack with 2 inconsistent youngsters as its best players with Mata and Lingard rotation on the right wing.
There's really no comparison.
This City team also won the league and league cup double in Pelligrini first season, and won another cup with semi final CL in his third season. They also finished second in his second season. Meanwhile we were finishing 7th, 4th and 5th etc.
The only reason for their collapse in the league is the players gave up after Pep announcement early and stopped caring for Pelligrini.
I don't know how can anyone watched this period and think we were levels. Just basing the opinion on looking at league table means one either didn't watch this season or forgot it because it how crap it was.